Do you believe the KJV is the one and only perfect and divine Word of God?


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"Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold,
I will rain bread from heaven for you;..."
(Exodus 16:4).

Exodus 16 is the 66th chapter in the Old Testament.

The bread spoken of here is not only metaphorically and prophetically speaking ahead of Jesus Christ (the Living Word) being the bread of life in John 6:33-35, but it's also referring to the "Communicated Word," as well.

"And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live."
(Deuteronomy 8:3).

In Luke 22:19, we read this:

"And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. " (Luke 22:19) (Also see Luke 22:1, and Luke 22:7).

Luke 22 is the 66th chapter of the New Testament.

So the 66th chapter in the Old Testament talks about the bread of life (Jesus) and our daily bread (the word) (Note: There are 66 books in the Bible).

Okay. So the 66th chapter in the New Testament talks about Jesus and they are eating bread (Which is symbolic of eating the Living Word). In Luke 22:19, Jesus says, " This is my body which is given for you" (Living Word); And Matthew 4:4 says, "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God." (Communicated Word).
 
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Also, the 1600's English does continue on to this day. It is alive and well within the hearts of believers who hold and preach from the King James Bible.

Then by your own admission it's not the world's language.
 
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The world language today is Modern English.
This is true. But 1600's English is not completely foreign from Modern English.
It's still English. Many can read and understand 1600's English without the aid of a dictionary in some cases. In other cases, they will need an English dictionary or a “Defined King James Bible.” But with the Biblical Hebrew, and Biblical Greek, it is entirely faith based on what those religious men have said in their scholarily dictionary. No person alive today can truly know Biblical Hebrew, and Biblical Greek with 100% certainty because they did not grow up in these cultures to truly know what they say beyond a shadow of a doubt.

For if a person (who speaks only Modern English) today traveled back in time to England in the 1600's, they could understand each other. This is not the case if they traveled back in Paul's time or the time of Moses. This is because 1600's English and Modern English are relatively close to each other enough so as to be understable in many cases. 1600's English and Modern English are still both English.
 
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Again, if Jesus is perfect and lives in the hearts of believers today, and Jesus does not just exist in the past that is gone, then it makes sense that there is a perfect Word (a communicated Word) that we can have in our possession today that we can understand with certainty.
 
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But 1600's English is not completely foreign from Modern English.
It's still English.

Not completely foreign, but not the vernacular of today. When people from other countries are being taught English, they're not learning 1600s English. They are learning the English of today.

The English of today is the world's language. You have also said that God moves with the times and he has, with modern translations because the KJV is not moving with the times.

When we get to heaven, I'll look you up (think your original username was Jason something) and you and I will go ask the big guy together.
 
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I love God's Word (the KJV).
Others may doubt, but that is on them.

Peace and blessings be unto you all.

There's no doubting that the KJV is but one of many valid English translations of God's word.
 
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Only one Bible can be the Word of God.

No, the Bible is the word of God - on Bible, a number of translations.

God's Word does not have errors within it.

Well that rules the KJV out then.

The Bible is the true, inspired, inerrant word of God. The Gospel, and truth about God the Trinity, are clearly told in every translation.
Shame you can't see that.
 
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If Biblical Hebrew and Biblical Greek was spoken or written in a class of students (who know only English), they will have to rely 100% on what the teacher says for what those words say. But if they were studying 1600's English, they could understand the language in many cases, and they can confirm the words in English dictioonaries and see a connection of how that word progressed today in some cases. They can understand without a religious guy's dictionary that is biased to his beliefs. While secular dictionaries can be influenced in certain instances, this is not always the case like with Hebrew and Greek dictionaries. You would not even know if they redefined a word or not. With the English, you can look at the context in English to even help define a word.

Problem is that I have seen more times than I care to count Modern Translation Bibles redefining many words in my King James Bible for the worse and not for the better. They do this even if it ignores the context. I seen it time, and time again. Especially with the footnotes on the KJVER Translation Bible I recently purchased.
 
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This is because 1600's English and Modern English are relatively close to each other enough so as to be understable in many cases.

That's why you have to use "corrupt" Bibles to help you understand the KJV then?
 
