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I don't know who she is but I am not interested in that. It is the content that needs to be looked at and I know this is correct as it is virtually the same type of content that most social academics will talk about. You are basically making a logical fallacy in attacking the person and not addressing the content.
well by all means lets take a look at the facts Coulter presents in her 2011 piece to support her claim that "Destroying the family "is the active social policy of liberals"

Well there is the rub. she doesn't present anything to support that claim. she makes many claims about the children of single mothers, she refers to them as "bastards"

She claims: "Various studies have shown that children raised by single mothers comprise about 70 percent of juvenile murderers" I couldn't find any legitimately published study showing anything of the kind. Of course Coulter doesn't reference these studies....why would she?

She does sort of reference this: "A 1990 study by the (liberal) Progressive Policy Institute showed that, after controlling for single motherhood, the difference in black and white crime rates disappeared." except this supposed 1990 study doesn't exist. The claim originates verbatim on the Conservapedia web sight but they give a fake reference for the study specifically the Manhattan institute which credits an op-ed article from the Philadelphia Enquirer which doesn't mention the Progressive Policy Institute.

Coulter berates single mothers for neglecting their "bastards" while they "go out clubbing"

OK so I done a quick fact check on Anne Coulter and the quote she is suppose to have said about cripples not being allowed to be citizens. It turns out that this fact is false and she did not say this. This is what happens to some people especially those who challenge the lefts PC. It has happened to good people such as Jordan Petersen, and Ben Shapiro who try to speak the truth. I knew something was going on when I read Anne Coulter had some Christian values that atheists and activists were going to makeup stuff about her.

A meme making the rounds on Facebook has a photo of conservative commentator Ann Coulter with a quote supposedly from her about how “cripples” should not be allowed U,S. citizenship.

The facts: Coulter has said a lot of things, but not this one.
Fact Check: Coulter really that cold-hearted? Not really ...
so you do know how to fact check. amazing. how about fact checking the claims you make here?[/QUOTE]
 
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If a representative of the law (cop) tells you to put your hands behind your back so he can handcuff you, If you refuse to do so, you are not complying with the law. How is a cop supposed to force you to do as instructed (comply with the law) without resorting to violence if necessary?

They don't necessarily have the right to do so and having an exchange in regards to that can de escalate the situation rather than using force, distinct from violence, which is excessive force
 
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Not the question you asked. Again try to be honest. again your original question was:
I've asked lots of original questions; I'm not talking about any of those. Right now the question is:
Do you agree even a good cop might have to resort to physical violence as a last resort?

Can you answer that question please?
 
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I've asked lots of original questions; I'm not talking about any of those. Right now the question is:
Do you agree even a good cop might have to resort to physical violence as a last resort?

Can you answer that question please?
i think you are still talking about that. you introduced this whole police thing as an attempt to justify bating children and I have no reason to believe that justification still isn't your goal.

Violence against children is always wrong. putting on a uniform doesn't make the beating of child justified.
 
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Violence against children is always wrong. putting on a uniform doesn't make the beating of child justified.
How about if someone's 18 yr old child robbed a store, someone puts on a uniform, tracks him down and attempts to place him under arrest but this persons child refuses to allow you to pat him down and put him in cuffs? Can you imagine a scenario where physical violence might be used as a last resort?
 
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How about if someone's 18 yr old child robbed a store, someone puts on a uniform, tracks him down and attempts to place him under arrest but this persons child refuses to allow you to pat him down and put him in cuffs? Can you imagine a scenario where physical violence might be used as a last resort?
you really are desperate to claim some sort of fictitious victory here.

Sad
 
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you really are desperate to claim some sort of fictitious victory here.

Sad
My point is regardless of what you said before, there are times when the police do have to resort to physical violence in order to do their job whether you agree or not. I think we're done here.
 
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My point is regardless of what you said before, there are times when the police do have to resort to physical violence in order to do their job whether you agree or not. I think we're done here.

Restraining someone and using physical violence are two different things, imo.
 
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Restraining someone and using physical violence are two different things, imo.
But if the person fights back because he refuses to be restrained, the two will have to go hand in hand. Agree? There is a reason the police have guns, tasers, and other such weapons.
 
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But if the person fights back because he refuses to be restrained, the two will have to go hand in hand. Agree? There is a reason the police have guns, tasers, and other such weapons.

I am so glad I live in the UK where not all the police are armed with guns. They have tasers, but have to have a very good reason for using them. There is always an inquiry if anyone is injured or killed by our police.
 
