I thought we were in the best economy ever?

gaara4158 said:

So they’re 50% bigger and they’re twice as expensive, accounting for inflation. What people are demanding today is affordable housing, and we’re not getting it.

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Actually I think it is the poor who are demanding affordable housing and not getting it; the middle income and rich are responsible for the prices going through the roof. If those people quit buying houses for more than the asking price, the prices wouldn't be going up so much.

Ken-1122 said:

I've provided 2 links that showed when Trump entered office and systematically began dismantling the regulations Obama put in place, that the economy began to improve. If you want to make the claim that things began to get worse when trump did this, you need to provide some links or something other than your word that makes your point.

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Things began to improve before Trump took office.

Ken-1122 said:

Actually I think it is the poor who are demanding affordable housing and not getting it;

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"Perhaps their hardships will motivate them to improve."

Ken-1122 said:

Actually I think it is the poor who are demanding affordable housing and not getting it; the middle income and rich are responsible for the prices going through the roof. If those people quit buying houses for more than the asking price, the prices wouldn't be going up so much.

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I don’t think people of middle income are paying more than asking price for homes very often, but rich people snapping up houses as “investment properties” has certainly contributed to the problem.

Speedwell said:

"Perhaps their hardships will motivate them to improve."

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“Have they tried not being poor?”

Ken-1122 said:

I've provided 2 links that showed when Trump entered office and systematically began dismantling the regulations Obama put in place, that the economy began to improve. If you want to make the claim that things began to get worse when trump did this, you need to provide some links or something other than your word that makes your point.

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Never said they “got worse”...now you’re being dishonest. I said they have CONTINUED WITH THE SAME TREND. No sign of any “strangulation “ ending, as you falsely claimed...just like your hero.

Ken-1122 said:

I've provided 2 links that showed when Trump entered office and systematically began dismantling the regulations Obama put in place, that the economy began to improve.

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That's a lie. These are the only links you've posted in this thread and none of them even come close to saying that:

Compare Today's Unemployment with the Past
6 Homes for Sale Under $100K on Trulia - Life at Home - Trulia Blog
Are Wages Rising or Flat?
U.S. Unemployment Rate Drops To 3.7 Percent, Lowest In Nearly 50 Years

In fact, those links don't even try to say that; and I and a few others here have pointed out repeatedly why they can't be interpreted to mean that.

Your claims are demonstrably false. You repeat things that you can't substantiate. Like so many TrumpFans before you, everything you believe on this subject is a fiction.

If you want to make the claim that things began to get worse when trump did this, you need to provide some links or something other than your word that makes your point.

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Nobody is saying Trump made things worse. Everybody is saying that he didn't make things better; rather, he just maintained the status quo. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. You say you look at trends, but then you just blatantly mischaracterize what the trends show. Do you really not understand how to read a chart or are you trying to deceive us?

Ricky M said:

1. Housing that's more than a tent
2. Food that's more than Ramen noodles
3. Health care that's more than a go-fund-me account

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If that's all your 9-to-5 affords you then you need to work MORE. And frankly I salute the company that has figured out how to pay people that little. It means better deals for ME, the consumer!

Ricky M said:

Workers lost their bargaining power when the self esteem movement turned "one for all and all for one" into "me me me me me".

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I definitely attribute a lot of America's woes to the unrealistic expectation of "self esteem". Self esteem is something you EARN. Only a handful of people actually have earned self respect (and the respect of others).

I know I sound like a broken record but I look to Donald J. Trump, President of the United States of America as the best example. That guy has well-earned self respect. He's helped create so many jobs for people he doesn't even know! He is a self-made billionaire who helped countless contractors lift themselves up.

Sure there's been a few stumbles on the road, but by and large his life is the life we should ALL aspire to.

Ricky M said:

In a global economy, as long as some are willing to/forced to work as slaves, we will all work as slaves.

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Well, the word "slaves" is kinda scary and unpleasant but it's a global economy now and the lowest common denominator is how we run the books. That's why the CEO's make so much money...they figured this all out!

I wish I was a smart businessman, but I'm not. So I have to look with awe and respect at the guys who figured out you just need to ship the labor over to ultra-cheap areas (and move again when the labor there starts asking for more money) and all along reaping the profits hand over fist. That's capitalism with a capital C.

