Do you think that the story of Adam and Eve literally happened?

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. I’ve taken undergrad courses you should ask komatiite or ophiolite as iirc they ARE geologists. But hey the mid ATLANTIC ridge is just a plate boundary where the plates are slowly being pushed apart . Slowly enough that Several magnetic reversals are preserved in the rock that solidified around the opening View attachment 277928

That's a nice, well at one point that became very active and cause a catastrophic event called NOAH's FLOOD. Again why are you Christian if you don't believe the bible?

Genesis 7:11 "...were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."

NIV "...all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened."
 
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LOL this is your proof? It's the same proof I have with the splitting of the continents WHEN THE FOUNTAINS OF THE GREAT DEEP BURST OPEN. Why do you think the mid-atlantic ridge also matches it. You believe SLOWLY and I believe RAPIDLY. You believe secular sources only and scientism/evolution. I believe in the bible. Why are you Christian again? To laugh at the bible?
i tell you why slowly . When the Boxing Day earthquake and tsunami happened about 10 years ago the movement of the crust over that small amount was enough to change the earths rotation rate . What you described is fast moving plates . Without putting the numbers on it that would probably rip the earth apart . So basically you’ve got impossible scenarios that would kill all of the life ( including Noah ) and would leave a boiling hot planet in its wake and might rip the planet apart . Yeah I’ll keep my scientific explanations . Unless you somehow come up with a PLAUSIBLE explanation for your ideas
 
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i tell you why slowly . When the Boxing Day earthquake and tsunami happened about 10 years ago the movement of the crust over that small amount was enough to change the earths rotation rate . What you described is fast moving plates . Without putting the numbers on it that would probably rip the earth apart . So basically you’ve got impossible scenarios that would kill all of the life ( including Noah ) and would leave a boiling hot planet in its wake and might rip the planet apart . Yeah I’ll keep my scientific explanations . Unless you somehow come up with a PLAUSIBLE explanation for your ideas

Easily, its called a miracle.

Both creation and the flood were miraculous events. Supernatural events don't follow any law or logic or science.
The same way that a donkey talked, the blind can see and a man raises to life. There is no scientific explanation, which is what makes them a miracle.
 
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Easily, its called a miracle.

Both creation and the flood were miraculous events. Supernatural events don't follow any law or logic or science.
The same way that a donkey talked, the blind can see and a man raises to life. There is no scientific explanation, which is what makes them a miracle.
dearest coffee . I’m a female version of Joe Friday when it comes to NATURAL phenomena . “ Just the facts ma’am “.
 
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i tell you why slowly . When the Boxing Day earthquake and tsunami happened about 10 years ago the movement of the crust over that small amount was enough to change the earths rotation rate . What you described is fast moving plates . Without putting the numbers on it that would probably rip the earth apart . So basically you’ve got impossible scenarios that would kill all of the life ( including Noah ) and would leave a boiling hot planet in its wake and might rip the planet apart . Yeah I’ll keep my scientific explanations . Unless you somehow come up with a PLAUSIBLE explanation for your ideas

Provide you're proof of boiling hot planet when it's water that comes out. It might be really hot at some places but doesn't mean he has to be boiling and kill Noah and everything. It would "probably" rip the earth. Assumption like scientists do when they say SLOWLY, just because it's moving slowly now. The earth's rotation barely changed, they only say this to make a big story out of nothing really. (1.8 microseconds (a microsecond is one millionth of a second).)

How do you know that many fountains busted open couldn't have evened out the rotation or even change it as well, is it possible that, it's the reason why the earth is tilted now 23 degrees and we have more extreme seasons? What about partly a miracle from God, isn't the bursting of the fountains of the deep a miracle enough?

Yes it is PLAUSIBLE, just like what you are saying with your slow process, but I don't see the evidence that a slow process will create Mt. Everest type mountains. The earth is 70% water, yet you assume this was also slowly done with rain over time?
 
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I am not religious. I have a relationship with the REAL Jesus Christ. But you friend, should take a step away from the computer and go do something productive. You are not qualified to tell anyone about changing their religion. I think you sir, should use your own advice, and repent, and accept Jesus, the Real Jesus.

Explain to me the mid-atlantic ridge. Apparently you know it all.

