The topic of Abortion

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Merriam Webster defines pro-abortion as: favoring the legalization of abortion
Interesting idea.
At which point would or should it be appropriate to consider pro-choice or pro-abortion as being pro-infanticide?
 
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Oh Jack, up to your old tricks again!

Merriam Webster defines pro-abortion as: favoring the legalization of abortion

Given that definition, I think Jack himself is pro-abortion.
A little deceitful, no one wants to be "pro abortion" so instead they repackage it as "pro choice" and then deny that they have ever met someone who is pro abortion.
 
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That seems likely, since "pro-choice" is just an arbitrary term chosen because it sounds reasonable.

It would take having a deeper conversation with them in order to realize these such persons (not all people who want freely available abortions on demand) were actually pro abortion.
Kind of like everyone doing what is right in their own eyes.
 
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"They" have social programs. But Pro-Life organizations should cover all the costs and adopt every baby. Or else stay out of it.

Ok. I'll compromise. Pro-Life groups should adopt one baby per year.

Adding a child represents a major financial stress: The cost of raising a child today is $233,610 – excluding the cost of college – for a middle-income family, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture.Feb 26, 2018
No one is forced to keep their baby. They have safe haven laws that allow the mother to leave her baby at the hospital.
 
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It must be common because I know of one similar case with a 12 y.o. who brought her baby to school to show everyone. Ok....her mom did, where my wife was a teacher. And moms boyfriend was in jail. So who is going to raise the kid?
Adoption is available. I dont see how killing the child is better.
 
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Sky, why are you so involved in every abortion topic when you only think abortion is acceptable because it’s currently legal. The moment abortion became illegal where you live you would have to change everything you’re saying.

After all, you believe Daniel actually sinned by praying to God when it was declared illegal.
Yes, he prefers mans law to God's, He says its Gods command to obey the government and that replaces Gods law. Hes very confused.
 
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Adoption is available. I dont see how killing the child is better.
If you convince the mom of that, she will avoid the abortion.
But Pro-Life supporters have every one, dropped the ball.
The failure is entirely on Pro-Lifers to rescue the babies from murder.
I've been one of them. They like to make banners. Making banners
is a hooting good time of fellowship and hot chocolate.

Here is a march to end murders of infants.
Are they ready to take home minority special needs babies?
Or kids: Waiting Children (28) - Spence-Chapin

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St. Mary's Altar Society provided coffee, hot chocolate and cookies to warm the walkers.

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Muskegon Right to Life > Local Events > 2015 Annual March and Memorial for Life
 
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Sky, why are you so involved in every abortion topic when you only think abortion is acceptable because it’s currently legal. The moment abortion became illegal where you live you would have to change everything you’re saying.

I answered that. I would not change my stand.
 
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Yes, he prefers mans law to God's, He says its Gods command to obey the government and that replaces Gods law. Hes very confused.

Jesus claimed that local law was His Father's will.
He backed that statement with his own blood.

John 19:11
Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above.
 
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Jesus claimed that local law was His Father's will.
He backed that claim with his own blood.

John 19:11
Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above.
Yes, but the apostles and the Lord gave us commands too, but you dont seem to believe in following those commands.
 
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That seems likely, since "pro-choice" is just an arbitrary term chosen because it sounds reasonable.

It would take having a deeper conversation with them in order to realize these such persons (not all people who want freely available abortions on demand) were actually pro abortion.
Margaret Sanger was Pro-Abortion. I've never heard of another one.
 
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@SkyWriting And Jesus never claimed that local law was Gods will. It was Gods will that Jesus be handed over to them yes, but they were not justified in Gods eyes. Jesus was innocent. Its not Gods will to commit injustice.

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law: ‘They hated me without reason.’[c]
 
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@SkyWriting And Jesus never claimed that local law was Gods will. It was Gods will that Jesus be handed over to them yes, but they were not justified in Gods eyes. Jesus was innocent. Its not Gods will to commit injustice.

