6 year old arrested at school

GOD Shines Forth! said:

You mean officially, as Singapore does? It might be worth trying, and keep some out of the hoosegow.

(I’m thinking more of 18-adulthood)

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Yes, but no need to have 18 be the cutoff point. If they're taking the gloves off by performing armed robbery, then the gloves come off when dealing with them.

Mountainmanbob said:

Kids that can't control themselves and hit others need to be placed in Special Ed.

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Perhaps she does. But we went from being six years old to being arrested. This is absurd. I’m guessing there’s something really wrong here and government intervention is the last thing this girl needs.

Mountainmanbob said:

Florida girl, 6, begs for help while being arrested, police bodycam video shows | Fox News

A sobbing 6-year-old Florida girl begged Orlando cops to let her go as she was arrested at school for hitting three employees, disturbing police bodycam video shows.

The footage, released by the family of Kaia Rolle late Monday, shows the first-grader breaking down as she is restrained with zip ties on Sept. 19 at Lucious and Emma Nixon Academy Charter School.

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Well, what she did is considered assault and teachers are seeing more and more of this now days.

One teacher that I know very well was assaulted by a student causing to her great bodily harm. She has had neck operations and her back is in terrible shape and she will be crippled for the rest of her life.

I'm sure that the little girl was turned over to her parents -- no real harm done to her. Will she learn a lesson? Only if her parents do their part. Which usually is not seen these days.

M-Bob

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Wow, I think that is totally unnecessary to handcuff a 6 year old girl, that will probably traumatize her and cause her to violently assault some teacher when she gets older. Don't get me wrong she shouldn't be hitting people, but there is a right way and a wrong way to handle such a situation. It would of been better if someone took her aside to speak to her with patience & love and explain that what she done is wrong. Love & discipline begins in the home, true, but love & understanding SHOULD be common sense in the broader community.

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Aussie Pete said:

Yes, that's true. One 11 year old boy in Australia has been released on bail 10 times. His crimes are robbery with a weapon, including knives and a screwdriver. There are child gangs breaking into homes, stealing cars, assaulting people. How do we deal with kids who have such contempt for authority, people's property and safety?

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Such kids are damaged by a dysfunctional home life and if they are that bad, then they need to be taken away from their parents and placed into a loving environment where they can be taught to develop normally, but that won't happen in this world.

Sketcher said:

Start with caning them.

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That won't work in such a situation because you will be damaging an already damaged person who has hardened their skin and is heading for a life of crime. They are victims of a dysfunctional family and need to be removed from that family and put into a loving home life - if that were possible, where they can get the security they need to develop and learn self-respect which translates into respect for their fellow man. Some of these kids have terrible scars on their hearts and caning them just hardens them. Discipline without love is useless.

Ironically caning will only work for those who already come from a loving & disciplined home.

Paulus59 said:

Wow, I think that is totally unnecessary to handcuff a 6 year old girl, that will probably traumatize her and cause her to violently assault some teacher when she gets older. Don't get me wrong she shouldn't be hitting people, but there is a right way and a wrong way to handle such a situation. It would of been better if someone took her aside to speak to her with patience & love and explain that what she done is wrong. Love & discipline begins in the home, true, but love & understanding SHOULD be common sense in the broader community.

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Nice in theory. Who is the "someone"? Telling kids that their behaviour is wrong has been tried and has failed. That's what has got us into this mess in the first place. Unless there are consequences, kids just rebel. Many children are allowed to do as they please from birth. They get a car licence and proceed to drive like lunatics. The police express shock and horror. Give me a break. What do they expect? Instant change of heart because a kid gets behind the wheel? Not in the real world.

Aussie Pete said:

Nice in theory. Who is the "someone"? Telling kids that their behaviour is wrong has been tried and has failed. That's what has got us into this mess in the first place. Unless there are consequences, kids just rebel. Many children are allowed to do as they please from birth. They get a car licence and proceed to drive like lunatics. The police express shock and horror. Give me a break. What do they expect? Instant change of heart because a kid gets behind the wheel? Not in the real world.

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It's not theory, you just don't handcuff a 6 year old period! Yes, some kids have been allowed to do what they want from birth and that is called a dysfunctional family where no love or discipline is applied. The parents obviously don't know how to bring up children because the parents have no insight, it's a case of the blind leading the blind.

The "someone" who should talk to these kids are, first their parents (or should be) and second a well-trained teacher. A teacher is more that someone who teaches, they should also be an ad hoc guardian to apply wisdom in circumstances when required. It's not about "telling" these kids their behaviour is wrong is about talking to them with love & patience and letting them know that what they are doing is wrong, there is a difference in how the message is conveyed that determines how it will be received.

Yes, it's easily said than done because we live in a fallen world, but that doesn't mean we support unethical practices of handcuffing 6 year old kids, that's just plain rediculous.

Paulus59 said:

It's not theory, you just don't handcuff a 6 year old period! Yes, some kids have been allowed to do what they want from birth and that is called a dysfunctional family where no love or discipline is applied. The parents obviously don't know how to bring up children because the parents have no insight, it's a case of the blind leading the blind.

The "someone" who should talk to these kids are, first their parents (or should be) and second a well-trained teacher. A teacher is more that someone who teaches, they should also be an ad hoc guardian to apply wisdom in circumstances when required. It's not about "telling" these kids their behaviour is wrong is about talking to them with love & patience and letting them know that what they are doing is wrong, there is a difference in how the message is conveyed that determines how it will be received.

Yes, it's easily said than done because we live in a fallen world, but that doesn't mean we support unethical practices of handcuffing 6 year old kids, that's just plain rediculous.

