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You skipped over what was before, and what was after, that which you highlighted. Did you not consider the verses around that which you highlighted?
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. Rom2:12&13

All who sin apart from the law, non believers will perish apart from the law, they do not have the law but they will perish for they have no saviour from sin. Verse 13 starts ''for'' and is tied to verse 12. If you live under the law it would obviously be no good to just hear the law you would have to obey it to be righteous under it. But then, Paul soon tells us believers cannot be righteous by obeying the law and they are not under the law. As you said, it is one whole letter, Paul did not write in chapters
 
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Context? Good idea.

Galatians 3:1-3
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

Don't stop there. Read on to get the full context.

12 Now the law is not of faith, but who does them "shall be living in them."
 
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All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. Rom2:12&13

All who sin apart from the law, non believers will perish apart from the law, they do not have the law but they will perish for they have no saviour from sin. Verse 13 starts ''for'' and is tied to verse 12. If you live under the law it would obviously be no good to just hear the law you would have to obey it to be righteous under it. But then, Paul soon tells us believers cannot be righteous by obeying the law and they are not under the law. As you said, it is one whole letter, Paul did not write in chapters

If you're guilty of any point in the law; the penalty is death.

Does it matter that after you broke the law, even once, then kept it for the rest of your life perfectly? No. You were supposed to keep it perfectly. The penalty is still death. This is where faith and grace comes in. If you have faith, in YHWH, in other words believe in him, he will show grace. Can you say that you believe his word, yet completely disregard his word? Not likely. If you actually believe; your actions will reflect your belief. Faith without works is a dead faith.

(CLV) Gn 15:6
Now Abram believed on Elohim, and He reckoned it to him for righteousness

(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

(CLV) Ja 2:22
You are observing that faith worked together with his works, and by works was faith perfected.

(CLV) Ja 2:23
And fulfilled was the scripture which is saying, Now "Abraham believes God, and it is reckoned to him for righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."

(CLV) Ja 2:24
You see that by works a man is being justified, and not by faith only.
 
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Don't stop there. Read on to get the full context.

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Lets put the whole chapter up:
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh4 Have you experienced' so much in vain – if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham ‘believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.’

7 Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. 8 Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: ‘All nations will be blessed through you.’ 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

10 For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because ‘the righteous will live by faith.’ The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, ‘The person who does these things will live by them.’ 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

The law and the promise
15 Brothers and sisters, let me take an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or add to a human covenant that has been duly established, so it is in this case. 16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say ‘and to seeds’, meaning many people, but ‘and to your seed’, meaning one person, who is Christ. 17 What I mean is this: the law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. 18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

19 Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was given through angels and entrusted to a mediator. 20 A mediator, however, implies more than one party; but God is one.

21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.

Children of God
23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptised into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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If you're guilty of any point in the law; the penalty is death.

Absolutely, so you cannot be righteous under it.
And if you have to read law written in ink to get conviction of law to follow it is not law the spirit of the living God has placed in your most inward parts
 
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still forgetting to insert verse 12 I see

Oh that's a good one too! Thank you.


(CLV) Ro 2:12
for whoever sinned without law, without law also shall perish, and whoever sinned in law, through law will be judged.
 
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Oh that's a good one too! Thank you.


(CLV) Ro 2:12
for whoever sinned without law, without law also shall perish, and whoever sinned in law, through law will be judged.
Good, if you are under the law you are righteous by obeying the law and will be judged by it. But the believer is not under law
BTW, you never told me how your belief works out in regard to paul the Christian.
You believe Paul the Christian was a slave to breaking God's laws/sin. sin was his master and he was sins slave, and he could not do the good he wanted to do but only the evil he did not want to do. I assume you do not believe you live a holier life than Paul did. Your righteousness of obeying the law doesn't look good for you does it
 
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Good, if you are under the law you are righteous by obeying the law

If you are under the law; it is because you continue transgressing the law.

Those of faith walk in obedience.
 
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If you are under the law; it is because you continue transgressing the law.

Those of faith walk in obedience.
Under the law, as is plainly shown in rom2:12&13 is being under righteousness of obeying the law. Well according to your belief Paul the Christian must have lived under the law whilst preaching the Christian was not under the law. Your theology is not looking good here
 
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If you are under the law; it is because you continue transgressing the law.

