Virginia braces for gun-rights rally as worries over violence, hate groups and militias grow

GOD Shines Forth! · Jan 20, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
"The purpose of government, Locke wrote, is to secure and protect the God-given inalienable natural rights of the people. For their part, the people must obey the laws of their rulers. Thus, a sort of contract exists between the rulers and the ruled. But, Locke concluded, if a government persecutes its people with "a long train of abuses" over an extended period, the people have the right to resist that government, alter or abolish it, and create a new political system."

Great quote. There’s something of the flavor of the it in 1 Kings 12:18, when the people of Israel killed Rehoboam's taskmaster. Rehoboam crossed the line of oppression and the summary execution of Adoram got him sorted real quick. Only one ended up dying in that "revolution".

Lost4words · Jan 20, 2020

Just seen how heavily armed a lotnof the protesters were on the news!

Only in America!

Very sad indeed to see all those people with so much fire power amongst them. Its a totally different world in the USA. A desire to own and carry such lethal weapons.

GoldenBoy89 · Jan 20, 2020

civilwarbuff said:
Ah....one of the privileged class...

Psh... Hardly. But then, I guess not everyone can live in nice safe, non-war zone places like So Cal. I feel for the rest of you who apparently need AR-15s to buy groceries or take your kids to soccer practice.

you realize that just means you have more of the kind of stuff they want, right?

Oh if only that we’re true.

civilwarbuff · Jan 20, 2020

Lost4words said:
Just seen how heavily armed a lotnof the protesters were on the news!

Only in America!

Very sad indeed to see all those people with so much fire power amongst them. Its a totally different world in the USA. A desire to own and carry such lethal weapons.

OOOOOO were there shootings?...did they get into it with the police or the feds?.....is there blood in the streets yet?.....No? You mean all these armed people came together and there was no shoot out....I bet you are really disappointed in how responsible these people are....well, better luck next time.

renniks · Jan 20, 2020

civilwarbuff said:
Which ones: the protesters or the media?

That's a good question.

renniks · Jan 20, 2020

Speedwell said:
Is that what you think of them? But the discussion was only about whether the police were wise to take security precautions.

No, I think they are probably some of the finest people you could hope to meet, overall.

And not hateful at all.

renniks · Jan 20, 2020

Lost4words said:
Very sad indeed to see all those people with so much fire power amongst them. Its a totally different world in the USA. A desire to own and carry such lethal weapons.

What is sad about wanting to be able to defend your self and others?

Lost4words · Jan 20, 2020

civilwarbuff said:
OOOOOO were there shootings?...did they get into it with the police or the feds?.....is there blood in the streets yet?.....No? You mean all these armed people came together and there was no shoot out....I bet you are really disappointed in how responsible these people are....well, better luck next time.

Think you need to read and understand what i wrote my friend. You got it totally wrong sorry buddy.

Lost4words · Jan 20, 2020

renniks said:
What is sad about wanting to be able to defend your self and others?

With automatic weapons etc etc?

I am not going to debate that argument.

God bless you

wing2000 · Jan 20, 2020

I'm grateful there was no violence today.

renniks · Jan 20, 2020

Lost4words said:
With automatic weapons etc etc?

I am not going to debate that argument.

God bless you

Automatic? Lol, you have no clue. Should the criminals have more firepower than the law abiding citizen?

rjs330 · Jan 20, 2020

iluvatar5150 said:
No, you don’t. You have a right to fight to overturn those laws via the courts, but you don’t have a right to just up and decide for yourself what is and isn’t constitutional.

Is the Bill of Rights now scripture? I don’t care if it says God granted you a pound of cheese per day, it isn’t correct. The founders can think that people should have certain rights, and that’s fine. But those rights don’t come from God; they come from us. We decide what our rights are.

Yes we do. Now, could we get arrested for it? Sure. And there will be court cases about it too. Do you believe that those that disobey the laws in sanctuary cities have a right to do that, or should they obey the laws? What about those crossing the borders illegally, should they be allowed to do that or should they be arrested and tossed in jail for it, whether or not they have children?