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I am so glad I live in the UK where not all the police are armed with guns. They have tasers, but have to have a very good reason for using them. There is always an inquiry if anyone is injured or killed by our police.
Yeah; our police are armed with guns, but they have to account for each bullet fired, and there is always an inquire whenever any type of physical violence is used.
 
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Yeah, I did a search for "Millenium Cohort Study," and got to their website. Do you expect me to go trawling through the entire website looking for the one study with these results?
Sorry I was rushed for time and did not link the original study. But sometimes the article linking the studies has a good commentary which can help understand things.

Additionally, the article you linked to claims the study found, "...some 12 per cent of children brought up by one parent displayed series behavioural problems by the age of seven."

For a start, 12% is still fairly small. Almost 90% of children raised by a single parent do NOT show signs of behavioural problems by the age of seven.
It is the other way around. Children show signs of behavioral problems by age 7 not no behavior problems by aged 7. Also it will depend on how you look at the stats. The study was comparing single parents to kids brought up by two natural parents rather than overall behavior stats for children. So looking at the study it shows 12% of children have behavior problems for single parents compared to 6% for the two natural parents. That's double the kids for single parents which is significant if you consider entire populations ie 100,000 children compared to 50,000 and so on.

But that's only one study and way to look at the issue. Apart from behavior they can look at development and education for example. Or they can look at stats on the effects of not having a specific parent like how young males fair without a father. Or on adolescents rather than children. There is an abundance of evidence showing that two parents are better than one, kids need their mother and father and that biological parents are best. Here are some more stats which strengthen the support that a child/adolescent having two parents especially their biological parents is best.

The following study shows that young people are three times more likely to be badly behaved if their parents have separated. Another telling stat is that children living in a new blended family after a split have an increased risk of behavioral problems as well. It mentions that there are benefits for a child growing up in a traditional family home.

Young people whose mother and father split up are also three times as likely to become aggressive or badly behaved, according to the comprehensive survey carried out by the Office for National Statistics.
Living in a "reconstituted" family containing step-children or step-parents increased the risk of developing behavioral problems still further.
The stark findings of the study, commissioned by the Department for Health and the Scottish Government, fly in the face of the Government's repeated failure to extol the benefits on children of growing up in a traditional family home.

Children in single-parent families more likely to suffer emotional problems, report finds
Link to original study
Children whose families struggle to get on are more likely to have mental disorders - Office for National Statistics

Early Mother-Child Separation, Parenting, and Child Well-Being in Early Head Start Families

We tested the associations between early mother-child separation and nine outcomes. Three of these outcomes were significantly related to mother-child separation. In particular, we found associations between early mother-child separation and child negativity at 3 years, and child aggression at both 3 and 5 years.
Early Mother-Child Separation, Parenting, and Child Well-Being in Early Head Start Families


The risk of abuse and neglect in a sole parent family is about seven to ten times greater in a sole parent family than in an intact two-parent family. Children in sole parent families are at significantly greater risk than children in two parent families of falling into delinquency and crime, with father-absence, neglect and absence of supervision identified as the major factors involved.
https://www.cis.org.au/app/uploads/2015/07/pm53.pdf

Also a major study shows that children do better with married parents than cohabitation parents as being married brings benefits such as security to children.

Cohabitation Contributes to Family Instability Across the Globe

The researchers hold that "part of the disadvantage associated with being born to a single mother may be the heighted risk of subsequent union transitions faced by children of single mothers."
Such "union transitions" — when a child's parent changes sex partners — creates further relationship instability in the families and usually occurs before children turn 12 years old. Rates of child abuse and neglect also rise when these relational dynamics are present.

Cohabitation Contributes to Family Instability Across the Globe

Also, even if we take this to be a serious problem (it never mentions how serious the behavioural problems are, after all, it could be only slightly more problematic than the children in the no-behavioural problems group), it still doesn't show that the child needs parents of TWO genders to avoid this.
The studies are comparing single parenting to couple parenting so it is establishing that having two parents is better. As posted above there are many studies that show that single parenting can bring a range of problems with varying seriousness.

That's not a scientific study. There was no testing done, no analysis of statistics. It's just an expression of opinion. It wasn't even published in a scientific journal!
Actually the findings were published in a scientific journal (Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy). Also the other links above are from well credentialed science sources.

And no way for me to actually read those sources so again, I just have to take the author's word on what they say.