Those of faith walk in obedience.
You believe Paul the Christian was a slave to breaking God's laws/sin. sin was his master and he was sins slave, and he could not do the good he wanted to do but only the evil he did not want to do. So Paul the Christian lived under the law?
 
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(CLV) Ro 2:13
For not the listeners to law are just with God, but the doers of law shall be justified.
Bible vs. Bible. - lol

Saint Steven said:
Galatians 2:21
I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!
 
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It is simple really. verses7-11 give a concise description of saul under the law, specifically thou shalt not covet, and verses 14-24 go into detail of failing to obey that particular commandment. You should understand thou shalt not covet is the law being constantly broken in verses14-24


What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.

11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do – this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.

21 So I find this law at work: although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death?
 
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Don't stop there. Read on to get the full context.

12 Now the law is not of faith, but who does them "shall be living in them."
And...

Galatians 3:10-14
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” 11 Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.” 12 The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.” 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
 
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Under the law, as is plainly shown in rom2:12&13 is being under righteousness of obeying the law. Well according to your belief Paul the Christian must have lived under the law whilst preaching the Christian was not under the law. Your theology is not looking good here

I don't know how you come up with this stuff.

Let me break it down for you:

(CLV) Ro 2:12
for whoever sinned without law, without law also shall perish

You sin without the law; you die. Sin is transgression of the law.
So we can say that those who live lawlessly die.


, and whoever sinned in law, through law will be judged.

If you are in the law, but misstep; there will be judgement. You are of faith; but in times of weakness you stray from your walk. You might live; but you'll have to answer for your missteps. You won't have an answer. Let Yahshua speak for you; after what he went through for your salvation, in his perfect walk. It won't be a jolly time.

(CLV) Ro 2:13
For not the listeners to law are just with God, but the doers of law shall be justified.

This verse speaks for itself. I don't understand why you struggle with it. Knowing the law isn't good enough to be justified for your actions. You actually have to act justly. That means complying with the law.
 
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If you are under the law; it is because you continue transgressing the law.

Those of faith walk in obedience.
I will give you an olive branch here. When the bible speaks of sin, it is in two different ways. Sin that all believers will commit, for they cannot perfectly obey the letter of the law. They do not want the sin for they have been born again, but everytime you fail to perfectly obey the letter you will sin in some form or another. But your general lifestyle is one of obedience
Then there is living a lifestyle of sin. Two different things:

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us 1John1:8
The first example of sin

No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.1John3:9
The second example of sin
 
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I don't know how you come up with this stuff.

Let me break it down for you:

(CLV) Ro 2:12
for whoever sinned without law, without law also shall perish

You sin without the law; you die. Sin is transgression of the law.
So we can say that those who live lawlessly die.


, and whoever sinned in law, through law will be judged.

If you are in the law, but misstep; there will be judgement. You are of faith; but in times of weakness you stray from your walk. You might live; but you'll have to answer for your missteps. You won't have an answer. Let Yahshua speak for you; after what he went through for your salvation, in his perfect walk. It won't be a jolly time.

(CLV) Ro 2:13
For not the listeners to law are just with God, but the doers of law shall be justified.

This verse speaks for itself. I don't understand why you struggle with it. Knowing the law isn't good enough to be justified for your actions. You actually have to act justly. That means complying with the law.
I just quote what it plainly states:
All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.(and if you live under the law...) 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

But are Christians under the law? For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.rom6:14
So Christians are not righteous by obeying the law for they do not live under the law. Their righteousness is faith in Christ
 
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14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus

(CLV) Gn 15:6
Now Abram believed ion Elohim, and He reckoned it to him for righteousness

(CLV) Gn 26:5
inasmuch as your father Abraham hearkened to My voice and kept My charge, My instructions, My statutes and My laws.

(CLV) Ja 2:22
You are observing that faith worked together with his works, and by works was faith perfected.

(CLV) Ja 2:23
And fulfilled was the scripture which is saying, Now "Abraham believes God, and it is reckoned to him for righteousness," and he was called "the friend of God."

(CLV) Ja 2:24
You see that by works a man is being justified~, and not by faith only.
 
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Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.
You may get told that refers to the oral law lol
 
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