Gehenna and Hell?

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Gehenna Definition and Meaning - Bible Dictionary

The original meaning of the word is missing in the translated word as I understood before. I used to think it as some place in the spiritual realm that is set on everlasting flame/fire from where people cannot die or escape. So what exactly did I learn: It's not just a spiritual realm, its also physical/literal. Unsaved will be resurrected to this deadly place. But their resurrected body will be different from our glorified body. They are not just souls but will have a physical resurrected body of sin that won't die. Imagine the present world without God's grace and His children. How would that be like? The burning is not just literal fire and smoke, and darkness is not just everything being black, yes heat and darkness will be there, but it has also more to do with the internal/soul suffering PAIN, ANGER, HATRED (soul fire) and LOST minds (soul darkness). Imagine the plight of Nebuchadnezzar when God driven him away from mankind into the wilderness and removed his human mental ability and gave him the mind of a beast and his dwelling was with the beasts. Imagine a place like Egypt when plagues hit them and on top of that its only more sin everywhere, everyone tormenting each other and devil also tormenting them. They keep weeping and gnashing their teeth. Gehenna is that. This place is outside God's Jerusalem.

P.S- I put smileys because I learned deeper meaning of God's word and His righteousness, His Justice, and His Kingdom and I take joy in that. And also because I took great effort in understanding this word and figuring it out. So I just felt joy when I finally understood it's deeper meaning.
 
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There are many words that have different interpretations and translations. Yeshua/Yashua, Alma/Virgin/Young Woman, etc. What matters is the meaning of the text behind the words. Gehenna and Hell/Hades, etc. are different words for presumably the same place, generally.
 
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..its Gehenna, not hell.
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(It's probably still a major bummer, though...)
 
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I believe "Gehenna" is primarily referring to the "Lake of Fire." Why was it not translated as such? Is this an error? Perish the thought (2 Corinthians 10:5). Error in God's Word? Not a chance (1 Thessalonians 2:13). I believe the King James Bible is the pure Word of God today (Psalms 12:6-7). So Matthew 10:28 that refers to "hell" as the Lake of Fire is not a mistake. Why? Because "hell" will become one with the Lake of Fire.

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire.
This is the second death"
(Revelation 20:14).​

So lets read Matthew 10:28 that uses the word Gehenna (Lake of Fire).

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell ["hell" within the "Lake of Fire"]." (Matthew 10:28).
 
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"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter"
(Proverbs 25:2).

Important Note:

Faithful believers in Jesus Christ are kings and priests (Revelation 1:6).
 
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I think I'm missing something... but is Gehenna better somehow? Just judging by your smileys. ^_^ I think I've heard some people try to use Gehenna as proof that Hell isn't eternal (my opinion would be that it is, but I know it's not super clear everywhere). Yet, though the bodies were burned in Gehenna and that was that, Gehenna was also known for fires that essentially never went out. So it really could go either way.
 
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I don't believe we should correct God's Word (by saying there are mistakes in it), but I believe God's Word should correct us. But one needs to find that perfect Word in order to not think there are mistakes in God's Word. God's Word tells me that His Word are pure words (Psalms 12:6) (Proverbs 30:5 - KJV), and that they will last for all generations (Psalms 12:7). I literally believe that. Do you?

Proverbs 30:5 KJV
"Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."
 
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There are many words that have different interpretations and translations. Yeshua/Yashua, Alma/Virgin/Young Woman, etc. What matters is the meaning of the text behind the words. Gehenna and Hell/Hades, etc. are different words for presumably the same place, generally.

The original meaning of the word is missing in the translated word as I understood before.
 
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The King James is available in other languages:

Textus Receptus in Spanish (RVG 2010):
https://www.amazon.com/Santa-Biblia-Rústica-Valera-Spanish/dp/0758907567/

King James Francais in French:
Bible King James Française | King James Française

Koning Jacobus Vertaling in Dutch:
http://www.koningjacobusvertaling.org/info_english.php

Bibelen Guds Ord in Norwegian:
http://www.hermon.no/netbibelen/

Thai King James Bible Version:
The Bible (Thai: from KJV)

Korean King James Version:
https://www.amazon.com/Korean-English-Bible-Leather-Golden/dp/B005DPPENA/

Brazillian Portuguese (the BKJ):
Bíblia King James Fiel 1611

King James in Hindi (India):
https://www.amazon.com/English-Hindi-Bible-Parallel-Halseth-ebook/dp/B072FR9XZ2

Note: My Christian friend speaks Malayalam (Indian language). They used to have an Apple app that would allow you to compare Malayalam with the KJV, but it is no longer available in the Apple store. But it appears it is available on Google Play store via android devices.

King James / Malayalam Bible app (For Android / Google Play Store).
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.malayalam.bible&hl=en_US
 
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What did you believe before this new discovery, and what do you believe now? How has your belief changed? And do you credit knowledge gained for this chance, or wisdom given by the Holy spirit?