Ah so men have power over God's will?
Yes, some do believe that.
I would claim the following passages disagree.

Psalm 147:5
Great is our Lord, and abundant in power; his understanding is beyond measure.

1 John 3:20
For whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.

Hebrews 4:13
And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

Jeremiah 1:5
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the evil and the good.

Isaiah 40:28
Have you not known? Have you not heard? The Lord is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He does not faint or grow weary; his understanding is unsearchable.

1 Chronicles 28:9
“And you, Solomon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a whole heart and with a willing mind, for the Lord searches all hearts and understands every plan and thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will cast you off forever.

Acts 1:24
And they prayed and said, “You, Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which one of these two you have chosen

Jeremiah 23:24
Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord.

Psalm 147:4
He determines the number of the stars; he gives to all of them their names.

Job 28:24
For he looks to the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.

Isaiah 42:9
Behold, the former things have come to pass, and new things I now declare;
before they spring forth I tell you of them.”

Isaiah 46:9-10
Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’

Psalm 147:4-5
He determines the number of the stars; he gives to all of them their names. Great is our Lord, and abundant in power; his understanding is beyond measure.

Psalm 139:1-4
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. O Lord, you have searched me and known me! You know when I sit down and when I rise up; you discern my thoughts from afar. You search out my path and my lying down and are acquainted with all my ways. Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O Lord, you know it altogether.

Psalm 139:4
Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O Lord, you know it altogether.

1 Corinthians 2:11
For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’

Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

Matthew 10:29-30
Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.

1 Kings 8:39
Then hear in heaven your dwelling place and forgive and act and render to each whose heart you know, according to all his ways (for you, you only, know the hearts of all the children of mankind),

Romans 1:20
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Psalm 139:1-24
To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. O Lord, you have searched me and known me! You know when I sit down and when I rise up; you discern my thoughts from afar. You search out my path and my lying down and are acquainted with all my ways. Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O Lord, you know it altogether. You hem me in, behind and before, and lay your hand upon me. ...

Psalm 56:8
You have kept count of my tossings; put my tears in your bottle. Are they not in your book?

Matthew 6:8
Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Job 37:16
Do you know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him who is perfect in knowledge,

Proverbs 5:21
For a man's ways are before the eyes of the Lord, and he ponders all his paths.

Psalm 33:13-15
The Lord looks down from heaven; he sees all the children of man; from where he sits enthroned he looks out on all the inhabitants of the earth, he who fashions the hearts of them all and observes all their deeds.

Acts 2:23
This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.
 
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@SkyWriting It was Gods will that Jesus be handed over to them yes, but they were not justified in Gods eyes. Jesus was innocent. Its not Gods will to commit injustice.

It was exactly that.

John 19:11
Jesus answered him, “You (Mr. Local Law) would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above.

And earlier in the day:
50 Jesus replied, Do what you came for, friend.”[d]

Then the men stepped forward, seized Jesus and arrested him. 51 With that, one of Jesus’ companions reached for his sword, drew it out and struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his ear.

52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?
 
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A little deceitful, no one wants to be "pro abortion" so instead they repackage it as "pro choice" and then deny that they have ever met someone who is pro abortion.
No woman has ever enjoyed an abortion nor wishes it on another person.
Ne person is in favor of abortions except for those who have stated they would prefer that minorities have them rather than reproduce. And finding those people is rare.
 
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Ah so men have power over God's will?
Yes, some do believe that.
Men disobey Gods will every day.


Romans 10:21 But to Israel he says:

“All day long I have stretched out My hands
To a disobedient and contrary people.”
 
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Men disobey Gods will every day.
Romans 10:21 But to Israel he says:
“All day long I have stretched out My hands
To a disobedient and contrary people.”

Paul was the worst sinner and not too bright on theology.
There are a few concepts like Grace that never sunk in.
 
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