Are those who deny eternal punishment doomed to Hell?

nolidad said:

I tire of your ignorance!

Jude 6: 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Everlasting is aidios! So you are wrong in your thought and wrong in your knowing where aidios is used!

And now explain why greek scholars from all ages recognize that aionios and aidios are synonymous, just like in English eternal, everlasting, undying, forever are synonyms and mean the same even though they are not the same word!

When you throw out understanding of basic grammar when reading the Bible you wind up believing all this garbage!

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FineLinen said:

I am thrilled you have a Strong's by your side. It surely will carry your life into fresh horizons in Him (lol)

My young friend, follow the bouncing ball qualification of discipleship.

You >> did NOT > > choose Me, > > I chose you.

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Shrewd Manager said:

And Jesus said to them, “Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” [...] Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Mt 24:2, 32)
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. (Lk 19:10)
And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth. (Gen 9:11)
A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. (Is 42:3)
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into Gehenna. (Mt 5:30)
For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. (Mt 23:4)
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. (2 Cor 5:17)
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last (Rev 1:17)
And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. (Rev 19:21)
For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after. (Jer 30:17)
Instead of your shame there shall be a double portion; instead of dishonor they shall rejoice in their lot; therefore in their land they shall possess a double portion; they shall have everlasting joy. (Is 61:7)
Slain in the spirit, the sins of old washed away and burned up, restored to great health and rejoicing anew in the wondrous glory of God.
Grace der Alter, heap big wampum from heaven.

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FineLinen said:

Dear Noli: Never tire in keeping us ignorant sinners straight.

The chains of the Aidios God are eternal & they remain aidios/ eternal until the mighty day of our God when He sets the all, the ta pante right!

The ONLY other reference to aidios is again where it rightly belongs in the Aidios One who ALONE is aidios!

Aionios = everlasting = rooted in aion = age

Aidios = eternal = rooted in the Aidios God ALONE.

αιωνιος = aiōnios

αιδιος = aidios

“It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance–the forgiveness of our offences–so abundant was God’s grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the mystery of His will. And this is in harmony with God’s merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it-- the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you…”

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nolidad said:

So eternal means eternal until it doesn't fit your "between the lines" doctrines and then it doesn't! OK got it!

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Contenders Edge said:

I make good use of it. You should too. Maybe then you will better understand why I stand where I stand.

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Saint Steven said:

Are you sure?
What do you make of this?

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

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FineLinen said:

Dear Contender: It is most unfortunate the disciples of our Lord
Lesous did not have such a valuable resource (lol).

"Then opened He their understanding..."

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Saint Steven said:

Since when is that a requirement for salvation, and how are such things measured?

Did you have a "real desire" to follow Christ? (who can say?) Could your desire have been MORE "real"? (I suppose so) Was it real enough to save you? (who can say?) Was the desire "real" at all? (who knows?) How are such things measured?

Better to measure our salvation by the only thing we can measure, the finished work of Christ - ON OUR BEHALF.

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nolidad said:

Well I doubt that! God has to lead a person to the place of repentance. Our sowing of seeds is just giving out the word of God that God can use to produce saving faith.

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Contenders Edge said:

A passage of scripture you have taken out of its proper context in order to make appear relevant to the topic of this thread which, when read in its proper context, it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

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Contenders Edge said:

It should be self-evident that if you have no real desire to follow Christ, you have no desire to repent of your sins and if you have no desire to repent your sins, you will be damned because you have no desire to be in the presence of your Maker. If I had no desire to follow Christ, I would not have repented of my sins.

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Der Alter said:

Yet Jesus said that many would go into "eternal"[not that age during nonsense] punishment."[and kolasis does not mean correction."
In these verses is this God showing love?

Genesis 19:24-25, Genesis 7:23, Numbers 21:3, Deuteronomy 20:16-17, Deuteronomy 7:2, Deuteronomy 32:25, Jeremiah 13:14
Genesis 19:24-25 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.
Genesis 7:23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
Numbers 21:3 And the LORD hearkened to the voice of Israel, and delivered up the Canaanites; and they utterly destroyed them and their cities: and he called the name of the place Hormah.
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth
17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:
Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them:
Deuteronomy 32:25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.
Jeremiah 13:14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.

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Saint Steven said:

Seems on point to me. Here's what you said. (followed by what I said)

Contenders Edge said: ↑
But God will not continue to cast pearls before the swine leaving no other option except that they should face everlasting punishment since they have resolved to be everlastingly unrepentant. The scripture is very clear about this and there is no way of getting around it.

Saint Steven said: ↑
Are you sure?
What do you make of this?

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

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Saint Steven said:

What do you believe is the basis for salvation then?

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Saint Steven said:

So you are accusing me of not being conformed to the image of my maker? On what basis do make such an outlandish claim?

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Saint Steven said:

That is a false, unfounded and completely inappropriate accusation.

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Saint Steven said:

Oh, is that the "real desire to devote themselves to Christ" you speak of in your post quoted below?

Contenders Edge said: ↑
But not because they have any real desire to devote themselves to Christ, which is why they will remain where they will remain.

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Saint Steven said:

Here was your claim from earlier. Fear seems to have been the incentive for repentance.

Contenders Edge said: ↑
Nevertheless, the denial of eternal torment takes away incentive for the lost soul to repent.

For the most part, I agree, but without the warning of eternal torment, the fear of God is less and the more comfortable men will be in their sins.

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Contenders Edge said:

Which is better? To serve Christ in Heaven or suffer eternal torment in the Lake of Fire?

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