A basic flaw in Partial Preterist interpretation

Andrewn · Mar 30, 2020

claninja said:
How can the millenium end at Christ's 2nd coming, and yet satan is released after the millennium is completed, for a little season?

claninja said:
The traditional Amil position is that the 1,000 years = the time between the 1st and 2nd advent. However, this creates a contradiction in the amil traditional belief. If the 1,000 years is a time span, how can satan be released after the 1,000 years if Jesus comes at the end of the 1,000 years?

claninja said:
Where does the amil church place the "loosing of satan" in regards to the millennium, before or after the 1,000 years ends?

claninja said:
so then do you believe Satan’s little season starts before the millennium ends or after the millennium ends?

I thought you were either kidding or trolling but you've repeated the question enough times for me to assume you're serious.

In Amil, the duration of the Millennium is unspecified. So, it doesn't really matter whether satan is released before or at the end of the Millennium. But it appears that satan is released at end of the Millennium, and only for a short season.

In Rev 9 the locusts were released for 5 months. This is only 0.04% of 1000 years, so does it really matter whether it's before or at the end of the Millennium? I don't think so. The number 1000 is symbolic but it is a duration, a time interval, not an incident.

claninja · Mar 30, 2020

Andrewn said:
I thought you were either kidding or trolling but you've repeated the question enough times for me to assume you're serious. In Amil, the duration of the Millennium is unspecified. So, it doesn't really matter whether satan is released before or at the end of the Millennium. But it appears that satan is released at end of the Millennium, and only for a short season. In Rev 9 the locusts were released for 5 months. This is only 0.04% of 1000 years, so does it really matter whether it's before or at the end of the Millennium? I don't think so. The number 1000 is symbolic but it is a duration, a time interval, not an incident.

but revelation doesn’t say Satan is released at the end of the millennium. Revelation states Satan is released once the millennium is completed

And when the thousand years may be finished, the Adversary shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:7 - Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 20:7 - Young's Literal Translation

So if it’s a duration then shouldnt the millennium be the timespan from Christ’s 1st advent until Satans little season and not the 2nd advent? However this wouldn’t be considered traditional Amil, as Amil has the duration between the 1st and 2nd ascents

sovereigngrace · Mar 30, 2020

claninja said:
The first resurrection is Christ and all who partake in it by being born again.

The souls who reign in heaven during this thousand years do so on the grounds of Christ's first resurrection. Their victorious reign must therefore relate to the dead in Christ ruling in heaven during the intermediate state.

sovereigngrace · Mar 30, 2020

claninja said:
but revelation doesn’t say Satan is released at the end of the millennium. Revelation states Satan is released once the millennium is completed

And when the thousand years may be finished, the Adversary shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:7 - Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 20:7 - Young's Literal Translation

So if it’s a duration then shouldnt the millennium be the timespan from Christ’s 1st advent until Satans little season and not the 2nd advent? However this wouldn’t be considered traditional Amil, as Amil has the duration between the 1st and 2nd ascents

You do not seem to have a proper understanding of Amil. This may explain why you have taken a hold of this RCC aberration.

It seems like you are trying to artificially create a problem where there is no problem.

Christian Gedge · Mar 30, 2020

claninja said:
but revelation doesn’t say Satan is released at the end of the millennium. Revelation states Satan is released once the millennium is completed

And when the thousand years may be finished, the Adversary shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:7 - Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 20:7 - Young's Literal Translation

So if it’s a duration then shouldnt the millennium be the timespan from Christ’s 1st advent until Satans little season and not the 2nd advent? However this wouldn’t be considered traditional Amil, as Amil has the duration between the 1st and 2nd ascents

This is nit-picking surely. Satan is released at the end of the Millennium. Christ comes at the end of the Millennium. Whats the prob? Its beginning to sound like a discussion we had once as to whether the 'day of the Lord' was exactly 24 hours or not.

Adamina · Mar 30, 2020

claninja said:
I disagree, there is clear distinction between the persecution of the church and the punishment associated with 1st century Jerusalem in the olivet discourse

Luke 21:12 But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. On account of My name they will deliver you to the synagogues and prisons, and they will bring you before kings and governors.