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Okay. Moving on.
You are all ganged up here to speak against what I believe is the faith
(Note: My faith is entirely in the KJV).
For faith comes by hearing and hearing the Word of God.
I may come back later and redefend the truth of God's Word.

Peace, and blessings to you all in the name of Jesus Christ.
 
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Problem is that I have seen more times than I care to count Modern Translation Bibles redefining many words in my King James Bible for the worse and not for the better.

Problem is that we have written, more times than we care to count, that the KJV is not the original and not the ultimate authority; the Hebrew/Greek Scriptures are. There are words in the KJV that were not in any original manuscript.
But you won't accept this either.
 
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Okay. Moving on.
You are all ganged up here to speak against what I believe is the faith

You start a thread with a poll to find out what we think, the vast majority choose the 'no' option, and we're "all ganged up against you"?
You obviously came with an already set in stone idea, and nothing is going to change that.
 
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Okay. Moving on.
You are all ganged up here to speak against what I believe is the faith
(Note: My faith is entirely in the KJV).
Sounds fleshy to have a faith in a material thing.

Our faith is in invisible and perfect God, neither in the KJV nor in the NIV nor in the Luther Bibel etc. Bible is only a helpful tool for our journey to/with God.
 
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Right now I am gonna read through my “Defined King James Bible” that I just got in from Amazon.

For upcoming review purposes:

I posted some sample images:

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Folks can seek to destroy my faith (and the faith of others) in the KJV.
But I will die defending God's Word.
Anyways, I am gonna feed myself with the Word today.
Moving on.
I would ask you all kindly to please stop in posting within this thread here.
I may close this thread if folks persist to endlessly post in my thread so as to push their Modern Translation or OAO Agenda. I don't want it. You can keep your beliefs.
My faith is in God according to the King James Bible alone.

Thank you.

And may God bless you all today (even if we disagree strongly on what God's Word says).
 
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But I will die defending God's Word.
You would die defending the precise wording of some Anglican translators based on the late Erasmus text, corrected and reprinted by Scrivener.
My faith is in God according to the King James Bible alone.
Which is not the apostolic faith. The KJV is a medieval construct non existent before.
 
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Right now I am gonna read through my “Defined King James Bible” that I just got in from Amazon. Note: All definitions are taken from English dictionaries, and not from a religious influenced dictionary on dead languages.

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Folks can seek to destroy my faith (and the faith of others) in the KJV.
But I will die defending God's Word.
Anyways, I am gonna feed myself with the Word today.
Moving on.
I would ask you all kindly to please stop in posting within this thread here.
I may close this thread if folks persist to endlessly post in my thread so as to push their Modern Translation or OAO Agenda. I don't want it. You can keep your beliefs.
My faith is in God according to the King James Bible alone.

Thank you.

And may God bless you all today (even if we disagree strongly on what God's Word says).

You posted a poll and then asked for thoughts. You cannot change your mind now because the majority realize that your position is wrong.

If you don't want disagreement, don't post looking for thoughts.
 
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My thread. My rules. I can change the title of the thread so as not for folks to post their Modern Translation or OAO agenda here (if need be). I hope I don't have to do that.
But if push comes to shove, I will do so.
 
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My thread. My rules. I can change the title of the thread so as not for folks to post their Modern Translation or OAO agenda here (if need be). I hope I don't have to do that.
But if push comes to shove, I will do so.
Sounds sectarian.
 
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My thread. My rules. I can change the title of the thread so as not for folks to post their Modern Translation or OAO agenda here (if need be). I hope I don't have to do that.
But if push comes to shove, I will do so.

So, you don't like the answers you're getting and now you want to change the title so that you won't get challenged.

Yep, that's what I call defeated!
 
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My 30 points in defense of the King James Bible stand just fine on their own.
I have never seen a Modern Translation Proponent or an OAO Proponent come up with even one point in Scripture to defend their position or view.

So the KJV score = 30, and OAO camp score = 0.
Again, please do not respond.
Please stop posting in this thread if you are you are trying to push an Anti-KJV-Only type belief or agenda. I am not interested anymore at this time in discussing with folks who do not believe the King James Bible is the perfect Word of God.
 
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