In any case, that article is simply talking about the baby's attachment with the mother. The only part I could find that references attachments with others says:

"...the child cultivates an array of "affectional bonds"3 that include, most important, the father or partner, as well as other members of the network of close family and friends. Attunement in each of these relationships is intensely important because the child is always taking in new information and being shaped by the world.10 Just as the mother's role is to assist in the child's development, so is the role of every other primary person in the child's life. While attachment theory centers on a primary figure, typically the mother, as the bedrock of the child's health and wellbeing, this does not occur in a vacuum, nor to the exclusion of fathers and partners. Often, in the progression of infant development, the initial role of fathers focuses on support of the mother in her attempt to care for their baby. But it does not stop there. As the baby gains in abilities, the father becomes more central, and his role often evolves into the safe launching point for the child's accelerated forays into the external world. In the implementation of attachment theory, the baby is connected to the mother and embraced by the support of many people who influence growth and development differently at each unique stage."​

This does not mean that the mother's male spouse must be present, just that the baby does not develop in a vacuum and also gains from having other supporting figures in its life. This would include a same-sex couple, or even a polyamorous relationship with three (or more) adults living together.

Again, this is talking about the mother-child bond. I saw nothing in that article that pushed for only a mother, father, baby family dynamic.
It states as highlighted that the father plays an important role in supporting the mother as she develops the attachment and then the father gets more involved after this. As its says
his role often evolves into the safe launching point for the child's accelerated forays into the external world.

But there is plenty of evidence for the importance of a father in the life of a child. This is part of today's critique of men in making out that they are not needed. This is one of the fallout's from the feminist movement who still today try to delete the role of men and make out they are all bad. As a result we are already seeing fathers lose their rights in custody of their children by courts favoring mothers. Many men's identity has been undermined and they don't know who they are or what relevance they have in today's society.

The one and only link you've provided for this does not link to the article, but just to the general website. I'm not going to go looking through the website to find the article you claim proves your point. But, once again, the article seems to be talking about the bond between mother and child. It is NOT pushing the traditional family dynamic that you seem to think it is. Of course, if you'd actually link to the specific article itself, I'd be happy to read it and change my views accordingly.
The additional links provide further support. I am not saying that single parents especially mothers cannot do a good job in raiding their children. I am simply saying the the research seems to point to the traditional family being the optimum setup for stability of relationships and raising children. As I have shown the evidence supports this.

The Effects of Family Structure on Children
1. A solid, intact family structure can have a significantly positive impact on a child’s present and future wellbeing and offers countless benefits for both adults and children.

2. Children growing up in homes where two parents who have been married continuously are less likely to experience a wide range of problems (academic, social, emotional, cognitive), not only in childhood but later on in adulthood as well (Amato; Howard & Reeves,).

3. In two parent families, for example, children typically have access to more of the economic and community resources because parents are able to pool their time, money and energy; children tend to be more of the focus of the home.

4. Family intactness has also been shown to have a consistently positive influence on earnings for prime-age males and is one of the most important factors (or shared the place of greatest importance) for females and children in determining an area’s dependence on welfare programs that targets poverty.

5. Research also shows that family intactness has a beneficial influence on reducing out of wedlock births, increasing high school and college graduation rates, and even has long-term benefits such as higher employment rates.

6. Children living with married parents are more often involved in community activities such as soccer or other sports, take part in academic pursuits in local schools and other academic institutions that can lead to college, and eventually, a career.

7. Family intactness increases high school and college graduation rates, as well as high employment rates

8. Overall, intact families tend to be more stable; parents tend to be more involved in their children’s lives and are more highly invested in their children’s success.

9. Fathers of intact families spend, on average, more time with their children. They also enjoy greater family cohesion than peers with adopted children or stepchildren (Lansford, et al.).
In summary, children living with both biological parents in a low-conflict marriage tend to do better on a host of outcomes than those living in step-parent families.

10. Children living with both biological parents are 20 to 35 percent more physically healthy than children from broken homes (Dawson).

40 Facts About Two Parent Families | Studies and Statistics

There are 40 facts for children living with two parents and I have only included the first 10. But they mention the benefits of not only having two parents but biological parents.
 
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Sorry I was rushed for time and did not link the original study. But sometimes the article linking the studies has a good commentary which can help understand things.

It is the other way around. Children show signs of behavioral problems by age 7 not no behavior problems by aged 7. Also it will depend on how you look at the stats. The study was comparing single parents to kids brought up by two natural parents rather than overall behavior stats for children. So looking at the study it shows 12% of children have behavior problems for single parents compared to 6% for the two natural parents. That's double the kids for single parents which is significant if you consider entire populations ie 100,000 children compared to 50,000 and so on.