You believe God's wrath is against Christians? "this people" refers to the "they will fall by the edge of the sword".

Luke 21:23-24 How miserable those days will be for pregnant and nursing mothers! For there will be great distress upon the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive into all the nations. And Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Daniel states there would be 4 empire until the saints possess the kingdom forever.

Daniel 7:17-18 These four great beasts are four kings who will arise from the earth. But the saints of the Most High will receive the kingdom and possess it forever—yes, forever and ever.’

There are plenty of non apocalyptic scriptures outside of revelation and ezekiel that help us interpret them. However, when we ignore them, interpreting revelation and ezekiel becomes personal interpretation. As I'm sure your well aware, there are hundreds of different futurist interpretation of Ezekiel and revelation.

And I would disagree that my view does not allow for the OD to allude to "Gog and Magog".

My view is that Gog and magog is a parable for the crucifixion of Christ and persecution of the Church.

1.) I believe this passage points to the cross:

Ezekiel 39:17 and as for you, son of man, this is what the Lord GOD says: Call out to every kind of bird and to every beast of the field: ‘Assemble and come together from all around to my sacrificial feast that I am preparing for you, a great feast on the mountains of Israel. There you will eat flesh and drink blood.

John 6:53-55 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I tell you, unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is real food, and My blood is real drink.

2.) I believe this passage points to the cross:

Revelation 19:19 Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth with their armies gathered to wage war against the One seated on the horse, and against His army.

Acts 4:26-27 The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together
against the Lord and against His Anointed One.’ For this is indeed the very city where Herod and Pontius Pilate conspired with the Gentiles and the people of Israel against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed.

3.) I believe satan's little season refers to the persecution of the church

Revelation 20:7-9 When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city.

Revelation 12:17 and the dragon was enraged at the woman, and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

Luke 21:12-17 But before all this, they will seize you and persecute you. On account of My name they will deliver you to the synagogues and prisons, and they will bring you before kings and governors. This will be your opportunity to serve as witnesses. So make up your mind not to worry beforehand how to defend yourselves. For I will give you speech and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers and relatives and friends, and some of you will be put to death. And you will be hated by everyone because of My name.

I don't view the 1,000 years as a starting or ending point. I view it as symbolic for Christ fulfillment of the Davidic covenant at his 1st advent.

non apocalyptic scripture is clear that satan was bound, cast out, and "coming" at Christ's 1st advent.

Matthew 12:39 or how can someone enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house.

John 12:31-33 Now is the judgment of this world; now will the ruler of this world be cast out. 32And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” He said this to show by what kind of death he was going to die.

John 14:30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me,

How can the millenium end at Christ's 2nd coming, and yet satan is released after the millennium is completed, for a little season?

Andrewn said: ↑
I thought you were either kidding or trolling but you've repeated the question enough times for me to assume you're serious. In Amil, the duration of the Millennium is unspecified. So, it doesn't really matter whether satan is released before or at the end of the Millennium. But it appears that satan is released at end of the Millennium, and only for a short season. In Rev 9 the locusts were released for 5 months. This is only 0.04% of 1000 years, so does it really matter whether it's before or at the end of the Millennium? I don't think so. The number 1000 is symbolic but it is a duration, a time interval, not an incident.

claninja said: ↑
but revelation doesn’t say Satan is released at the end of the millennium. Revelation states Satan is released once the millennium is completed
And when the thousand years may be finished, the Adversary shall be loosed out of his prison,

sovereigngrace said:
You do not seem to have a proper understanding of Amil. This may explain why you have taken a hold of this RCC aberration.

It seems like you are trying to artificially create a problem where there is no problem.

Christian Gedge said:
This is nit-picking surely. Satan is released at the end of the Millennium. Christ comes at the end of the Millennium. Whats the prob? Its beginning to sound like a discussion we had once as to whether the 'day of the Lord' was exactly 24 hours or not.

Then what are those 2 events in Revelation symbolizing?

Revelation 14:14 Then I looked and behold! a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.

Luke 21:27 And then they shall see the Son of the Man, coming in a cloud with power and much glory

Revelation 19:11
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold! a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
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According to this site on partial preterism, Jesus actually come twice.....once for judgment on the Jewish nation then once after the 1000yr period before the final resurrection and judgment.
I am fairly confused on this.........

claninja · Mar 30, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
The souls who reign in heaven during this thousand years do so on the grounds of Christ's first resurrection. Their victorious reign must therefore relate to the dead in Christ ruling in heaven during the intermediate state.

