LEARN IT! THAT'S AN ORDER!

Jamdoc said:

How was it about sex? Adam and Eve were married, it wouldn't be sin for them to have sex, it's odd that they went an unrecorded amount of time in the garden being full grown man and woman, married, and never had sex but they didn't until they left the garden as far as I know. But sex between a married man and woman isn't sin? Hebrews 13:4

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I think it was about conscience. They disobeyed God, by doing something (eating from the tree), sin entered the world at that point, and then sin caused their conscience to trouble them. All because of the lie of the serpent, in conspiracy with Satan.

Which leads me to believe that the serpent must have had a self interest, a deal with Satan, that if he did the deed to get Adam and Eve to disobey God causing them to fall, he would get to rule the world. And is the beast, a disembodied spirit, now in the bottomless pit. Which that deal with Satan, is going to play out to for that original serpent spirit to possess the arch villain of the end times that last 42 months in Revelation 13; ultimately though to the destruction of Satan's kingdom, and the demise of Satan himself.

James Honigman said:

Now, learn the parable of the fig tree. That's an order, soldier! Our Commander did not say, "If you get a chance to" or "Maybe you should". No, Jesus Christ gave us an order to learn the parable of the fig tree. Why, what's so important about learning that parable? Because if we learn it, we understand what generation will be the final generation for us, for mankind. That's important to know, right? For those who may not know, our Beloved gave us that order in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. Please read it, if you never have.


The parable of the fig tree starts in the Garden of Eden and ends in the New Testament but the heart of the parable is in the book of Jeremiah. The parable goes throughout the whole Bible, but I don't believe in long posts, so allow me to just give highlights from the beginning, ending and middle of the parable. It is about the trials and tribulations of the Jewish people. The fig tree always represents Israel in the Bible.


The sin in the Garden of Eden was not about eating a forbidden apple, it was about sex. Satan was trying to compromise the Seed line of Jesus Christ, through Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David . . . When Adam and Eve were seduced by the devil, their sin, their disobedience to God,had to be covered, so we have the beginning of the parable.


And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Genesis 3:7


Despite repeated attempts by Satan to destroy the righteous fig tree Seed line of Christ he ultimately failed after the final temptation of Christ in Matthew 4 when he told our Beloved: All these things will I give Thee, if Thou wilt fall down and worship me. Notice that Satan had the power until our Lord went on the cross and took it from him. Here is the end of the parable of the fig tree.


Jesus was hungry and He went to a far away fig tree to get something to eat. When He and His disciples got there they found it to be empty for the time of the figs was not yet. The figs were not to come for another 2,000 years, so He cursed the fig tree. Then, the next morning, they were walking past the fig tree again and Peter was astonished saying, Master, behold, the fig tree which Thou cursedst is withered away. Our Lord's answer to Peter is equally astonishing.


And Jesus answering saith unto them, "Have faith in God." Mark 11.22


Have faith in God? That is a bewildering answer to Peter unless you understand the fig tree had to be withered for the next 2,000 years so that the fullness of the Gentiles could come in. Okay, I'm not trying to confuse anyone so let me say it plainly. The Jewish people have been used in their disbelief of Christ to enlarge the tent of God to include the Gentile nations. This has lasted since the Lord walked the earth, and now what?


Now go back to those 3 chapters mentioned in the 1st paragraph of this post and understand that the fig tree is putting forth leaves and that summer, harvest time, is near. How do we know that? Because in 1948 the leaves began to return to the fig tree. If the Lord has blessed you with eyes to see and ears to hear go to the heart of the parable now, Jeremiah 24.


Now, read the heart of the parable of the fig tree and answer for yourself WHO those two baskets of figs set before the Temple of The LORD in 1948 are. Now you understand the parable of the fig tree and why This generation shall not pass.

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Well, I must disagree with your interpretation, in part. The Garden of Eden represents God's righteousness. A place where man cannot attain but must be created in by God. Adam and Eve are Israel while the various animals in Eden are the Gentiles, aka Peter's vision in Acts.

The Tree of Life is Jesus and the Tree of Knowledge is the Law, which brings death. Adam and Eve eating the fruit is Israel placing themselves under the Mosaic Law. Adam is cursed to till the ground, which represents the works of man, and is kicked out of Righteousness and an angel protects Eden so Israel cannot return to righteousness through believing which came from Abraham, the roots of the fig tree.

Jesus, is the light of Genesis. In the beginning... If you count the years of from creation until Abraham you come up with 1948 and if you count the years from Jesus's birth you find the birth of the Jewish State of Israel was established in 1948 AD.