But that's only one study and way to look at the issue. Apart from behavior they can look at development and education for example. Or they can look at stats on the effects of not having a specific parent like how young males fair without a father. Or on adolescents rather than children. There is an abundance of evidence showing that two parents are better than one, kids need their mother and father and that biological parents are best. Here are some more stats which strengthen the support that a child/adolescent having two parents especially their biological parents is best.

The following study shows that young people are three times more likely to be badly behaved if their parents have separated. Another telling stat is that children living in a new blended family after a split have an increased risk of behavioral problems as well. It mentions that there are benefits for a child growing up in a traditional family home.

Young people whose mother and father split up are also three times as likely to become aggressive or badly behaved, according to the comprehensive survey carried out by the Office for National Statistics.
Living in a "reconstituted" family containing step-children or step-parents increased the risk of developing behavioral problems still further.
The stark findings of the study, commissioned by the Department for Health and the Scottish Government, fly in the face of the Government's repeated failure to extol the benefits on children of growing up in a traditional family home.

Children in single-parent families more likely to suffer emotional problems, report finds
Link to original study
Children whose families struggle to get on are more likely to have mental disorders - Office for National Statistics

Early Mother-Child Separation, Parenting, and Child Well-Being in Early Head Start Families

We tested the associations between early mother-child separation and nine outcomes. Three of these outcomes were significantly related to mother-child separation. In particular, we found associations between early mother-child separation and child negativity at 3 years, and child aggression at both 3 and 5 years.
Early Mother-Child Separation, Parenting, and Child Well-Being in Early Head Start Families


The risk of abuse and neglect in a sole parent family is about seven to ten times greater in a sole parent family than in an intact two-parent family. Children in sole parent families are at significantly greater risk than children in two parent families of falling into delinquency and crime, with father-absence, neglect and absence of supervision identified as the major factors involved.
https://www.cis.org.au/app/uploads/2015/07/pm53.pdf

Also a major study shows that children do better with married parents than cohabitation parents as being married brings benefits such as security to children.

Cohabitation Contributes to Family Instability Across the Globe

The researchers hold that "part of the disadvantage associated with being born to a single mother may be the heighted risk of subsequent union transitions faced by children of single mothers."
Such "union transitions" — when a child's parent changes sex partners — creates further relationship instability in the families and usually occurs before children turn 12 years old. Rates of child abuse and neglect also rise when these relational dynamics are present.

Cohabitation Contributes to Family Instability Across the Globe

The studies are comparing single parenting to couple parenting so it is establishing that having two parents is better. As posted above there are many studies that show that single parenting can bring a range of problems with varying seriousness.

Actually the findings were published in a scientific journal (Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy). Also the other links above are from well credentialed science sources.

It states as highlighted that the father plays an important role in supporting the mother as she develops the attachment and then the father gets more involved after this. As its says
his role often evolves into the safe launching point for the child's accelerated forays into the external world.

But there is plenty of evidence for the importance of a father in the life of a child. This is part of today's critique of men in making out that they are not needed. This is one of the fallout's from the feminist movement who still today try to delete the role of men and make out they are all bad. As a result we are already seeing fathers lose their rights in custody of their children by courts favoring mothers. Many men's identity has been undermined and they don't know who they are or what relevance they have in today's society.

The additional links provide further support. I am not saying that single parents especially mothers cannot do a good job in raiding their children. I am simply saying the the research seems to point to the traditional family being the optimum setup for stability of relationships and raising children. As I have shown the evidence supports this.

The Effects of Family Structure on Children
1. A solid, intact family structure can have a significantly positive impact on a child’s present and future wellbeing and offers countless benefits for both adults and children.

2. Children growing up in homes where two parents who have been married continuously are less likely to experience a wide range of problems (academic, social, emotional, cognitive), not only in childhood but later on in adulthood as well (Amato; Howard & Reeves,).

3. In two parent families, for example, children typically have access to more of the economic and community resources because parents are able to pool their time, money and energy; children tend to be more of the focus of the home.

4. Family intactness has also been shown to have a consistently positive influence on earnings for prime-age males and is one of the most important factors (or shared the place of greatest importance) for females and children in determining an area’s dependence on welfare programs that targets poverty.

5. Research also shows that family intactness has a beneficial influence on reducing out of wedlock births, increasing high school and college graduation rates, and even has long-term benefits such as higher employment rates.

