The Olivet Discourse

Douggg · May 2, 2020

keras said:
All the prophets 'fundamentally fortify the premise' of a forthcoming Day that will reset our civilization, of a magnitude similar to Noah's Flood.
I could post a list of over 100 unfulfilled prophesies confirming this, but if people don't want to know or are incapable of understanding, then there's no point.

Do you really think that Jesus meant His Return in Matthew 24:37-41? Note: 2 Peter 3:1-7.

Keras, you are presenting your rationale for your view that a solar flare will reshape the world before the seven years. You are citing bible passages, but the interpretation and application is something that you are piecing together as a scenario you have come up with to precede the 7 year 70th week.

But Jesus did not present such a solar flair event reshaping the world before the 7 years nor before the beginning of the great tribulation.

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Where is your end times timeline chart, btw, which includes the scenario you have come up with, and the events of the seven years ? Put it all together in visual form for people to evaluate.

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You come into a forum, trying to sell your view, but you have no product on the show room floor. You are like a salesman who talks all about the leather seating, the fit and finish, the tinted windows, and aerodynamic shape - but has no pictures nor model of his car on the show room floor. And he should expect people to buy into his verbalization?

I have a chart of the 7 year 70 week. And another chart of the anytime rapture. You are not presenting a product for people to see.

Inkfingers · May 2, 2020

keras said:
Which Israel do you mean?
The fake one currently occupying a small part of the holy Land, or the real Israel of God, His faithful Christian people?

I am speaking of the State of Israel, which is an attempt to rebuild Israel without a Temple.

How do you see this fitting into End Times scripture?

Douggg · May 2, 2020

Inkfingers said:
I am speaking of the State of Israel, which is an attempt to rebuild Israel without a Temple.

How do you see this fitting into End Times scripture?

Well, from what I know of Keras's view, he thinks a solar flare event with wipe out most of the population of the middle east, including the Jews there. And in the vacancy all of the Christians of the world will back fill into the space, moving to what is now Israel, and the new nation (formerly called Israel) will be called Beulah.

And once that happens, Christians will rebuild the temple, that eventually the Antichrist will desecrate after he as leader of a one world government makes a peace covenant with Beulah for 7 years.

tranquil · May 2, 2020

keras said:
Jesus said: Take care to not be deceived......
This statement shows that being deceived IS possible for Christians. Amply proved by how most Christians; have very differing understandings of the Prophetic Word. Matthew 24:24
What to do? For over 10 years now, I have had a website up with many articles pointing out the prophesies; Gods plans for the end of this age, culminating in the Return of Jesus.
I post on the Christian Forums, refuting errors and wild fables, and showing how the Prophets describe a coherent and logical sequence of things that can and will happen.
That I have had very little success doesn't really worry me, it’s just somewhat frustrating! The actual prophets had a far harder time of it than I have.

We can all see how the world situation is now unsustainable. We have had wars, plagues and natural disasters. But as Jesus said, in Matthew 24:7-8; they are just the birth pangs of the new age. There has to come some kind of massive change before Jesus Returns to reign as King, for the final 1000 years of mankind’s history.
But what the Bible Prophets, including Jesus in Matthew 24:37-44, do tell us, is an event of similar magnitude to Noah's Flood; a total reset of our civilization.

What Jesus said in Matthew 24:27-30 is of the greatest interest to us now.
1/ He will come like a lightening flash, seen by all. But not yet by His presence. Psalms 11:4-6, Habakkuk 3:4
2/ There will be many killed. Jeremiah 25:33.
3/ The vultures will gather.
4/ AFTER that time, there will be other cosmic signs and He will Return in power and great glory.

1/ The great and terrible Day of the Lords fiery wrath, is a worldwide disaster prophesied in over 100 scriptures. Jesus' next action on earth as: Isaiah 61:2b, 2 Peter 3:7, Rev 6:12
2/ Millions will die from this disaster, especially in the Middle East. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18
3/ The 'vultures' refers to the rich influencer's of the world, who know what is about to happen and have prepared shelters. They will take control and form a One World Government, led by them. Which we Christians will not be a part of; Isaiah 62:1-5, Romans 9:24-26
4/ The time between the Sixth Seal, a literal Day of disaster, Joel 2:30-31, Isaiah 63:1-6, and the glorious Return of Jesus, is about 20 years.