Taking it a bit further, Abraham was called out of Babylon at the age of 75. If this is prophesy, then will we see the tribes of Israel called out from Muslim lands in 2023, 75 years after the birth of Israel?

Yarddog said:

Well, I must disagree with your interpretation, in part. The Garden of Eden represents God's righteousness. A place where man cannot attain but must be created in by God. Adam and Eve are Israel while the various animals in Eden are the Gentiles, aka Peter's vision in Acts.

The Tree of Life is Jesus and the Tree of Knowledge is the Law, which brings death. Adam and Eve eating the fruit is Israel placing themselves under the Mosaic Law. Adam is cursed to till the ground, which represents the works of man, and is kicked out of Righteousness and an angel protects Eden so Israel cannot return to righteousness through believing which came from Abraham, the roots of the fig tree.

Jesus, is the light of Genesis. In the beginning... If you count the years of from creation until Abraham you come up with 1948 and if you count the years from Jesus's birth you find the birth of the Jewish State of Israel was established in 1948 AD.

Taking it a bit further, Abraham was called out of Babylon at the age of 75. If this is prophesy, then will we see the tribes of Israel called out from Muslim lands in 2023, 75 years after the birth of Israel?

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What do you mean Jews called out of Muslim lands in 2023? Arab Jews left in 1948, 1953, 1956, 1967 and in 1973. I don't understand your thinking.

summerville said:

What do you mean Jews called out of Muslim lands in 2023? Arab Jews left in 1948, 1953, 1956, 1967 and in 1973. I don't understand your thinking.

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I said tribes of Israel. Most of the 10 tribes of Israel were taken by the Assyrians and they were assimilated into the tribes of modern day Iraq and Iran.

Yarddog said:

I said tribes of Israel. Most of the 10 tribes of Israel were taken by the Assyrians and they were assimilated into the tribes of modern day Iraq and Iran.

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If the people of Iraq and Iran are the lost tribes of Israel, then Jesus' mission failed. Matthew 15:24
But plainly they aren't. Israel migrated across Europe and left waymarks, [Dolmens] Jeremiah 31:21, to mark the way for their eventual return to the holy Land. Soon to happen!

summerville said:

Yes. He said THIS generation.

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As what He said didn't happen in the first century, then He must have been referring to us, who have seen the 'fig tree', the Jews bud and blossom; as they develop a small part of the holy land.
The plain English of that verse can be understood either way; the generation then, or those alive now, who have actually seen what Jesus prophesied happen.
Thinking it did happen in Pauls time, is rather ridiculous, as far from Judah prospering, they were killed or enslaved.

Yarddog said:

I said tribes of Israel. Most of the 10 tribes of Israel were taken by the Assyrians and they were assimilated into the tribes of modern day Iraq and Iran.

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OK.. Persian Jews didn't go to Israel.

If you read about individual countries, Arab Jews were rather prosperous until Israel came along.

I lived in Libya briefly in the late 1960s and the women that supported the arts were Christian expats, Jews and Muslims. I have some really beautiful porcelain figurines from that period.

Of course Gaddafi took over in 1969 and he was an illiterate ass.. Trump always reminds me of Gaddafi. We lived across the street from the US embassy just a couple doors down from the Palace.

keras said:

Jesus wasn't referring to a generational change, but to those people born after the event He specified. Which was the re-establishment of a Jewish nation in the holy Land.

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Show us your work, use lots of paper. That passage clearly states that the events would happen while the ones he was talking to were still alive. Everything, he says, is going to happen in your (the disciples standing there) life time. At no point does he say the events will happen after that generation passes. He says it will happen BEFORE the current generation passes. Where specifically do you see anything he says which references a distant or future generation?

This Generation will live to see it all:

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Exactly. "This" meaning the generation that existed at that time.

Luke 21:29-36 Jesus told them a parable: Look at the fig tree, as soon as it buds you can tell that summer is near. In the same way when you see all this happening, you will know that the Kingdom of God is near. Truly, I tell you the present generation will live to see it all. My words will never pass away.

Again - the "present" generation. The one standing there at the time he uttered the words. Not the future generation but the one that existed right then.

The present generation - or the generation present: the same thing. When they see Judah become a nation again, we will know the end times are upon us.

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Nope. Not just any generation that happens to be "present" but the present generation, the one existing at that time. Trying to say that "present generation" and the "generation present" mean the same thing is absurd. They do not mean the same thing. One means current and the other means any generation that happens to be there when the event occurs.