Speedwell · Jan 20, 2020

rjs330 said:
Yes we do. Now, could we get arrested for it? Sure. And there will be court cases about it too. Do you believe that those that disobey the laws in sanctuary cities have a right to do that, or should they obey the laws?

What laws did you have in mind? They already have to obey the laws of the city and state in which they live.

What about those crossing the borders illegally, should they be allowed to do that or should they be arrested and tossed in jail for it, whether or not they have children?

No, they should just be deported. The costs and delays of a criminal trial and incarceration aren't worth it. After all, we're not laying criminal charges on visa overstays when we catch them, we just deport them. Why should pedestrians be any different?

iluvatar5150 · Jan 20, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
Jefferson adopted John Locke's theory of natural rights to provide a reason for revolution and it shaped our constitution.

"The purpose of government, Locke wrote, is to secure and protect the God-given inalienable natural rights of the people. For their part, the people must obey the laws of their rulers. Thus, a sort of contract exists between the rulers and the ruled. But, Locke concluded, if a government persecutes its people with "a long train of abuses" over an extended period, the people have the right to resist that government, alter or abolish it, and create a new political system."

Constitutional Rights Foundation

our natural rights have long been under attack in this country, and we fight and fight and fight these issues into the ground. Now, a new class of people has risen up and have determined for themselves that they will, in fact act to alienate people of their rights.

We aren't California dwellers where we will accept our rights being attacked without end meekly handing all over to the tyrants, they will either leave us in peace or they will fight us. The choice is always theirs, but we, the people are the last line of defense against tyranny, and it is our responsibility to stand on this hill, before we find ourselves unarmed and unable to fight those who come next.

I understand the background of the philosophy. Personally, I think it’s nonsense, but I appreciate that others disagree. Either way, you can think these are “natural” rights all you want, but the fact remains that there is absolutely zero in the Christian Bible that says *anything* about God granting us these sorts of rights. If you’re a Christian and believe in Christian doctrine, then these rights do not, in any way shape or form, come from God. To claim otherwise is to commit heresy.

TLK Valentine · Jan 21, 2020

Speedwell said:
Is that what you think of them? But the discussion was only about whether the police were wise to take security precautions.

Which they certainly were. After all, a few undesirables with bad intent were already intercepted bu thr feds en route to the rally, and who knows what would've happened if they hadn't been?

It's reasonable for the local police to ask: what if they weren't the only ones?

civilwarbuff · Jan 21, 2020

Lost4words said:
With automatic weapons etc etc?

There were no automatic weapons there; well at least not in the hands of the protesters.....

rjs330 · Jan 21, 2020

Speedwell said:
What laws did you have in mind? They already have to obey the laws of the city and state in which they live.No, they should just be deported. The costs and delays of a criminal trial and incarceration aren't worth it. After all, we're not laying criminal charges on visa overstays when we catch them, we just deport them. Why should pedestrians be any different?

So your not in favor of arresting those who disobey gun laws either? After all it could be pretty costly.

rjs330 · Jan 21, 2020

Lo and behold this turned out to be a peaceful protest of people addressing grievances. Who duh thunk? All the hand wringing aside.

Speedwell · Jan 21, 2020

rjs330 said:
So your not in favor of arresting those who disobey gun laws either? After all it could be pretty costly.

Snotty non-sequitur. Well played.

Illegal border crossers are not any more dangerous than visa overstayers. The only reason I can see that you want to subject one kind of illegal alien to criminal prosecution in addition to deportation but not the other is that the illegal border crossers are more likely to be poor, brown and Roman Catholic than the visa overstays.

Jonathan Walkerin · Jan 21, 2020

renniks said:
Automatic? Lol, you have no clue. Should the criminals have more firepower than the law abiding citizen?

Should government have more firepower than the law abiding citizens ?

Why are the heavy machineguns restricted, anti-tank weapons, stingers ? Stuff you could actually use against "tyrannical government" ?

Nobody seems to feel worried about that although it is clearly in violation of second amandment.
So basically it is not that you are allowed to arm yourself however you want just where the line is drawn.

Would have been great if the second amandment had been written that every citizen has the right to bear musket.

That would have made some interesting product development through centuries.

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