As Revelation 8:1; the Seventh Seal says; a half hour in heaven... That equals about 20 years of earth time, using the formula of 1 day in heaven equal to 1000 years of earth time.

Jesus told 2 parables; Matthew 25:1-30
The ten virgins; We must be prepared and be aware of what must happen, as the Day He changes the world, will come unexpectedly. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-11
The three servants entrusted with the Masters valuables. Literally our 'talents'. We must do whatever is in our power to further the Kingdom.

Then, when He Returns, He will bring our rewards with Him, Matthew 16:27, Matthew 24:45-46, and those who have failed to act righteously and to promote the truths of scripture, may suffer some loss. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15..... he will escape with his life, after passing thru the fire.
Our test by fire. 1 Peter 4:12

About the 7th Seal lasting for 20 years - it just can't/ won't work out that way.

The 6th Seal is about the fake end of the world. The disaster you are describing (of which the sun is one facet) is what brings the antichrist to power, the disaster 'looks like the end of the world'. The antichrist is not going to last for 20 years.

In the deceived point of view, when the antichrist is 'revealed' (which starts the 6th Seal's Day of the Lord's wrath), the antichrist is posing as Christ returning (and maybe the antichrist has an antichrist and abomination that he gets to destroy). 45 days later, this false Christ will have taken over (imitating the 1290 to 1335th day).

The 'days of Noah' are a solar year (17 Iyyar to 27 Iyyar; 355 Hebrew calendar days + 10 days) which is part of the 'year of recompense'
Isaiah 34:8

For the LORD has a day of vengeance, a year of recompense for the cause of Zion.

At the end of that year, the Christ figure will make the covenant that triggers the 2 witnesses.

this is the covenant with Death, which is an imitation of the covenant of peace that removes the 'wild beasts'
Ezekiel 37:26

I will make a covenant of peace with them. It shall be an everlasting covenant with them. And I will set them in their land and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in their midst forevermore.

The 'setting the sanctuary' is even a reference point for Revelation 11:1-4

Inkfingers · May 2, 2020

Douggg said:
Well, from what I know of Keras's view, he thinks a solar flare event with wipe out most of the population of the middle east, including the Jews there. And in the vacancy all of the Christians of the world will back fill into the space, moving to what is now Israel, and the new nation (formerly called Israel) will be called Beulah.

And once that happens, Christians will rebuild the temple, that eventually the Antichrist will desecrate after he as leader of a one world government makes a peace covenant with Beulah for 7 years.

So does he see the modern (temple-less) State of Israel mentioned in the Bible at all?

Douggg · May 2, 2020

Inkfingers said:
So does he see the modern (temple-less) State of Israel mentioned in the Bible at all?

As I understand Keras's view, yes but unapproved by God.

keras · May 2, 2020

Douggg said:
But Jesus did not present such a solar flair event reshaping the world before the 7 years nor before the beginning of the great tribulation.

Yes He did.
Matthew 24:27 mentions it , also Matthew 3:12. Alluded to in Luke 12:49 and of course how He stopped reading Isaiah 61:1-2, just before to prophesies the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath. Which we know will be by fire; Joel 2:30, Isaiah 66:15, 2 Peter 3:7, +

Inkfingers said:
I am speaking of the State of Israel, which is an attempt to rebuild Israel without a Temple.

How do you see this fitting into End Times scripture?

The Jewish State of Israel is the fig tree blossoming, Matthew 24:32
They are there in apostasy and unbelief; soon to be judged and punished. Isaiah 22:1-14, Jeremiah 12:14
The massive change that the Sixth Seal event will bring to the world, esp the Middle East, will allow for all the faithful people of God to migrate to all of the holy Land, as many prophesies say. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 62:1-7, Romans 9:24-26
A new Temple will be built by them: Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9 and Ezekiel 40 to 48 describes al of this period, leading up to the Return of Jesus.

tranquil said:
About the 7th Seal lasting for 20 years - it just can't/ won't work out that way.