I am in agreement with Augustine in regards to what the 1st resurrection is: being born again, which takes place in this life.

"As yet He does not speak of the second resurrection, that is, the resurrection of the body, which shall be in the end, but of the first, which now is. It is for the sake of making this distinction that He says, "The hour is coming, and now is." Now this resurrection regards not the body, but the soul. For souls, too, have a death of their own in wickedness and sins, whereby they are the dead of whom the same lips say, "Suffer the dead to bury[695]—that is, let those who are dead in soul bury them that are dead in body. It is of these dead, then—the dead in ungodliness and wickedness—that He says, "The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God; and they that hear shall live." "They that hear," that is, they who obey, believe, and persevere to the end. Here no difference is made between the good and the bad. For it is good for all men to hear His voice and live, by passing to the life of godliness from the death of ungodliness. Of this death the Apostle Paul says, "Therefore all are dead, and He died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto Him which died for them and rose again."[696] Thus all, without one exception, were dead in sins, whether original or voluntary sins, sins of ignorance, or sins committed against knowledge; and for all the dead there died the one only person who lived, that is, who had no sin whatever, in order that they who live by the remission of their sins should live, not to themselves, but to Him who died for all, for our sins, and rose again for our justification, that we, believing in Him who justifies the ungodly, and being justified from ungodliness or quickened from death, may be able to attain to the first resurrection which now is."

"then, there are two regenerations, of which I have already made mention,—the one according to faith, and which takes place in the present life by means of baptism; the other according to the flesh, and which shall be accomplished[Pg 356] in its incorruption and immortality by means of the great and final judgment,—so are there also two resurrections,—the one the first and spiritual resurrection, which has place in this life, and preserves us from coming into the second death; the other the second, which does not occur now, but in the end of the world, and which is of the body, not of the soul, and which by the last judgment shall dismiss some into the second death, others into that life which has no death."

claninja · Mar 30, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
You do not seem to have a proper understanding of Amil. This may explain why you have taken a hold of this RCC aberration.

It seems like you are trying to artificially create a problem where there is no problem.

Then maybe you could help me understand. Why does Amillennialism put satan's little season WITHIN the millennium, when revelation states the little season doesn't occur until AFTER the millennium is completed?

Revelation 20:3 And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time.

Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison

claninja · Mar 30, 2020

Christian Gedge said:
This is nit-picking surely. Satan is released at the end of the Millennium. Christ comes at the end of the Millennium. Whats the prob? Its beginning to sound like a discussion we had once as to whether the 'day of the Lord' was exactly 24 hours or not.

CG, we have had discussion in regards to when the anointed one comes with dispys. Does the anointed one come at the end of the 69th week or at the beginning of the 70th week? We agree at the beginning of the 70th week. Is this being nit picky? Yes, because the distinction is important, as I'm sure you can agree.

Daniel 9:25 Know and understand this: From the issuance of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah, the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks.

Thus, I find it important that revelation states satan's little season occurs AFTER the Millennium/when the Millennium is completed. I think this is an important issue, and the main reason I disagree with the traditional view of Amil.

Revelation 20:3 And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time.

Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison

Revelation is clear, that satan is released AFTER/upon completion of the 1,000 years.

sovereigngrace · Mar 30, 2020

Adamina said:
Then what are those 2 events in Revelation symbolizing?

Revelation 14:14 Then I looked and behold! a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle.
Revelation 19:11
Now I saw heaven opened, and behold! a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.
=================================
According to this site on partial preterism, Jesus actually come twice.....once for judgment on the Jewish nation then once after the 1000yr period before the final resurrection and judgment.
I am fairly confused on this.........
Partial Preterism at PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterism
PARTIAL PRETERISM STUDY ARCHIVE

"The theologically liberal accusations that the New Testament writers taught that Jesus Christ would return in their own lifetimes (thus denying Biblical infallibility) is no less erroneous than is the notion by some conservatives that we must attribute most or all of such texts to the destruction of Jerusalem in A. D. 70 in order to maintain the integrity of the Bible’s infallibility" - P. Andrew Sandlin
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2 comings of Jesus?!?!