The fig tree – Israel is the vine, Judah is the fig tree:

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Not in this context. In this context the fig tree is merely an example of a sign of a season. The sign that it is spring and fruit will be forthcoming is its budding leaves. Just as the signs he gave them were an indication that the prophecy was about to be completed.

The great Day – The Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the multi prophesied judgement/punishment of the nations, an event that will come unexpectedly, sudden and shocking all those who have failed to understand the Lord's plans and purposes. Isaiah 29:5-12, Isaiah 66:15-16, Revelation 6:12-17

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There are many "days of the Lord" in old testament prophecy which do not refer to the "Last Day" or day of judgement. The coming of Christ is called the "Great day of the Lord." The day of Pentecost is referred to as "the great and awesome day of the Lord." Clearly there are many of these days and they all refer to the completion of one or another prophecy, including the capture and kidnap of Israel to Babylon. They do not all refer to the Judgement Day. Reading the bible like this will cause nothing but confusion. What you'r'e doing is called "illegitimate totality transfer." You're putting all of the definitions of one particular phrase or word everywhere you see it written. Bad practice.

That Day will come upon everyone – There is no ‘rapture’ at this time, all will go through this judgement. Isaiah 24:1, Psalms 50:1-3, Zephaniah 3:8

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On the day of Judgement Jesus and Paul both say that everyone, all, are going to be resurrected.

Strength to pass safely through – This is often mistranslated as ‘escape all these things’, which is a serious error and is incorrect, as the previous sentence has just stated ‘that Day will come upon everyone’. What the Lord promises, is not a removal from earth – an escape as such, but protection. Psalms 91, Isaiah 43:1-2

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Which was the point of telling them what was to happen and thus the instructions to leave Jerusalem and flee to the hills. On the day of Judgement, this would be an absurd thing to do. Jesus wasn't talking about the day of judgement here.

The presence of the Son of Man – Jesus called Himself the ‘Son of Man’, when He was present on earth in a human body. This was necessary so as He could become our ‘kinsman Redeemer’. After the great Day of the Lord, when every faithful Christian has gathered in the holy Land, they will stand in His presence when the 144,000 are selected; Revelation 14:1. Then, later at His glorious Return, His Name will be ‘The Word of God’. Revelation 19:13

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Not literal presence in this instance (Matt. 24). He never says he's coming in person but that they would see "the sign of the Son of Man coming on the clouds." He was coming in Judgement on Jerusalem and to make plain that the old covenant was utterly gone. That's why he says in Revelation that the Jews who were not Jews ("One is not a Jew who is one outwardly") were a "synagogue of Satan."

At his second coming he will literally be present but we go to meet him in the air, we do not flee to the hills above Jerusalem.

keras said:

As what He said didn't happen in the first century

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If it didn't happen in the first century, then he was lying.

summerville said:

These Christian Zionists are a rotten bunch who sold out Palestinian Christians decades ago.

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And all of the other Christians in the region. Israel barely tolerates Christians and even then only the ones they've bought off to promote their crappy, totalitarian state.

Jamdoc said:

I hate to put dates on bible prophecy, we all know we're in the end times but we've been in the end times for decades. I agree 1948 was the beginning of when biblical prophecy *could* come to pass, but hard to put an actual date even within decades.

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The modern state of Israel was by no stretch of the imagination built in a single day. That prophecy was about Jesus, not the modern state of Israel.

I may be a premilleniallist, but I am not a zionist by any means, I think trying to accelerate towards the day of the Lord is a foolish idea, God doesn't need our help to return.
I also recognize the modern state of "Israel" to be a wicked place and wicked Christ rejecting government.

James Honigman said:

Now, learn the parable of the fig tree. That's an order, soldier! Our Commander did not say, "If you get a chance to" or "Maybe you should". No, Jesus Christ gave us an order to learn the parable of the fig tree. Why, what's so important about learning that parable? Because if we learn it, we understand what generation will be the final generation for us, for mankind. That's important to know, right? For those who may not know, our Beloved gave us that order in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21. Please read it, if you never have.


The parable of the fig tree starts in the Garden of Eden and ends in the New Testament but the heart of the parable is in the book of Jeremiah. The parable goes throughout the whole Bible, but I don't believe in long posts, so allow me to just give highlights from the beginning, ending and middle of the parable. It is about the trials and tribulations of the Jewish people. The fig tree always represents Israel in the Bible.


The sin in the Garden of Eden was not about eating a forbidden apple, it was about sex. Satan was trying to compromise the Seed line of Jesus Christ, through Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David . . . When Adam and Eve were seduced by the devil, their sin, their disobedience to God,had to be covered, so we have the beginning of the parable.