Imagine the present world without God's grace and His children. How would that be like? The burning is not just fire and smoke, and darkness is not just everything being black, but it is the internal PAIN and LOST minds. Imagine the plight of Nebuchadnezzar when God driven him away from mankind into the wilderness and removed his human mental ability and gave him the mind of a beast and his dwelling was with the beasts. Gehenna is that. This place is outside God's Jerusalem.
 
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I think I'm missing something... but is Gehenna better somehow? Just judging by your smileys. ^_^ I think I've heard some people try to use Gehenna as proof that Hell isn't eternal (my opinion would be that it is, but I know it's not super clear everywhere). Yet, though the bodies were burned in Gehenna and that was that, Gehenna was also known for fires that essentially never went out. So it really could go either way.

I put smileys because I learned deeper meaning of God's word and His kingdom. Gehenna is not better. It is eternal suffering.
 
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I believe unfaithful servants of God will be cast into outer darkness before they are judged at the final judgment, and then cast into the Lake of Fire to be destroyed or erased from existence (after they are punished for their sins for a time). Three places in Scripture talk about being cast into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth (This is for the unfaithful servant and not a person who rejects Christ).

Unbelievers who never accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior will go to "hell" or "the place of torments," which is the same place the rich man went to. After their time in "hell," they will then go to the final Judgment, and then be cast into the Lake of Fire to be punished in portion to the sins they committed here in this life, and then they will be annihilated, destroyed, or erased from existence by the fire. They will be no more.
 
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I put smileys because I learned deeper meaning of God's word and His kingdom. Gehenna is not better. It is eternal suffering.

I believe why most hold to ECT (Eternal Conscious Torment) is because they do not understand that the word "forever" does not always mean "forever" in their own Bible. They have not fully studied (with the help of the Anointing and by comparing Scripture with Scripture) to show themselves approved unto God on this matter.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15 - KJV).

Take Revelation 14:11 as an example.
Should the English words "for ever" (or "forever") be read literally meaning an endless state?

Well, I heard a pastor once say that the best way to interpret the Bible is to let the Bible do the interpreting for you. What I am I talking about? Well, the Bible tells us that the phrase "smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever" is a metaphorical phrase from Isaiah 34:10 which says that the smoke of Edom went up forever and ever. Yet is the city of Edom burning today? No, of course not. So we then realize that this phrase is speaking metaphorically.

In other words,, the word "forever" (and it's related words) does not always mean forever in the Bible. “Forever” can be talking about "forever" here on this Earth (as long as someone lives) or in having a sense of "completeness" or "totality" for a specific thing). For what do you make of the following verses below that say that "forever" (or it's related words) is not forever?

• In Genesis 13:15 the land of Canaan is given to Israel “forever”.

• The Law is to be a statute “forever” (Exodus 12:24; Exodus 27:21; Exodus 28:43).

• Sodom's fiery judgment is "eternal" (Jude 1:7) until -- God "will restore the fortunes of Sodom" (Ezekiel 16:53-55).

• Israel's "affliction is incurable" (Jeremiah 30:12) until -- the Lord "will restore health" and heal her wounds (Jeremiah 30:17).

• The sin of Samaria "is incurable" (Micah 1:9) until -- Lord "will restore ... the fortunes of Samaria." (Ezekiel 16:53).

• Ammon is to become a "wasteland forever" and "rise no more" (Zephaniah 2:9, Jeremiah 25:27 until -- the Lord will "restore the fortunes of the Ammonites" (Jeremiah 49:6).

• An Ammonite or Moabite is forbidden to enter the Lord's congregation "forever" until -- the tenth generation (Deuteronomy 23:3):

• Habakkuk tells us of mountains that were "everlasting" until -- they "were shattered" Habakkuk 3:6).

• The Aaronic Priesthood was to be an "everlasting" priesthood (Exodus 40:15), that is-until-it was superceded by the Melchizedek Priesthood (Hebrews 7:14-18).

• Many translations of the Bible inform us that God would dwell in Solomon's Temple "forever" (1 Kings 8:13), until -- the Temple was destroyed.

• The children of Israel were to "observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant" (Exodus 31:16)-until -- Paul states there remains "another day" of Sabbath rest for the people of God (Hebrews 4:8-9).

• The Law of Moses was to be an "everlasting covenant" (Leviticus 24:8) yet we read in the New Covenant the first was "done away" and "abolished" (2 Corinthians 3:11-13), and God "made the first old" (Hebrews 8:13).

• The fire for Israel's sin offering (of a ram without blemish) is never to be put out. It shall be a "perpetual" until -- Christ, the Lamb of God, dies for our sins.
Hell. We now have a better covenant established on better promises (Leviticus 6:12-13, Hebrews 8:6-13).