6. Children living with married parents are more often involved in community activities such as soccer or other sports, take part in academic pursuits in local schools and other academic institutions that can lead to college, and eventually, a career.

7. Family intactness increases high school and college graduation rates, as well as high employment rates

8. Overall, intact families tend to be more stable; parents tend to be more involved in their children’s lives and are more highly invested in their children’s success.

9. Fathers of intact families spend, on average, more time with their children. They also enjoy greater family cohesion than peers with adopted children or stepchildren (Lansford, et al.).
In summary, children living with both biological parents in a low-conflict marriage tend to do better on a host of outcomes than those living in step-parent families.

10. Children living with both biological parents are 20 to 35 percent more physically healthy than children from broken homes (Dawson).

40 Facts About Two Parent Families | Studies and Statistics

There are 40 facts for children living with two parents and I have only included the first 10. But they mention the benefits of not only having two parents but biological parents.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm!
 
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Many men's identity has been undermined and they don't know who they are or what relevance they have in today's society.

This line of your post jumped out at me, and I wondered whether it was part of the core of the issue for you.

The thing is, if men's identity was based on dominating their family, keeping their wives subordinate and so on (the "traditional family"), it is a good thing that that has been undermined, and that we have an opportunity to construct a healthier and more positive masculine identity.
 
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It is the other way around. Children show signs of behavioral problems by age 7 not no behavior problems by aged 7. Also it will depend on how you look at the stats. The study was comparing single parents to kids brought up by two natural parents rather than overall behavior stats for children. So looking at the study it shows 12% of children have behavior problems for single parents compared to 6% for the two natural parents. That's double the kids for single parents which is significant if you consider entire populations ie 100,000 children compared to 50,000 and so on.

How do you figure this?

If 12% show behaviour problems by the age of seven, what do you think is happening with the other 88%?

The following study shows that young people are three times more likely to be badly behaved if their parents have separated. Another telling stat is that children living in a new blended family after a split have an increased risk of behavioral problems as well. It mentions that there are benefits for a child growing up in a traditional family home.

Young people whose mother and father split up are also three times as likely to become aggressive or badly behaved, according to the comprehensive survey carried out by the Office for National Statistics.
Living in a "reconstituted" family containing step-children or step-parents increased the risk of developing behavioral problems still further.
The stark findings of the study, commissioned by the Department for Health and the Scottish Government, fly in the face of the Government's repeated failure to extol the benefits on children of growing up in a traditional family home.

Children in single-parent families more likely to suffer emotional problems, report finds
Link to original study
Children whose families struggle to get on are more likely to have mental disorders - Office for National Statistics

The study says, "Children living in families that struggle to function well are more likely to have a mental disorder1 than those from healthy functioning families, new analysis has shown."

A healthy functioning family is not necessarily one with both male and female parents, and the study doesn't say that it is.

Early Mother-Child Separation, Parenting, and Child Well-Being in Early Head Start Families
We tested the associations between early mother-child separation and nine outcomes. Three of these outcomes were significantly related to mother-child separation. In particular, we found associations between early mother-child separation and child negativity at 3 years, and child aggression at both 3 and 5 years.
Early Mother-Child Separation, Parenting, and Child Well-Being in Early Head Start Families

The study says that most of the participants were poor. Do you think that might have something to do with it?

The risk of abuse and neglect in a sole parent family is about seven to ten times greater in a sole parent family than in an intact two-parent family. Children in sole parent families are at significantly greater risk than children in two parent families of falling into delinquency and crime, with father-absence, neglect and absence of supervision identified as the major factors involved.
https://www.cis.org.au/app/uploads/2015/07/pm53.pdf

That's not a study.

Also a major study shows that children do better with married parents than cohabitation parents as being married brings benefits such as security to children.

Cohabitation Contributes to Family Instability Across the Globe

The researchers hold that "part of the disadvantage associated with being born to a single mother may be the heighted risk of subsequent union transitions faced by children of single mothers."
Such "union transitions" — when a child's parent changes sex partners — creates further relationship instability in the families and usually occurs before children turn 12 years old. Rates of child abuse and neglect also rise when these relational dynamics are present.

Cohabitation Contributes to Family Instability Across the Globe

And how does the child tell the difference between two adult figures who are married and who are not married but simply cohabitating?

The studies are comparing single parenting to couple parenting so it is establishing that having two parents is better. As posted above there are many studies that show that single parenting can bring a range of problems with varying seriousness.

Again, two parents does not mean two parents of different genders.