I do not know it all, nor do I even know what you are talking about. I am commenting based on your very rude posts. This is not how we are supposed to represent Christ.
 
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So we've established that you are unwilling, for whatever reason (as if we don't know) to explain how an earthquake could produce a double turned angular unconformity with trace fossils on vertical bedding separated by fault gouge.

On the scientific explanation:

Everything we suggest as geologists, about the earth being old, is grounded in...really just simple logic.

For example, if animal tracks are found in a location of mudstone, it tells us that at some point in time, time passed in which animals lived and walked on a location of mud.

The below lines reflect horizontal land with tracks.

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Then, for the complete structure to form, these layers must have been turned horizontally for the later shawangunk to be deposited overtop.

This of course demands time. Time for sediment to be deposited, time for animals to walk through, then more time for lithification to shale and mudstone and further more time for vertical orienting uplift.

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Now, the next step is for the deposition of horizontal sands on top of the vertical shales (the shawangunk). These sands have burrows in them, therefore demonstrating additional expanse of time for animals to live and to burrow, and further more time for lithification of sandstone.

So now we have this:

===================== -shawangunk/silurian
///////////////////////////////////// -martinsburg/ordovician

In its current state, the angular unconformity actually rests in the above "T" position, however this T is on its side with the shawangunk vertically up and down with it's burrows and the Martinsburg back at horizontal in which it originally was formed. Like this:

========(ORDOVICIAN)///////////(SILURIAN)

So collectively, the logical explanation is as follows:

1. Deposition of ordovician sediment
2. Animals walked through ordovician muds
3. The mud hardened
4. The hardened mudstone was turned on its side by orogenesis
5. strata eroded flat to grade
6. The sandy shawangunk was deposited on top
7. Animals burrowed and lived in the sand
8. The sandstone hardened
9. The hardened sandstone and mudstone together were turned sideways again by orogenesis.

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The fault gouge between formations is a product of dense rock grinding against one another during orogenesis.

But what also should be noted is that this formation is post dated by much of the late Paleozoic strata, mesozoic and cenozoic strata as well. Which means that this rock was present long before any rocks of the mid oceanic ridge, long before many creationists seem to believe the flood even occurred

Other notes:

Simple logic tells us that these processes take time to occur. Continents move at the rate in which our fingernails grow. Rocks solidify under certain temperatures and pressures as well.

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Granulite for example, is a rock that forms under high temperatures. So when we see these rocks in the environment, it tells us about nature of their origins.

This is why there is no such thing on earth as a phaneritic intrusive feature (if you dont understand, google it). Rocks form under particular conditions that are observable in todays world.

And so we can derive an old earth, really just by looking at the rocks and seeing the shape of them and what theyve gone through.

Hence this video


The location described in the video presents both compressional and extensional faulting side by side with hardened volcanic sils and dikes protruding at various depths.

These individual occurances are all things that take time. Time for strata to lithify, time for extension to occur, time for more deposition, time for volcanism, time for more cooling of magma, time for more deposition, time for compressional faulting, time for more deposition and volcanism, time for more cooling of magma and lithification, and so on... And time for dinosaurs and life to walk around and build nests and lay eggs and dig burrows and to do normal life things in each and every period of time. Throw in multiple layers of glacial till indicating multiple ice ages in the mesozoic and you have a good number of independently occuring events that each take time to unfold.

But lets say we smashed all of this down into say...what a 1 year long giant global flood? How could it all occur in a single year? How could it even occur in 100 or 1000? Logically, it just wouldnt make any sense.
 
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dearest coffee . I’m a female version of Joe Friday when it comes to NATURAL phenomena . “ Just the facts ma’am “.

So why believe Jesus was crucified, died was buried and rose back to life?

How was this a harder task for God than making a man out of clay, breathing into his nostrils and him coming to life?
 
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The point of the above post being that no flood could ever make a comparable formation. Not logically, not scientifically, not by any known physics or chemistry. No flood or earthquake has ever made anything even remotely close.
 
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The point of the above post being that no flood could ever make a comparable formation. Not logically, not scientifically, not by any known physics or chemistry. No flood or earthquake has ever made anything even remotely close.

So why don't you remove Genesis from the bible? It's only a fairytale story anyways, we have enough novels in the world.
 
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