70ad:
A coming (parousia) of Christ
A day of the Lord
A judgment
The end of the Jewish Age
(Source: R.C. Sproul, Last Days)

Still future:
The Coming (parousia) of Christ
The Day of the Lord
The Resurrection of the dead
The Rapture of the living
The (final) Judgment
The end of history

Revelation 19 is the sixth of seven recaps. The end of Revelation 20 correlates with other second coming passages.

sovereigngrace · Mar 30, 2020

claninja said:
CG, we have had discussion in regards to when the anointed one comes with dispys. Does the anointed one come at the end of the 69th week or at the beginning of the 70th week? We agree at the beginning of the 70th week. Is this being nit picky? Yes, because the distinction is important, as I'm sure you can agree.

Daniel 9:25 Know and understand this: From the issuance of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah, the Prince, there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks.

Thus, I find it important that revelation states satan's little season occurs AFTER the Millennium/when the Millennium is completed. I think this is an important issue, and the main reason I disagree with the traditional view of Amil.

Revelation 20:3 And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time.

Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison

Revelation is clear, that satan is released AFTER/upon completion of the 1,000 years.

The amillennial position is that Jesus comes after Satan‘s little season.

claninja · Mar 30, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
The amillennial position is that Jesus comes after Satan‘s little season.

The traditional Amil position, is that the millennium is symbolic for the period between the 1st and 2nd advent of Christ.

Where does the traditional Amil place satan's little season, within the millennium or after the millennium?

Christian Gedge · Mar 30, 2020

claninja said:
CG, we have had discussion in regards to when the anointed one comes with dispys. Does the anointed one come at the end of the 69th week or at the beginning of the 70th week? We agree at the beginning of the 70th week. Is this being nit picky? Yes, because the distinction is important, as I'm sure you can agree.

OK, agree.

claninja said:
Thus, I find it important that revelation states satan's little season occurs AFTER the Millennium/when the Millennium is completed. I think this is an important issue, and the main reason I disagree with the traditional view of Amil.

OK, Satan's little season occurs AFTER the Millennium. But doesn't traditional Amil say that? Or, if not say it explicitly, does not traditional Amil mean that? Then, last of all, the 2nd advent?

sovereigngrace · Mar 30, 2020

claninja said:
The traditional Amil position, is that the millennium is symbolic for the period between the 1st and 2nd advent of Christ.

Where does the traditional Amil place satan's little season, within the millennium or after the millennium?

The traditional Amil position, is that the millennium/Satan's little season is symbolic of the period between the 1st and 2nd advent of Christ. You should do your research first before speaking on their behalf.

One Son · Mar 30, 2020

Christian Gedge said:
OK, agree.

OK, Satan's little season occurs AFTER the Millennium. But doesn't traditional Amil say that? Or, if not say it explicitly, does not traditional Amil mean that? Then, last of all, the 2nd advent?

Hi, your confusion is with the translators?

Rev.20:3(ASV) and cast him into the abyss, and shut it , and sealed it over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be finished: after*(with) this he must be loosed for a little time.

* meta <3326>

meta meta

Pronunciation: met-ah'

Origin: a primary preposition (often used adverbially)

Reference: TDNT - 7:766,1102

PrtSpch: prep

In Greek: met 131, meta 295, mey 43

In NET: with 292, after 46, After 42, to 10, later 6, in 5, against 4, among 4, his companions 4, along with 2, companions 2, on 2, With 2, confidently 2, and 2, carries 1, then 1, bringing 1, along 1, without 1, accompanying 1, when 1, afterward 1, use 1, courageously 1, in company with 1, sue 1, joyfully 1, right behind 1, later on 1, hurriedly 1, hurried 1, eagerly 1, from 1, without losing dignity 1, his own companions 1, each 1

In AV: with 345, after 88, among 5, hereafter + 5023 4, afterward + 5023 4, against 4, not tr 1, misc 32

Count: 473

Definition: 1) with, after, behind.

until the thousand years should be finished: with* this he must be loosed for a little time.

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. (2Cor.5:17).