Why not? Actually I see it as not much more than 15 years.

It is a logical and simple explanation for the Seventh Seal, that does fit the establishment of a One World Govt, the rise of the Anti-Christ, the people of Beulah settled and defended from the Gog/Magog attack, then the final seven years, as Daniel 9:27, Rev 12 & 13 says.

tranquil said:
The 6th Seal is about the fake end of the world. The disaster you are describing (of which the sun is one facet) is what brings the antichrist to power, the disaster 'looks like the end of the world'.

I agree with this. The rest of your post, I don't, its a lot of supposition and guesswork.

Douggg said:
As I understand Keras's view, yes but unapproved by God.

Wrong.
The new Temple will have the Shekinah glory of God in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4 His faithful people - all the Christians; will make offerings to God in it. Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 20:40-41

Lost4words · May 2, 2020

keras said:
Yes He did.
Matthew 24:27 mentions it , also Matthew 3:12. Alluded to in Luke 12:49 and of course how He stopped reading Isaiah 61:1-2, just before to prophesies the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath. Which we know will be by fire; Joel 2:30, Isaiah 66:15, 2 Peter 3:7, +

The Jewish State of Israel is the fig tree blossoming, Matthew 24:32
They are there in apostasy and unbelief; soon to be judged and punished. Isaiah 22:1-14, Jeremiah 12:14
The massive change that the Sixth Seal event will bring to the world, esp the Middle East, will allow for all the faithful people of God to migrate to all of the holy Land, as many prophesies say. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 62:1-7, Romans 9:24-26
A new Temple will be built by them: Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9 and Ezekiel 40 to 48 describes al of this period, leading up to the Return of Jesus.

Why not? Actually I see it as not much more than 15 years.

It is a logical and simple explanation for the Seventh Seal, that does fit the establishment of a One World Govt, the rise of the Anti-Christ, the people of Beulah settled and defended from the Gog/Magog attack, then the final seven years, as Daniel 9:27, Rev 12 & 13 says.

I agree with this. The rest of your post, I don't, its a lot of supposition and guesswork.

Wrong.
The new Temple will have the Shekinah glory of God in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4 His faithful people - all the Christians; will make offerings to God in it. Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 20:40-41

Sorry but i dont see it the way you do. I dont see 'solar flare' etc.

Seems to me that you have dug yourself into your own little world of make believe.

As i said, i believe in the partial preterist point of view.

Douggg · May 2, 2020

keras said:
Wrong.
The new Temple will have the Shekinah glory of God in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4 His faithful people - all the Christians; will make offerings to God in it. Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 20:40-41

Here was the question by Inkfingers - So does he see the modern (temple-less) State of Israel mentioned in the Bible at all?

The question was not regarding the temple but the the State of Israel.

keras · May 2, 2020

Douggg said:
Here was the question by Inkfingers - So does he see the modern (temple-less) State of Israel mentioned in the Bible at all?

The question was not regarding the temple but the the State of Israel.

Which I answered in #27.
Obviously the Jewish State of Israel exists. It represents the false Israel and is actually a Satanic construct that that 'rapture to heaven' believers have used so they can go to heaven, while the apostate Jews get their comeuppance.

Lost4words said:
Sorry but i dont see it the way you do. I dont see 'solar flare' etc.

Explain then Isaiah 30:26a ? What is described there?
What is it that could cause all the vividly prophesied effects of the yet to happen Day of the Lords wrath?

Douggg · May 2, 2020

keras said:
Which I answered in #27.
Obviously the Jewish State of Israel exists. It represents the false Israel and is actually a Satanic construct that that 'rapture to heaven' believers have used so they can go to heaven, while the apostate Jews get their comeuppance.

You said I was wrong in voicing your view.

I wrote concerning Israel over there right now in the bible, that your view (as I understand it) is....

"As I understand Keras's view, yes but unapproved by God."