Actually the findings were published in a scientific journal (Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy). Also the other links above are from well credentialed science sources.

No, it's a journal for law review. It's NOT a scientific journal, nor is it a journal of biology, psychology, psychiatry or anything in the field of child mental and emotional development.

It states as highlighted that the father plays an important role in supporting the mother as she develops the attachment and then the father gets more involved after this. As its says
his role often evolves into the safe launching point for the child's accelerated forays into the external world.

And if there is a same sex couple with a woman who has a biological child and that woman's female partner, why would that not work the same way?

But there is plenty of evidence for the importance of a father in the life of a child. This is part of today's critique of men in making out that they are not needed. This is one of the fallout's from the feminist movement who still today try to delete the role of men and make out they are all bad. As a result we are already seeing fathers lose their rights in custody of their children by courts favoring mothers. Many men's identity has been undermined and they don't know who they are or what relevance they have in today's society.

I agree that children need male role models, but a child can have an important male role model without it being a member of their immediate family.

The additional links provide further support. I am not saying that single parents especially mothers cannot do a good job in raiding their children. I am simply saying the the research seems to point to the traditional family being the optimum setup for stability of relationships and raising children. As I have shown the evidence supports this.

Actually, you have ignored the idea of a family of three people raising a child, so perhaps that would work even better? Your argument seems to be cherry picking - you have decided you want a mother/father/child family to be the best, so you only look for sources that support this conclusion.

The Effects of Family Structure on Children
1. A solid, intact family structure can have a significantly positive impact on a child’s present and future wellbeing and offers countless benefits for both adults and children.

2. Children growing up in homes where two parents who have been married continuously are less likely to experience a wide range of problems (academic, social, emotional, cognitive), not only in childhood but later on in adulthood as well (Amato; Howard & Reeves,).

3. In two parent families, for example, children typically have access to more of the economic and community resources because parents are able to pool their time, money and energy; children tend to be more of the focus of the home.

4. Family intactness has also been shown to have a consistently positive influence on earnings for prime-age males and is one of the most important factors (or shared the place of greatest importance) for females and children in determining an area’s dependence on welfare programs that targets poverty.

5. Research also shows that family intactness has a beneficial influence on reducing out of wedlock births, increasing high school and college graduation rates, and even has long-term benefits such as higher employment rates.

6. Children living with married parents are more often involved in community activities such as soccer or other sports, take part in academic pursuits in local schools and other academic institutions that can lead to college, and eventually, a career.

7. Family intactness increases high school and college graduation rates, as well as high employment rates

8. Overall, intact families tend to be more stable; parents tend to be more involved in their children’s lives and are more highly invested in their children’s success.

9. Fathers of intact families spend, on average, more time with their children. They also enjoy greater family cohesion than peers with adopted children or stepchildren (Lansford, et al.).
In summary, children living with both biological parents in a low-conflict marriage tend to do better on a host of outcomes than those living in step-parent families.

10. Children living with both biological parents are 20 to 35 percent more physically healthy than children from broken homes (Dawson).

40 Facts About Two Parent Families | Studies and Statistics

There are 40 facts for children living with two parents and I have only included the first 10. But they mention the benefits of not only having two parents but biological parents.

All these points seem to indicate is that families that are stable give children a good start because the child doesn't need to try to cope with the stress of a changing family structure. It also says that more parental figures make it easier to care for the child and help it develop well. None of this I disagree with. What I disagree with is claiming that children need parents of both genders (I agree they need role models of both genders, but that's different to family members).
 
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This line of your post jumped out at me, and I wondered whether it was part of the core of the issue for you.

The thing is, if men's identity was based on dominating their family, keeping their wives subordinate and so on (the "traditional family"), it is a good thing that that has been undermined, and that we have an opportunity to construct a healthier and more positive masculine identity.
I don't think there was a major issue about men having what is termed toxic masculinity today in the first place to warrant them being pull down and rebuilt. The discourse created by feminism that all men are bad and abuse women is a misrepresentation and it is this that has created a situation where innocent men are becoming targeted and undermined about who they are. It is not a good thing to break down men's identity as this can contribute to the very high mental illness and suicide males are experiencing today. It has gone too far and now men are being unfairly discriminated against.

It right to call out men who are abusive and treat women bad but even some women are recognizing things are going too far and are pulling back. People in general are turning off feminism because it goes too far today in highlighting so called microaggressions by men and scrutinizing men's thoughts to the point that they are too scared to express themselves around women for fear of being labeled a misogynist.