Adamina · Mar 30, 2020

claninja said: ↑
The traditional Amil position, is that the millennium is symbolic for the period between the 1st and 2nd advent of Christ.

Where does the traditional Amil place satan's little season, within the millennium or after the millennium?

sovereigngrace said:
The traditional Amil position, is that the millennium/Satan's little season is symbolic of the period between the 1st and 2nd advent of Christ. You should do your research first before speaking on their behalf.

I thought this thread concerned flaws in Partial Preterism, not in Amillennialism

"A basic flaw in Partial Preterist interpretation"

CF distinguishes between those 2 views, and just as there are varying views of Preterism, so there are also varying views of Millennialism.

Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose

Partial Preterism:

Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.

The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.

Millennialism:

Amillennialism:

"no millennium", rejects the theory that Jesus Christ will have a thousand-year-long, physical reign on the earth.

The amillennial viewpoint holds that the thousand years mentioned in Revelation 20 is a symbolic number, not a literal description; that the millennium has already begun and is identical with the current church age.

Andrewn · Mar 30, 2020

Adamina said:
Then what are those 2 events in Revelation symbolizing? Revelation 14:14 Then I looked and behold! a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. Revelation 19:11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold! a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war.

These 2 events as well as Luk 21:27 symbolize Christ's future 2nd coming.

Adamina said:
According to this site on partial preterism, Jesus actually come twice.....once for judgment on the Jewish nation then once after the 1000yr period before the final resurrection and judgment. I am fairly confused on this.........

The belief that Jesus came for judgment on the Jewish nation is not orthodox. It's not upheld by Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, or Protestants. Perhaps there is no harm in believing in a symbolic coming in 70 AD so long it's understood that the physical 2nd coming is still in the future.

Andrewn · Mar 31, 2020

sovereigngrace said:
The traditional Amil position, is that the millennium/Satan's little season is symbolic of the period between the 1st and 2nd advent of Christ.

Would you plz explain this?

sovereigngrace · Mar 31, 2020

Andrewn said:
Would you plz explain this?

Revelation 20:7:10 says, “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”

Satan's little season occurs after the thousand years and before the second coming. Satan will be released at the end of the millennium for a little season (Rev 20:7). I believe this corresponds with the appearing of the man of sin in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12. Paul tells us that the mystery of lawlessness doth already work: only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of the way, corresponds perfectly with what we have said about the limiting of Satan's present power. This restrainer is the Holy Spirit. This is speaking of the last preparation for battle before the climactic Coming of Christ.

Satan is bound, having only such power as God grants him. Whenever God is ready, he will remove the restrainer; that is, the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the way (2 Thessalonians 2:7). Then, says Paul, the lawless one will be given full power to deceive them that perish.

Revelation 20:11-15 – 21:1-5: “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”

The text above shows Christ returning enthroned in glory, whereupon the general resurrection/judgment occurs. This lines up with multiple Scripture of a general judgment at the second coming. The arrival of the king of glory also sees the resurrection of the dead (righteous and wicked). Elsewhere in Scripture these things are located at His Coming (Job 14:12-14, Isaiah 13:9-11, Isaiah 34:1-4, 8, Isaiah 65:17-21, Isaiah 66:22-24, Joel 2:3, Joel 2:10-11, Malachi 4:1-3, Matthew 24:29-30, Matthew 24:35-44, Mark 13:24-26, Luke 21:25-27, Romans 8:18-23, 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Hebrews 1:10-12, Revelation 6:13-17, Revelation 16:15-20).

The renewal of the earth is carefully tied to the renewal of fallen man; manifestly, as at the beginning so at the end. It is at this finishing stage that all the former consequences of the curse will be eternally removed from the elect through the glorification process. Moreover, this current earth will be simultaneously renewed by way of a fiery renewal.

sovereigngrace · Mar 31, 2020

Andrewn said:
These 2 events as well as Luk 21:27 symbolize Christ's future 2nd coming.

The belief that Jesus came for judgment on the Jewish nation is not orthodox. It's not upheld by Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, or Protestants. Perhaps there is no harm in believing in a symbolic coming in 70 AD so long it's understood that the physical 2nd coming is still in the future.

Exactly, He came to save!

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