• God's waves of wrath roll over Jonah "forever" until--the Lord delivers him from the large fish's belly on the third day (Jonah 2:6-10; Jonah 1:17); Egypt and Elam will "rise no more" (Jeremiah 25:27) until -- the Lord will "restore the fortunes of Egypt" (Ezekiel 29:14) and "restore the fortunes of Elam" (Jeremiah 49:39).

• "Moab is destroyed" (Jeremiah 48:4, Jeremiah 48:42) until--the Lord "will restore the fortunes of Moab" (Jeremiah 48:47).

• Israel's judgment lasts "forever" until -- the Spirit is poured out and God restores it (Isaiah 32:13-15).

• The King James Bible, as well as many others, tells us that a bond slave was to serve his master "forever" (Exodus 21:6), until -- his death.

• “Eternal” (Greek aionia, αιονια) is sometimes used of a limited (not endless) period of time. But the most common use is illustrated in 2 Corinthians 4:18 where it is contrasted with “temporal” and in Philemon 1:15 where it is contrasted with “for a while.”​

Anyways, in conclusion, I have discovered that the word "forever" as used in the Bible is true. It does mean "forever" but it is talking in "forever" under the context of within either a temporary Covenant, or here upon this Earth (which is temporal), or within the Lake of Fire (Which is also a temporary place).

Here is the source for list above for the Scriptural examples used on the word "forever":
http://www.apttoteach.org/attjom/index.php
 
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Conditional Immortality:
(Note: "Conditional Immortality" is the view that the wicked will be erased from existence in the Lake of Fire after the Judgment) (I believe in "Dualistic Conditional Immortality," which denies "soul sleep" within "Traditional Conditional Immortality." "Dualistic Conditional Immortality" sees hell as a very real and literal place of suffering, with the Lake of Fire being a place of destruction; You can learn more about "Dualistic Conditional Immortality" in this CF thread here).

Verses That Are In Support of Conditional Immortality:
(Destruction in the Lake of Fire):

“...he must not reach out, take from the tree of life, eat, and live forever." (Genesis 3:22 HCSB).

“and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah with seven others, a proclaimer of righteousness, when he brought a flood on the world of the ungodly; and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, having made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly.” (2 Peter 2:5-6 NHEB).

“And repays them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hates him, he will repay him to his face.” (Deuteronomy 7:10).

“Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same. By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.” (Job 4:8-9).

“For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.” (Psalms 1:6).

“When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul. Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because thou hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at thine hand.” (Ezekiel 3:18-20).

“Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die” (Ezekiel 18:4).

“I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.” (Luke 13:3).

“Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” (Romans 1:32).

“And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever” (1 John 2:17).

“And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.” (1 John 5:11-13)

“But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;” (2 Peter 2:12).

“What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.” ‭‭(Romans 6:21).

“For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.” (Malachi 4:1-3).

“The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death” (1 Corinthians 15:26)

“When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that they shall be destroyed for ever:” (Psalms 92:7).

“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell [i.e. Gehenna or Lake of Fire].” (Matthew 10:28).


On the Eternal New Earth, The Saints will Witness the Lifeless Remains of the Wicked:

The Saints View The Lifeless Remains (i.e. Corpses) of the Wicked:

Isaiah 66:22-24

"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord. And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

For the Final Fate of the Wicked is Destruction (or Annihilation):

2 Thessalonians 1:9

"Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power."

Malachi 4:1-3

“For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.”

2 Peter 2:6 NHEB

"...and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, having made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly.”

Psalms 68:2

"....as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God."

Job 4:8-9

“Even as I have seen, they that plow iniquity, and sow wickedness, reap the same. By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed.”

Psalms 92:7 NLT

"Though the wicked sprout like weeds and evildoers flourish, they will be destroyed forever."

Deuteronomy 7:10

“And repays them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hates him, he will repay him to his face.”

Psalms 1:6

“For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.”

Matthew 10:28

“And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell [i.e. Gehenna or Lake of Fire].”

Revelation 21:8

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

The Final Fate of the Wicked Also Includes the Annihilation or:

A. Destruction of the Devil:

Isaiah 14:12, Isaiah 14:19

12 “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” 19 “....thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.”
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Ezekiel 28:14-15, Ezekiel 28:18

“Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.”

“Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.”

B. Destruction of the Entity Known As "Death":

1 Corinthians 15:26

“The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death”

1 Corinthians 15:25

“For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.”


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Imagine the present world without God's grace and His children. How would that be like? The burning is not just fire and smoke, and darkness is not just everything being black, but it is the internal PAIN and LOST minds. Imagine the plight of Nebuchadnezzar when God driven him away from mankind into the wilderness and removed his human mental ability and gave him the mind of a beast and his dwelling was with the beasts. Gehenna is that. This place is outside God's Jerusalem.
So you are explaining that Hell is even worse than we all originally imagined?
 
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