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Teachers have apparently become de facto parents, psychologists, behavioural therapists, referees and punching bags. Social engineering progressives took parenting away from parents decades ago, at least in Australia. Surely we are reaping exactly what we have sown. Somewhere along the line teachers have to do what they were employed to do. I planned to become a teacher when I left the military. One of my roles was as an instructor. I loved it. I am delighted that I took a different path.

Mountainmanbob said:

Florida girl, 6, begs for help while being arrested, police bodycam video shows | Fox News

A sobbing 6-year-old Florida girl begged Orlando cops to let her go as she was arrested at school for hitting three employees, disturbing police bodycam video shows.

The footage, released by the family of Kaia Rolle late Monday, shows the first-grader breaking down as she is restrained with zip ties on Sept. 19 at Lucious and Emma Nixon Academy Charter School.

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Well, what she did is considered assault and teachers are seeing more and more of this now days.

One teacher that I know very well was assaulted by a student causing to her great bodily harm. She has had neck operations and her back is in terrible shape and she will be crippled for the rest of her life.

I'm sure that the little girl was turned over to her parents -- no real harm done to her. Will she learn a lesson? Only if her parents do their part. Which usually is not seen these days.

M-Bob

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Captivating History: Cultural Revolution describes an example of organized persecution of educators, which sounds superficially similar

Paulus59 said:

It's not theory, you just don't handcuff a 6 year old period! Yes, some kids have been allowed to do what they want from birth and that is called a dysfunctional family where no love or discipline is applied. The parents obviously don't know how to bring up children because the parents have no insight, it's a case of the blind leading the blind.

The "someone" who should talk to these kids are, first their parents (or should be) and second a well-trained teacher. A teacher is more that someone who teaches, they should also be an ad hoc guardian to apply wisdom in circumstances when required. It's not about "telling" these kids their behaviour is wrong is about talking to them with love & patience and letting them know that what they are doing is wrong, there is a difference in how the message is conveyed that determines how it will be received.

Yes, it's easily said than done because we live in a fallen world, but that doesn't mean we support unethical practices of handcuffing 6 year old kids, that's just plain rediculous.

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I think depending on the circumstance and the actual child - I can agree with you about handcuffing someone that young.

On the other hand, school officials (teachers, etc) have their hands tied when it comes to discipline today. The rules, etc that are setup are unreasonable. Throw in politics and lawsuits? We really have a mess on our hands.

I do believe that one teacher can make a difference to a child and their life. Yet, we are getting to the point where you don't encourage that anymore. It's sad really - the system. It's unrealistic, and makes it harder for all involved. It's setup for love and discipline not to be involved, and a rather hands off approach - otherwise the teacher could be looking at discipline. It's really stupid.

They have set the system up for the police to be called, because of the stupid rules and setup that was created by politics and the administration. Teachers and staff have no say, and they are the ones on the front lines. If you have a system that is irrational you can't expect results that are the opposite.

I feel badly for the kids and the staff involved. School sure isn't what it was in the past. It always had its debits - like anything else - but its getting unmanageable today. The kids knows it too.

This was a very inappropriate response, and there's not enough context to know how bad the child was behaving. In the video she wasn't acting wild. She was calm in the principal's office when asking what the zip-ties were. The arrest shouldn't have been necessary. This little girl will grow up believing the police can't be trusted and that adults won't protect her when her safety feels threatened.

grasping the after wind said:

That was not referring to any lightning bolts now was it? A violent person was apprehended by the authorities. No one was killed or even physically harmed in any way but the victim of that person.

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A violent person? How is a six year old so dangerous that they needed to call men with guns to handle the situation? That's letting fear get the best of them. And if the cops tazed her they'd use the excuse that they feared for their lives....Big tough adults. How hard is it to restrain a six year old girl?

they could've found a better way to handle that. it's a six year old child dealing with sleep apnea.

obviously she should have been restrained in some way to keep her from hurting other people and the parents called for her to be sent home but everyone in this thread is acting like she beat someone to bloody pulp. she kicked at someone who tried to grab her.

*waits for someone to tell me that sleep apnea is no excuse for her behavior while defending school shooters for having "mental issues"*

Al Touthentop said:

A violent person? How is a six year old so dangerous that they needed to call men with guns to handle the situation? That's letting fear get the best of them. And if the cops tazed her they'd use the excuse that they feared for their lives....Big tough adults. How hard is it to restrain a six year old girl?

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Yes a violent person. Did you not read what she did? The authorities were called because the school employees , not trained law enforcement processionals , have no other options for dealing with a violent child. Their hands are tied because they are not going to try to physically restrain her for fear of being accused of child abuse and are not just going to allow her to attack whoever she pleases for fear of being blamed for not keeping the school safe.

I am surprised at some of the replies, mainly because there is so little in the news article to know enough to figure out what actually happened.

I'll share a personal story, though I might delete it later: 40 odd years ago when I was even younger than this child, in 1st year of school, so about 5 years old, a child across the desk from me reached across the desk an made a mark on my notebook, and I in tit-for-tat fashion made an attempt to make a mark on her's, it happened a couple of times and I was unsuccessful to repay her. The teacher seen what was going on and before I or the other girl knew what was happening we were hauled up, suddenly the class room turned upside down, and put over the teacher's knee, and given three firm wallops, by hand (not pats, they shook me from head to toe) on the behind - pretty tough discipline for two five year olds. Same teacher took a doll another family member had brought with them to school and pitched it across the classroom simply for her bringing it in. Still remember the teachers name, but no ill feeling, she went on to be head-mistress at the next school I went to, LOL!!

Mountainmanbob said:

Should have had her little rear end warmed up real good.
M-Bob

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What, you mean sit her beside a radiator?