And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Genesis 3:7


Despite repeated attempts by Satan to destroy the righteous fig tree Seed line of Christ he ultimately failed after the final temptation of Christ in Matthew 4 when he told our Beloved: All these things will I give Thee, if Thou wilt fall down and worship me. Notice that Satan had the power until our Lord went on the cross and took it from him. Here is the end of the parable of the fig tree.


Jesus was hungry and He went to a far away fig tree to get something to eat. When He and His disciples got there they found it to be empty for the time of the figs was not yet. The figs were not to come for another 2,000 years, so He cursed the fig tree. Then, the next morning, they were walking past the fig tree again and Peter was astonished saying, Master, behold, the fig tree which Thou cursedst is withered away. Our Lord's answer to Peter is equally astonishing.


And Jesus answering saith unto them, "Have faith in God." Mark 11.22


Have faith in God? That is a bewildering answer to Peter unless you understand the fig tree had to be withered for the next 2,000 years so that the fullness of the Gentiles could come in. Okay, I'm not trying to confuse anyone so let me say it plainly. The Jewish people have been used in their disbelief of Christ to enlarge the tent of God to include the Gentile nations. This has lasted since the Lord walked the earth, and now what?


Now go back to those 3 chapters mentioned in the 1st paragraph of this post and understand that the fig tree is putting forth leaves and that summer, harvest time, is near. How do we know that? Because in 1948 the leaves began to return to the fig tree. If the Lord has blessed you with eyes to see and ears to hear go to the heart of the parable now, Jeremiah 24.


Now, read the heart of the parable of the fig tree and answer for yourself WHO those two baskets of figs set before the Temple of The LORD in 1948 are. Now you understand the parable of the fig tree and why This generation shall not pass.

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A fig was on the branch before the leaves sprouted in the spring. These are early figs. According to the Talmud, poor people ate unripe figs like these. Jesus went to look for figs on a Mt of Olives fig tree but found none. A good gardener would not want a barren unproductive tree in his garden.

What are the signs of the coming kingdom of God?

keras said:

If the people of Iraq and Iran are the lost tribes of Israel, then Jesus' mission failed. Matthew 15:24

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There is nothing to say that the tribes of the Northern Kingdom migrated to Europe. Josephus wrote in the 1st century, "the ten tribes are beyond the Euphrates till now, and are an immense multitude and not to be estimated in numbers". Abraham was called out from beyond the Euphrates at the age of 75.

summerville said:

OK.. Persian Jews didn't go to Israel.

If you read about individual countries, Arab Jews were rather prosperous until Israel came along.

I lived in Libya briefly in the late 1960s and the women that supported the arts were Christian expats, Jews and Muslims. I have some really beautiful porcelain figurines from that period.

Of course Gaddafi took over in 1969 and he was an illiterate ass.. Trump always reminds me of Gaddafi. We lived across the street from the US embassy just a couple doors down from the Palace.

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The lost tribes of Israel were assimilated into the native people's and lost their Jewish identity.

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If it didn't happen in the first century, then he was lying.

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Well it didn't happen then.
Obviously Jesus was prophesying, for the near or far future. We know from the historical record that what He said had never yet occurred until the Jewish State of Israel was established and Luke 21:25-28 remain to happen in the future.

Yarddog said:

The lost tribes of Israel were assimilated into the native people's and lost their Jewish identity.

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The 10 Northern tribes of Israel have been assimilated into every nation, but most belong in the Western nations. Proved by how they have accepted Christianity; Jesus mission has succeeded. Matthew 15:24

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Too much left out. Fig trees bear twice a year and the good figs were taken into exile in Babylon while the bad figs were left behind.

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The bad figs left behind???

Per Jer.24, the good figs represent Judah, but the evil figs we are not told who they are, but are told they too would be brought with Judah back to the land.

Jer 24:5-6
5 Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel; Like these good figs, so will I acknowledge them that are carried away captive of Judah, whom I have sent out of this place into the land of the Chaldeans for their good.
6 For I will set mine eyes upon them for good, and I will bring them again to this land: and I will build them, and not pull them down; and I will plant them, and not pluck them up.
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Jer 24:8-9
8 And as the evil figs, which cannot be eaten, they are so evil; surely thus saith the LORD, So will I give Zedekiah the king of Judah, and his princes, and the residue of Jerusalem, that remain in this land, and them that dwell in the land of Egypt:
9 And I will deliver them to be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth for their hurt, to be a reproach and a proverb, a taunt and a curse, in all places whither I shall drive them.
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The following is some of those returning from the 70 years captivity in Babylon that were with the remnant of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi...

