The HUGE problem with a father who torments any of his children is He is not in the same world as our Abba ! ! !
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Dear Lady: Pas = the radical all. Polus = many. Both sides of the God equation are identical whether it is polus or pas or tis/some.
Adam1= many made sinners>>>Last Adam= many made righteous.
There is no Scripture that states anyone comes out of the Lake of Theos radiating with theion and theioo.
There is also no Scripture that anyone comes out of our God the consuming fire.
Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Isa 33:15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
Isa 33:16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
Isa 33:17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.
Yup!
The way for all is through the fires, for fire is the great uniter and reconciler of all things; and things which without fire can never be united, in and through the fire are changed and become one.
Therefore every coming of Christ, even in grace, is a day of judgment. Therefore there are fires even for the elect both now, (1 Pet. 1:7, and 4: 12) and in the coming day; (1 Cor. 3:. 13, 15.) for “our God is a consuming fire;” (Heb. 12: 29.) and to dwell in Him we must have a life, which, because it is of the fire, for fire burns not fire, can stand unhurt in it.
Therefore our Lord “came to cast fire into the earth,” and desired nothing more than “that it should be already kindled;” (S. Luke 12: 49) therefore He says,
Mark 9: 49
For this is the very “baptism of the Holy Ghost and fire,” (Matt. 3: 11) that “spirit of judgment and burning,” promised by the prophet, "with which the Lord shall purge away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and cleanse the blood of Jerusalem; after which He will create on every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and on all her assemblies, a cloud of smoke by day, and the brightness of flame of fire by night; and upon all, the glory shall be a defense; (Isa. 4: 4, 5) for “He is like a refiner’s fire, and like a fuller’s soap; and He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and He shall purify the sons of Levi as gold and silver are purged, that they may offer to the Lord an offering of righteousness.” (Mal. 3: 3). And as by the hidden fire of this present life, shut up in these bodies of corruption, we are able by the wondrous chemistry of nature through corruption to change the fruits and flesh of the earth into our blood, and from blood again into our flesh and bone and sinew; so by the fire of God can we be changed, and made partakers of Christ’s flesh and blood. In and through Christ we have received this transmutation; (Rom. 5: 11) and through His Spirit, which is fire, is this same change accomplished in us.
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Numbers 28: 6. By this double sense a veil covers the letter, veiling yet revealing God’s purpose; for His purpose to the creature is through destruction to perfect it, and by fire to make it a bride unto the Lord. For a kindred reason some of the angels are called Seraphim, that is burning ones; for like the Lord, whose throne is flames of fire, (Dan. 7: 9,10.) they also are as fire; as it is written, “He makes His angels spirits, His messengers a flame of fire.” (Heb. 1: 7, and Psalm 104:4)
And as with the first-fruits, so with the harvest. The world to be saved must some day know the same baptism. For “the Lord will come with fire,” and “by fire and by His sword will He plead with all flesh, and the slain of the Lord shall be many.” (Isa. 66: 15, 16.) The promised baptism or outpouring of the Spirit must be judgment, for the Spirit cannot be poured on man without consuming this flesh to quicken a better life;
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James 1: 20) works both righteousness and life, and is set forth in that “warfare of the service of the tabernacle” (See Numbers 4: 23, 30, and 8: 24, 25; margin: and compare 1 Tim. 1: eighteen) by which that which was of the earth was made to ascend to God through fire a sweet sacrifice.
-Andrew Jukes-
Hello Charlie,Warning: damnationalist spotted in the area.
I'm so happy the Lord gave me a heart that can't ignore His Word.
And a mind that can see His mercy and grace extended to all.
For narrow is the gate that leads to life, and few there be that find it.
It is only for those who walk with God on earth. It is not for the lost, they can not live through it.
Isa 33:15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
It matters not what man thinks---you quote men's opinions often--- they matter diddly squat to God. That's the blind leading the blind.
I wish that were true. You can't be serious.And I agree 100% with all those verses.
That's a smoke screen.Once again you look at the Scriptures out of their context.
I was hoping you would point that out. (Many is not all) Thanks.It was for all people---but not all people will believe4, repent, bre baptized and follow Christ. Or did you not notice the change from all to many. Many is not all.
Jesus taught us to treat our enemies perfectly, like God. Love your enemies.Do you think that it's a small issue to deny the existence of God, who created them and who's image is inside every single one of us, which Paul said that they are without excuse? I would say that it's worse than murder. (Moses killed the Egyptian).
Wow. You are quoting Restorationist scriptures. - lolYes we can come to God because after Christ’s crucifixion He will draw all men to Him. Not all will come but all are called.
Dear lady: There are men who are worthy to pay attention.
Books by Andrew John Jukes (Author of The Second Death and the Restitution of All Things)
You would be well advised to allow the Father to open your horizons to the One who moves in the Realm of unlimited.
Head to your nearest closet, shut the door & listen to Him.
I was hoping you would point that out. (Many is not all) Thanks.
In verse 19, how many were made sinners through the disobedience of the one man? (all)
Therefore, how many will be made righteous through the obedience of the one man? (all)
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Correct. Now apply the principle here.
Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
Let's work on your terminology. It's Damnationist, not damnationalist.Warning: damnationalist spotted in the area.
However, you will follow a woman. Like Ellen White. (not the word of God)I don't need to follow any man---I have the word of God. This concept is not of God.
Bible versus Bible. Where does that leave us?Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; fearfulness hath surprised the hypocrites. Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?
Isa 33:15 He that walketh righteously, and speaketh uprightly; he that despiseth the gain of oppressions, that shaketh his hands from holding of bribes, that stoppeth his ears from hearing of blood, and shutteth his eyes from seeing evil;
Isa 33:16 He shall dwell on high: his place of defence shall be the munitions of rocks: bread shall be given him; his waters shall be sure.
Isa 33:17 Thine eyes shall see the king in his beauty: they shall behold the land that is very far off.
I don't need to follow any man---I have the word of God. This concept is not of God.
However, you will follow a woman. Like Ellen White. (not the word of God)
Doesn't the SDA have male leaders and authors too? (that you refuse to follow)
Dear Lady: It has not even been hinted that you or any of us should follow any man (or woman). We all have the word of the Lord. I wonder why the Master of Reconciliation "opened their minds to understand the Scriptures"?
Well dear lady, your visit to your nearest closet to hear what He sayeth to you was a short visit. Back you go.
Blind eyes & deaf ears can be transformed by the Master of ephphatha!
A quick internet search could debunk that pretty quickly.I read EGW---she says nothing not biblical