President Signs Climate Change Bill

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You have mistaken correlation for cause. Furthermore, in the top ten of hurricanes as measured by low barometric pressure, five have occurred in the 21st century. There is not an upward trend in storm strength as you assert.

List of Atlantic hurricane records - Wikipedia

Five in the 150 years before 2000. 1 in every 30 years.
Five in the 20 years since 2000. 1 in every 4 years.

Looks like an upward trend to me.
 
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Thank you. My new iPad is very twitchy and fast compared to my old one. I’m making more typing mistakes. Cant stand these things for anything other than reading.

But how else could I pop off unpopular opinions in between work?!?
I have an external keyboard plugged into my Surface. It works well. Can you do that to your iPad?
 
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5 of the top 10 in the 21 century . We are just barely 20 years in . The 10 strongest hurricanes ever and 5 are recent . But you don’t see the upwards trend . Mitch just barely scraped by in 1998 the tail end of the 20th
 
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Unless his "acknowledgement" of climate change includes acknowledging that things like fossil fuels and over-consumption of red meat are the major contributing factors that have caused the climate to deviate from the normal warming and cooling periods, then it's not really an acknowledgement at all...just a way to act like he's doing something while still pandering to his base.
 
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I have an external keyboard plugged into my Surface. It works well. Can you do that to your iPad?

I think so. Never thought about it because I use iPad as a phone (VOIP) and am on the run when using it. Thanks for suggestion.
 
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5 of the top 10 in the 21 century . We are just barely 20 years in . The 10 strongest hurricanes ever and 5 are recent . But you don’t see the upwards trend . Mitch just barely scraped by in 1998 the tail end of the 20th

Ah but you cannot be sure that it will continue. You have no idea that it will. And you have no idea that it was caused by man. It could very well be natural.
 
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Five in the 150 years before 2000. 1 in every 30 years.
Five in the 20 years since 2000. 1 in every 4 years.

Looks like an upward trend to me.

You are comparing inappropriately shorter cycles to longer ones. We're only twenty years into the 21st century for one, and we're talking about record setting storms. You're not looking at all storms.

The number of storms has remained the same since 1880 on average. There is no increase. The increase in observed storms that last less than two days is likely due to better methods of observation, not that they didn't happen at the same frequency in past years.

That's what NOAA says about it.

Existing records of past Atlantic tropical storm numbers (1878 to present) in fact do show a pronounced upward trend, correlated with rising SSTs (see Figs. 1 and 9 of Vecchi and Knutson 2008). However, the density of reporting ship traffic over the Atlantic was relatively sparse during the early decades of this record, such that if storms from the modern era (post 1965) had hypothetically occurred during those earlier decades, a substantial number would likely not have been directly observed by the ship-based “observing network of opportunity.” We find that, after adjusting for such an estimated number of missing storms, there is a small nominally positive upward trend in tropical storm occurrence from 1878-2006. But statistical tests reveal that this trend is so small, relative to the variability in the series, that it is not significantly distinguishable from zero (Figure 2).

There is no increase in tropical storm activity. You are listening to hysteria and hype, not science.
 
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Ah but you cannot be sure that it will continue. You have no idea that it will. And you have no idea that it was caused by man. It could very well be natural.
volcanos do vent CO2 but not enough to cause the rapid rise to 415 ppm since the industrial revolution. Yes this rise in CO2 is caused by us humans
 
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Hype and hysteria huh ? This was right on the NOAA homepage. That high water temperature is what’s fueling the storms
 
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View attachment 270548 Hype and hysteria huh ? This was right on the NOAA homepage. That high water temperature is what’s fueling the storms

We know that they're fudging the data. And then there's the obvious that we haven't had instruments to measure any of this for the entire history of the planet and those that we employ now are in biased locations such as airports.

We were talking about storms though, not temperature. I quoted the NOAA which says that there has been no appreciable increase in hurricanes.
 
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Doesn’t matter how long any one CO2 molecule sticks around . It matters how much extra humans are putting into the atmosphere by deforestation and burning fossil fuels

It actually does matter because the earth has natural sinks which regulate the amount of C02 in the atmosphere without humans doing a thing.
 
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Doesn’t matter how long any one CO2 molecule sticks around . It matters how much extra humans are putting into the atmosphere by deforestation and burning fossil fuels


Here's a wonderful scorecard on the state of climate science. In 40 years they have yet to make an accurate prediction based on their models. The fruit of any science is the predictions it can make which hold true.

Climatology has a dismal record.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/hoyt/scorecard.htm
 
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It actually does matter because the earth has natural sinks which regulate the amount of C02 in the atmosphere without humans doing a thing.
and we’re still adding so much CO2 to the atmosphere that we’re gaining about 2-4 ppm per year
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Here's a wonderful scorecard on the state of climate science. In 40 years they have yet to make an accurate prediction based on their models. The fruit of any science is the predictions it can make which hold true.

Climatology has a dismal record.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/hoyt/scorecard.htm
Back in the day when Bush Sr was president. Scientists presented him with evidence of global warming and he helped arrange for the IPCC to get started. One prediction made during the 50s was that during the 90s the average Joe should be able to detect the warming trend because it would become obvious That prediction has come true .
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Here's a wonderful scorecard on the state of climate science. In 40 years they have yet to make an accurate prediction based on their models. The fruit of any science is the predictions it can make which hold true.

Climatology has a dismal record.

http://www.warwickhughes.com/hoyt/scorecard.htm

I hope the fossil fuel industry is paying you well for your effort to spread disinformation.

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Back in the day when Bush Sr was president. Scientists presented him with evidence of global warming and he helped arrange for the IPCC to get started. One prediction made during the 50s was that during the 90s the average Joe should be able to detect the warming trend because it would become obvious That prediction has come true .View attachment 270552

A graph which is supported by numbers we know are being inappropriately manipulated is not proof if climate change predictions coming true. They are separate issues and you are simply whistling past the graveyard. You don't understand the science yourself. Show the prediction and then we'll talk about it. We haven't detected a warming trend. The IPCC is a corrupt organization which has been caught with its pants down on more than one occasion. The hockey stick graph is the most famous of its falsehoods.
 
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