Contrary to your opinion, Israel over there right now fulfilled a nation born in a single day - 15 May 1948. Isaiah 66:7-8. That verse also indicates that once a nation again, the Jews will experience the hardships of the great tribulation will become Christians and be delivered, from sin and her oppressors.

Which the travailing in pain after the man-child Israel was delivered Jesus, His first coming.

Lost4words · May 2, 2020

keras said:
Which I answered in #27.
Obviously the Jewish State of Israel exists. It represents the false Israel and is actually a Satanic construct that that 'rapture to heaven' believers have used so they can go to heaven, while the apostate Jews get their comeuppance.

Explain then Isaiah 30:26a ? What is described there?
What is it that could cause all the vividly prophesied effects of the yet to happen Day of the Lords wrath?

I still dont see it as a Solar Flare.

keras · May 2, 2020

Douggg said:
Contrary to your opinion, Israel over there right now fulfilled a nation born in a single day - 15 May 1948. Isaiah 66:7-8. That verse also indicates that once a nation again, the Jews will experience the hardships of the great tribulation will become Christians and be delivered, from sin and her oppressors.

That this belief is wrong, is quite apparent to anyone who reads all of that prophecy. Isaiah 66:7-14
Or who knows anything about the 50 years it took to establish the Jewish State of Israel.

It will apply to the new nation of Beulah, as prophesied in Isaiah 62:1-5

Lost4words said:
I still dont see it as a Solar Flare.

A Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion on the suns surface, is the only thing that can and will literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about the forthcoming Day of the Lords wrath.
You can't deny the over 100 Bible prophesies that tell us about that Day. They will happen and the world will never be the same again.

Inkfingers · May 3, 2020

keras said:
The Jewish State of Israel is the fig tree blossoming, Matthew 24:32

So you do not believe that the temple-less modern/zionist State of Israel is mentioned specifically in Revelation?

The massive change that the Sixth Seal event will bring to the world, esp the Middle East, will allow for all the faithful people of God to migrate to all of the holy Land

On a personal level, I cannot ever see the idea of moving to that scorching dustbowl as in any way attractive.

Lost4words · May 3, 2020

keras said:
That this belief is wrong, is quite apparent to anyone who reads all of that prophecy. Isaiah 66:7-14
Or who knows anything about the 50 years it took to establish the Jewish State of Israel.

It will apply to the new nation of Beulah, as prophesied in Isaiah 62:1-5

A Coronal Mass Ejection, an explosion on the suns surface, is the only thing that can and will literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about the forthcoming Day of the Lords wrath.
You can't deny the over 100 Bible prophesies that tell us about that Day. They will happen and the world will never be the same again.

Nothing equates to a coronal mass election. That is your take on it. Plus, its 'YOUR' interpretation of said scriptures. Its what 'YOU' have determined to be the meaning of those passages.

You say it will happen in your lifetime? Where do you get that from scripture?

keras · May 3, 2020

Inkfingers said:
So you do not believe that the temple-less modern/zionist State of Israel is mentioned specifically in Revelation?

As I said; the Jews are represented by the fig tree. Jeremiah 24:1-10
They have come back to a small part of the holy land. They have no Temple and only a very small minority wants to build one. If they tried, it would start WW 3 straight off.

Inkfingers said:
On a personal level, I cannot ever see the idea of moving to that scorching dustbowl as in any way attractive.

This shows your lack of knowledge of Bible prophecy.
Many prophesies tell how the Lord will send rain and the holy Land will become as the Garden of Eden. Isaiah 35, Joel 2:2-24, 3:18, Psalms 126:1-5, Jeremiah 33:12-13, +

Lost4words said:
Nothing equates to a coronal mass election.

The sun suddenly flashing 7 times brighter can only be an explosion on the suns surface. Something that has been observed happening many times.
The sun being a ball, they go off in every which direction, but occasionally they are earth directed and have caused some damage to our infrastructure.
The one that the Lord will instigate, will do what it is prophesied to do. Your denial of this is your mistake.

Lost4words said:
You say it will happen in your lifetime? Where do you get that from scripture?

