Do the unborn have rights?

See post 356.

Albion said:

See post 356.

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So why does the bible command the abortions of adulteresses (Numbers 5:20-28)?

And why does the bible command genocide, including butchering children and the unborn (Deuteronomy 7:16) as described when Joshua et al butchered all the children and unborn (Josh 6:21 8:26 10:37 Deut 2:34 7:2)?

But did Joshua and his murdering thugs eat the children and unborn as commanded in Deut 28:53, or did they just feed them to their dogs?

Aldebaran said:

And that's your choice to believe that the ten commandments are "man made". However, history tells us otherwise.

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What history says that the ten commandments etc are not just man-made, given that they did not apply to Abraham et al and their ancestors, nor to our aborigines who arrived here over 50,000 years before Adam's grandmother was a girl?

Aldebaran said:

Why do you cite those "just words in a book" after dismissing our claims of things said in the exact same book? It sounds like you're just picking and choosing which words you think helps your own case while dismissing all the others.

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It still doesn't change the fact that the bible commands the abortions of adulteresses (Numbers 5:20-28) and that only a fine is imposed if a woman miscarries after being assaulted and that the "tooth for a tooth" law only applies to the woman if she loses a tooth or is killed from the assault.

Aldebaran said:

I've noticed that all your biblical references are from the Old Testament. Did you ever see what Jesus says about those things in the New Testament?

Matthew 5:38-39
"You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.' "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

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So what has that got to do with the commandments in Numbers 5:20-28 and Exodus 21:22, or are you trying to point out some of the numerous biblical contradictions and inconsistencies and scientific untruths?

But either way it still doesn't change the fact that the bible commands the abortions of adulteresses (Numbers 5:20-28) and that only a fine is imposed if a woman miscarries after being assaulted and that the "tooth for a tooth" law only applies to the woman if she loses a tooth or is killed from the assault.

Aldebaran said:

I was attempting to show you where the bible itself explains what you're asking about.

But it does put it in perspective.

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The only perspective is that the bible was written by men, for men, about a small group of men and their laws and customs and history and myths, including the gods they created in their images and likenesses. And that those laws change as society changes, which is why capital punishment has been abolished in civilized countries.

Aldebaran said:

Try reading the whole thing sometime to get a better perspective.

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I have read the whole thing, and doesn't change anything, and that the bible was written by men, for men, about a small group of men and their laws and customs and history and myths, including the gods they created in their images and likenesses. And those fantasy stories about talking snakes and talking bushes have no more credibility than other fantasies such as the Dreamtime stories, or how Frodo saved the world.

NxNW said:

That argument doesn't hold much water for people who don't believe Jesus ever existed.

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Those people need to provide a motive for the deception.

Mitty said:

I have read the whole thing, and doesn't change anything, and that the bible was written by men, for men, about a small group of men and their laws and customs and history and myths, including the gods they created in their images and likenesses. And those fantasy stories about talking snakes and talking bushes have no more credibility than other fantasies such as the Dreamtime stories, or how Frodo saved the world.

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Well.......thanks to Bilbo.

Aldebaran said:

Ok.
So why are you on a site called "Christian Forums"? Are you open to being convinced that perhaps those things aren't actually fantasies?

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I am here to enlighten, which is why less than 10% ever bother to go to church now, and why more than 30% claimed to have no religious affiliation on the last census compared to 22% on the previous census.
Indeed, one of my father's cousins was a Melbourne Anglican Archbishop but I understand that his children are no longer believers.

And do you believe that once upon a time Abraham had a face to face chat with a god about the number of righteous children in Gomorrah when they shared a meal together, and how the god then walked down to Gomorrah to count them for itself since it was neither an omniscient or omnipresent type of god (Gen 18)?

Mitty said:

I am here to enlighten, which is why less than 10% ever bother to go to church now, and why more than 30% claimed to have no religious affiliation on the last

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It appears that this part of this forum's Statement of Purpose answers the question:

This is not a forum where Christians are asked to defend their faith against objections and criticism from non-believers. Non-Christian members who would like to challenge Christian theology, beliefs and practices, should start a thread in the Christian Apologetics forum.

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SkyWriting said:

Well.......thanks to Bilbo.

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And more entertaining and better written than stories about talking snakes and talking bushes.

Mitty said:

And more entertaining and better written than stories about talking snakes and talking bushes.

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Do you enjoy reading them? If not, what is your motivation
for reading them?

Albion said:

It appears that this part of this forum's Statement of Purpose answers the question:

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The Apologetics forums are only open for those with over 100 postings and 5 likes.
But it still doesn't change the fact that the bible commands the abortions of adulteresses (Numbers 5:20-28) which is why only a fine is imposed for property loss when a women miscarries after being assaulted (Exodus 21:22)