Ezra 2:58-62
58 All the Nethinims, and the children of Solomon's servants, were three hundred ninety and two.
59 And these were they which went up from Tel-melah, Tel-harsa, Cherub, Addan, and Immer: but they could not shew their father's house, and their seed, whether they were of Israel:
60 The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda, six hundred fifty and two.
61 And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name:
62 These sought their register among those that were reckoned by genealogy, but they were not found: therefore were they, as polluted, put from the priesthood.
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The Nethinims were the left-overs of the Canaanite foreigners which Israel was not able to destroy per God's commandment (1 Kings 9:19-21; Judges 2, 3, 9).

That reveals the bad figs also went into captivity along with the house of Judah to Babylon, and also a remnant of those bad figs returned with the remnant of the house of Judah back to Jerusalem to build the city again and 2nd temple. The Nethinims are seen established in the City of David at tower Ophel (Nehemiah 11:21).

Neh 11:3
3 Now these are the chief of the province that dwelt in Jerusalem: but in the cities of Judah dwelt every one in his possession in their cities, to wit, Israel, the priests, and the Levites, and the Nethinims, and the children of Solomon's servants.
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keras said:

Well it didn't happen then.
Obviously Jesus was prophesying, for the near or far future. We know from the historical record that what He said had never yet occurred until the Jewish State of Israel was established and Luke 21:25-28 remain to happen in the future.

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He said specifically that he was prophesying in the near future. And the historical record actually supports his words. The reason people often don't accept this is because of the grandiose language of the prophecy which was symbolic. The powers shaken in the heavens was referring to the authority of the Jewish leaders, not literal heavenly powers. God refers to the king of Baylon in Isaiah 13 as a star. It's not about Satan but a human king. That word 'lucifer' (Latin) was inappropriately translated from the Latin to a proper name but that word lucifer isn't a name at all and never was.

"32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place."

And he explained that the abomination of desolation was armies surrounding Jerusalem. We know that this happened and we know that his church escaped and that, as he said, his people were gathered up ( by his angels) and saved from the destruction that was about to happen.

Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?

The whole prophecy in Isaiah 66 is about redemption and destruction. It has nothing to do with the state of Israel.

"19 I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and Pul and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles."

Those who escaped the destruction of Jerusalem preached and proclaimed the kingdom of God to the gentiles, just as Isaiah prophesied.

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He said specifically that he was prophesying in the near future. And the historical record actually supports his words. The reason people often don't accept this is because of the grandiose language of the prophecy which was symbolic. The powers shaken in the heavens was referring to the authority of the Jewish leaders, not literal heavenly powers. God refers to the king of Baylon in Isaiah 13 as a star. It's not about Satan but a human king. That word 'lucifer' (Latin) was inappropriately translated from the Latin to a proper name but that word lucifer isn't a name at all and never was.

"32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place."

And he explained that the abomination of desolation was armies surrounding Jerusalem. We know that this happened and we know that his church escaped and that, as he said, his people were gathered up ( by his angels) and saved from the destruction that was about to happen.

Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day?
Or shall a nation be born at once?

The whole prophecy in Isaiah 66 is about redemption and destruction. It has nothing to do with the state of Israel.

"19 I will set a sign among them; and those among them who escape I will send to the nations: to Tarshish and Pul and Lud, who draw the bow, and Tubal and Javan, to the coastlands afar off who have not heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they shall declare My glory among the Gentiles."

Those who escaped the destruction of Jerusalem preached and proclaimed the kingdom of God to the gentiles, just as Isaiah prophesied.

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Sorry, but you simply have been deceived about our Lord Jesus' Olivet discourse. His discourse parallels the Seals of Revelation 6, so then are you telling us the whole Book of Revelation our Lord Jesus gave to His servant John circa 96 A.D. is already history??? If that's a yes to that, then it shows you really haven't studied what all the Rev.6 Seals are about.

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Sorry, but you simply have been deceived about our Lord Jesus' Olivet discourse. His discourse parallels the Seals of Revelation 6, so then are you telling us the whole Book of Revelation our Lord Jesus gave to His servant John circa 96 A.D. is already history??? If that's a yes to that, then it shows you really haven't studied what all the Rev.6 Seals are about.

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If I am deceived, then I am deceived by Jesus' own words and that's ok with me. He said that what he was prophesying would happen in their generation and I believe him. You don't have to believe him and I can't make you do that.

You are trying to equate Matthew 24 with Revelation but that isn't appropriate exegesis.