Speedwell said:

Things began to improve before Trump took office.

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The links I provided showed things had began to level off around the last year Obama was in office, then began to improve again when trump took over.

Speedwell said:

"Perhaps their hardships will motivate them to improve."

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Hey; It worked for me!

Allandavid said:

Never said they “got worse”...now you’re being dishonest. I said they have CONTINUED WITH THE SAME TREND. No sign of any “strangulation “ ending, as you falsely claimed...just like your hero.

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Because it didn’t! The trend lines established under Obama have simply continued...except where they’ve weakened..!

Those were your exact words. Except they’ve weakened, if that doesn’t mean things got worse, what does it mean?

Ken-1122 said:

The links I provided showed things had began to level off around the last year Obama was in office, then began to improve again when trump took over.

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Here's a chart chowing the unemployment rate since 2007. Perhaps you could point out where this "leveling off" occurred.

iluvatar5150 said:

That's a lie. These are the only links you've posted in this thread and none of them even come close to saying that:

Compare Today's Unemployment with the Past
6 Homes for Sale Under $100K on Trulia - Life at Home - Trulia Blog
Are Wages Rising or Flat?
U.S. Unemployment Rate Drops To 3.7 Percent, Lowest In Nearly 50 Years

In fact, those links don't even try to say that; and I and a few others here have pointed out repeatedly why they can't be interpreted to mean that.

Your claims are demonstrably false. You repeat things that you can't substantiate. Like so many TrumpFans before you, everything you believe on this subject is a fiction.

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This link shows the unemployment rate went from a high of 10% in 2010 to 5% in the middle of 2015. It remained there till approx 3/4 the way through 2016. Then the next 2 years it began to drop to below 4%.
U.S. Unemployment Rate Drops To 3.7 Percent, Lowest In Nearly 50 Years

Trump was elected November 2016 and he started telling CEO’s and Corporations that he was going to cut taxes, and cut regulations, and the economy took off from there.
This link the graph shows after the recession wages grew but leveled off around 2015 and 2018 but continued to rise afterword.
Are Wages Rising or Flat?
If you remember, the market took off at the end of 2016 till 2018 then things adjusted till approx the end of 2018 and began to rise again. IMO this is consistent with the graph provided in the link provided

iluvatar5150 said:

Nobody is saying Trump made things worse. Everybody is saying that he didn't make things better; rather, he just maintained the status quo. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. You say you look at trends, but then you just blatantly mischaracterize what the trends show. Do you really not understand how to read a chart or are you trying to deceive us?

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The person I was responding to said;

Because it didn’t! The trend lines established under Obama have simply continued...except where they’ve weakened..!
(In bold by me)

Speedwell said:

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Here's a chart chowing the unemployment rate since 2007. Perhaps you could point out where this "leveling off" occurred.

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Is this the chart I provided? I cannot click on it. If so, do you see from 2015 - 2016 where it remained approx 5%?

Ken-1122 said:

Is this the chart I provided? I cannot click on it. If so, do you see from 2015 - 2016 where it remained approx 5%?

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I see the same graph in your link--different source, but both originate from the bureau of labor statistics and show the same downward trend from about the middle of Obama's first term. It flattens a little after 2016, but nothing significant. No, I don't see a flattening of the curve during 2015-2016. In general, the assertion frequently heard from conservatives that unemployment didn't begin to drop until Trump took over is--to put it as nicely as I can--nothing but a bald-faced lie.

Ken-1122 said:

Post #237 you said:
Because it didn’t! The trend lines established under Obama have simply continued...except where they’ve weakened..!

Those were your exact words. Except they’ve weakened, if that doesn’t mean things got worse, what does it mean?

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It means, and I gave an example in the case of job creation, that the trend has continued upward as it was during Obama’s time, but has not continued upward at the same rate. Jobs continued to increase during Trump’s 3 years, but not as greatly as Obama’s last 3 years.

Pick any graph you like, any economic indicator you like. You will not be able to see a discernible difference in the trends between the 2 administrations, except that Obama did better in some of them! You certainly won’t see a period of “strangulation”...

Your listing of Trump’s trashing of certain regulations is met with a large “So what??” if it doesn’t produce any change...

US Hourly wages growth since 2010...show me the “strangulation” Ken....

Employment rate...show me the “strangulation” Ken...