This is a personal matter, I shouldn't have mentioned it.

tranquil · May 3, 2020

keras said:
Yes He did.
Matthew 24:27 mentions it , also Matthew 3:12. Alluded to in Luke 12:49 and of course how He stopped reading Isaiah 61:1-2, just before to prophesies the Lords Day of vengeance and wrath. Which we know will be by fire; Joel 2:30, Isaiah 66:15, 2 Peter 3:7, +

The Jewish State of Israel is the fig tree blossoming, Matthew 24:32
They are there in apostasy and unbelief; soon to be judged and punished. Isaiah 22:1-14, Jeremiah 12:14
The massive change that the Sixth Seal event will bring to the world, esp the Middle East, will allow for all the faithful people of God to migrate to all of the holy Land, as many prophesies say. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 62:1-7, Romans 9:24-26
A new Temple will be built by them: Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9 and Ezekiel 40 to 48 describes al of this period, leading up to the Return of Jesus.

Why not? Actually I see it as not much more than 15 years.

It is a logical and simple explanation for the Seventh Seal, that does fit the establishment of a One World Govt, the rise of the Anti-Christ, the people of Beulah settled and defended from the Gog/Magog attack, then the final seven years, as Daniel 9:27, Rev 12 & 13 says.

I agree with this. The rest of your post, I don't, its a lot of supposition and guesswork.

Wrong.
The new Temple will have the Shekinah glory of God in it. Ezekiel 43:1-4 His faithful people - all the Christians; will make offerings to God in it. Isaiah 56:6-7, Ezekiel 20:40-41

It isn't supposition, it is reading Daniel 9:2 + Daniel 9:24-27 in a very simple manner. It is supported by Revelation.

At the 69th week (we've gone 70 years, 70 weeks, 7 weeks, 62 weeks = Daniel 9:2, 24-25)

Daniel 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

[69 and 1/2 weeks]

But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.

[the abomination idol = the 6th Seal at Revelation 6:15-17 = Matthew 24:15-21]

26 And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city

[1st-4th Trumpet, the 'burning mountain' is the city of Mystery Babylon. The prince to come is fulfilling the Deuteronomy 13:12-18 injunction to destroy the city that offered the abomination idol. This is why Jesus immediately segues from the abomination/ great tribulation to the false christs that arise in Matthew 24:23]

[the flood destroys the sanctuary = Genesis 7:24 = the 5 months of the 5th Trumpet Revelation 9:5]

and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood,

[start of the war at the 6th Trumpet. The sanctuary = Psalm 68:17 = Revelation 9:13-16]

And till the end of the war desolations are determined.

[end of the war at the 6th Trumpet, Revelation 9:16-21]

[then the desolator that destroyed the city and then the sanctuary and then the desolator makes the covenant]

27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week;

[start of the 2 witnesses 1260 days]

But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

[start of the 7th Trumpet/ start of the False Prophet]

And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate.

the flood lasts until the end of the war is cut off by the covenant that triggers the start of the 2 witnesses.

Jonathan Walkerin · May 3, 2020

keras said:
This is a personal matter, I shouldn't have mentioned it.

I think God directed you to do it......so perhaps He wants you to come forward on this issue.

keras · May 3, 2020

Tranquil, you do the same as Douggg and many others. You commence the end times events with the 70th 'week'.
How can the leader of the One World Govt make a treaty with the people in the holy Land until an OWG is established, or the people as described in Ezekiel 38:11-12 are there?

That is why the Sixth Seal Day of the Lords fiery wrath must happen first, just as Revelation places it.
Thinking that the SS is the 'abomination idol', is a very weird idea.

keras · May 3, 2020

Jonathan Walkerin said:
I think God directed you to do it......so perhaps He wants you to come forward on this issue.

My advice to you and all Christians is; We are now at the very edge of dramatic and earth shaking events. We must stand firm in our faith, as God is watching us and will greatly reward those who keep their trust in Him, for their protection thru it all.

Knowing what God has planned; to destroy His enemies, and to bless His faithful people,

Psalms 2:1-11, is a big help toward this.

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