Feminists treat men badly. It’s bad for feminism.

The fixation on men behaving badly distracts from more fundamental issues.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...minists-treat-men-badly-its-bad-for-feminism/
 
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well by all means lets take a look at the facts Coulter presents in her 2011 piece to support her claim that "Destroying the family "is the active social policy of liberals"

Well there is the rub. she doesn't present anything to support that claim. she makes many claims about the children of single mothers, she refers to them as "bastards"
But what has politics got to do with the issue of single mothers and families.

She claims: "Various studies have shown that children raised by single mothers comprise about 70 percent of juvenile murderers" I couldn't find any legitimately published study showing anything of the kind. Of course Coulter doesn't reference these studies....why would she?

She does sort of reference this: "A 1990 study by the (liberal) Progressive Policy Institute showed that, after controlling for single motherhood, the difference in black and white crime rates disappeared." except this supposed 1990 study doesn't exist. The claim originates verbatim on the Conservapedia web sight but they give a fake reference for the study specifically the Manhattan institute which credits an op-ed article from the Philadelphia Enquirer which doesn't mention the Progressive Policy Institute.
This statistic is mentioned by many different sources from political, law sites to blog sites. So it is not just Coulter that is using this. Why would so many respectful sites use the same stats.

There is a reference but to it from many of the sites that use the stat and it comes from Chuck Colson, “How Shall We Live?” Tyndale House , 2004, p.323
https://files.tyndale.com/thpdata/firstChapters/978-0-8423-5588-9.pdf
But I guess you'd have to buy the book to find out where the author got the stat from.

These are some of the sites that use the same stat
72% of juvenile murderers, and 60% of rapists came from single mother homes.
https://www.fixfamilycourts.com/single-mother-home-statistics
Parental Alienation (Canada): Some interesting statistics on single mothers ~ If you want a child to be more vulnerable then put them in a single mother environment

Even Quora which is a popular site that is independent for the public asking questions and getting answers uses the stat.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-so-man...mportant-role-in-mass-shootings?no_redirect=1

It seems even Obama has used the stat in his campaign for the importance of fathers in the US. They actually give a source as: Cornell, Dewey et al. “Characteristics of Adolescents Charged with Homicide.” Behavioral Sciences and the Law 5 (1987): 11-23.
Children's Rights: President Obama on the vital importance of responsible fatherhood.

But lets not get fixated on a stat that may or may not be true as this is taking away from the truth that children of single parents do worse than those who have two parents and a stable family. There are many stats some of which I have linked that support this fact.

Coulter berates single mothers for neglecting their "bastards" while they "go out clubbing"

so you do know how to fact check. amazing. how about fact checking the claims you make here?
This is still really a target on a person in this case Anne Coulter rather than about the truth that children from single parents do worse.
 
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How do you figure this?

If 12% show behaviour problems by the age of seven, what do you think is happening with the other 88%?
It doesnt say so we cannot assume by saying that the other 88% are ok. Their may be other stats which their certainly are that show how children and adolescents from single parent families have other issues besides behavioral problems such as poor education, psychological problems, substance abuse problems and other developmental issues etc.
The study says, "Children living in families that struggle to function well are more likely to have a mental disorder 1 than those from healthy functioning families, new analysis has shown."

A healthy functioning family is not necessarily one with both male and female parents, and the study doesn't say that it is.
I agree that particular study was not specifying which parents are best but it still mentions that single parents children have more problems and that even blended families can cause kids more problems as opposed to their biological parents.

The study says that most of the participants were poor. Do you think that might have something to do with it?
Yes of course poverty has an impact on any situation. But that is part of the problem that single parents cannot be in a position to have as much money and this can lead to other problems like stress and anxiety or children going without and then experiencing poor education or health etc.

But that is only part of the reason. Other factors like a missing father or mothers role can cause problems or that single parents may have a higher rate of certain problems like mental health or poor parenting skills due to their own life experiences that cause them to be single parents etc according to the research.

That's not a study
Sorry I forgot to add the site reference. The paper comes from the
The Centre for Independent Studies which does research for the Australian Government and used to help make policies. If you look at the site address it has CIS in the address.
About CIS - The Centre for Independent Studies

And how does the child tell the difference between two adult figures who are married and who are not married but simply cohabitating?
The study will be looking at the stats compared to married and cohabitation couples which doesn't require a child's knowledge of what is the status of the parents.

Again, two parents does not mean two parents of different genders.
True

No, it's a journal for law review. It's NOT a scientific journal, nor is it a journal of biology, psychology, psychiatry or anything in the field of child mental and emotional development.
Yes but it is still a journal which is peer reviewed and open to the scrutiny of other academics. The authors still cite scientific support for what they write and If you look at the paper at the bottom of each page there is a list of references they have used.

And if there is a same sex couple with a woman who has a biological child and that woman's female partner, why would that not work the same way?
I guess it wold work in a similar way as far as having another loving parent to help. But this cannot substitute for a father especially a biological father just as two men cannot substitute for a mother. There are many studies that show that the role that a mother an father play in child upbringing is important. But that does not mean that same sex couples cannot bring up health and happy children.

I agree that children need male role models, but a child can have an important male role model without it being a member of their immediate family.
Yes of course they can and the more the better.

Actually, you have ignored the idea of a family of three people raising a child, so perhaps that would work even better? Your argument seems to be cherry picking - you have decided you want a mother/father/child family to be the best, so you only look for sources that support this conclusion.
I haven't decided anything. It is the research that shows this. I did not even think of this as this is an unusual setup. I am not sure what you mean though. Many families have additional members help in raising children such as the grandparents or am older sibling and the research shows that this is also good for child rearing and families. But I am not sure about a three way relationship.

All these points seem to indicate is that families that are stable give children a good start because the child doesn't need to try to cope with the stress of a changing family structure. It also says that more parental figures make it easier to care for the child and help it develop well. None of this I disagree with. What I disagree with is claiming that children need parents of both genders (I agree they need role models of both genders, but that's different to family members).
So your more or less saying that the idea of say a father or mother role is redundant and not needed by children.[/quote]
 
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Oh please. I'm a feminist, and I have no interest in dismantling the family. Neither do most feminists. We do, however, have an interest in removing the ways families have been oppressive of women, that is correct. You seem to deny that is or was the case, but for billions of women around the world it remains a daily reality.
You and many other people who identify as feminist may not have this intention but unfortunately it is one of the outcomes in which feminism has contributed too. Like any rights movement it can have its radicals and sometimes they can make more noise which can influence things. It cannot be denied taht there were those in the movement like Germaine Greer who made out the traditional family and motherhood was oppressive to women's ability to be free and independent. It stands to reason, if the traditional family was seen as patriarchal then the traditional family would have been seen as oppressive.

Ah, no. The divide was there under patriarchy; it was that divide which was used to deny women autonomy, education, employment, and so on. It is feminism which seeks to overcome the divide and create a true partnership of equals.

I certainly see a family where "men have the control" as a dangerous thing. But that doesn't mean I want to "break" families, or undermine men, it means I want power and control to be shared between men and women.
I agree that equality for women is important and that feminism helped identify and stop the power men tried to have. But I think it has gone too far and has now become a political movement for some. What I mean being dividing is that though feminism may have intended to seek equality by making things political and focusing things on gender this can create a gender divide. That is why people are moving away from feminism as they see it as being divisive.

Social justice is a movement which wants to see liberation from oppression, protection for the vulnerable and restoration for those who have been exploited. That's not necessarily the same thing as tearing down capitalism, although it does require checks on the way an unbridled capitalist system will oppress and exploit people, especially the vulnerable.

This has also been influenced by modernity (critical questioning of everything) which basically rejects science in favor of personal and subjective views.
Unfortunately like feminism has been politicized so has society and western culture. Many demonize western culture as well and want to tear it down and replace it with socialism. There is a form of feminism known as Marxist feminism which holds these ideals and is said to be a predominate ideal today. This is known as the fourth wave of feminism that mixes post modern ideology with feminism and spreads feminist theory from gender to society where all of society is oppressive.

I'm suggesting that the problem isn't "society," it's employers. (See my above point about the exploitativeness and oppressiveness of unbridled capitalism). It's employers who require long working days, long working weeks and a lack of flexibility. It's employers who end up structuring the lives of families in ways which are not family friendly. If we want to make real change there, don't rail at the lack of a "traditional" family, make it possible for people to work and still be a functional part of their family.
This is a vet Marxist view and that is what I am saying is the new ideology that has been creeping in. Yes some employers can be oppressive but I don't think it is as bad as some make out. I agree that capitalistic ideals and materialism is not a good basis for social welfare. The state has been diminishing its responsibility to help the needy and left things to privatization which is wrong. Butr some are taking this further by wanting to demonize western civilization as well and reject everything the west stands for. This seems to be a growing trend with SJW.
 
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