Is having sinful desires an act of sin?

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Is having sinful desires an act of sin if you don't act out on it?

For example: I can get seething with anger in my head when things don't work out the way I expected, but I just can't prevent it from happening. It just goes automatically. The good thing is that I managed with God's help to not act out on it, it doesn't go further than my thoughts. But my question now is if this is still a commitment of sin or not?
 
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Is having sinful desires an act of sin if you don't act out on it?

For example: I can get seething with anger in my head when things don't work out the way I expected, but I just can't prevent it from happening. It just goes automatically. The good thing is that I managed with God's help to not act out on it, it doesn't go further than my thoughts. But my question now is if this is still a commitment of sin or not?

No.

Demons can cause involuntary physical feelings and thoughts but you Are responsible for your actions caused from those thoughts and feelings.

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If you dwell on a negative thought and entertain it that could also be a sin if you are doing something in your heart. But the initial thought in my opinion is not a sin.


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@Jacob Black , can a person be angry without sinning...?

“'Be angry, and do not sin': do not let the sun go down on your wrath,..." Ephesians 4:26 NKJV
 
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Is having sinful desires an act of sin if you don't act out on it?

For example: I can get seething with anger in my head when things don't work out the way I expected, but I just can't prevent it from happening. It just goes automatically. The good thing is that I managed with God's help to not act out on it, it doesn't go further than my thoughts. But my question now is if this is still a commitment of sin or not?
No. You can "be angry but do not sin". If you stay angry as you go to bed, then that is a problem that needs to be dealt with.
As a side note, outbursts of anger are a result of a problem with pride.
 
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Is having sinful desires an act of sin if you don't act out on it?

For example: I can get seething with anger in my head when things don't work out the way I expected, but I just can't prevent it from happening. It just goes automatically. The good thing is that I managed with God's help to not act out on it, it doesn't go further than my thoughts. But my question now is if this is still a commitment of sin or not?
you bet it's sin. but don't be discouraged.....Obedience isn’t about you. Idk who needs that reminder. But it isn’t about you. When you say Yes to God, you’re saying no to your flesh. And once you realize that, surrender becomes easier because you don’t have to worry about yourself. Because you know it’s not about you. It's about Him alone, and doing what pleases Him. Slowly as we are more patient with others around us and gain wisdom and understanding that comes with being patient, those thoughts of anger will go away, but it's a process.

Most passages about being angry and not sinning, don't involve being infuratied on the inside. Yes you can be upset, but if it's emotionally infuriating you, patience is needed for sure.
 
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Is having sinful desires an act of sin if you don't act out on it?

For example: I can get seething with anger in my head when things don't work out the way I expected, but I just can't prevent it from happening. It just goes automatically. The good thing is that I managed with God's help to not act out on it, it doesn't go further than my thoughts. But my question now is if this is still a commitment of sin or not?

I don't know whether it's sin or not, to be honest.

We all have periodic emotions, sadness, anger, whatever; we are still human and it's always a matter of how emotions affect us. My daughter died a few years back, and I still cry sometimes because I miss her etc.

It's a question, I would imagine, of to what extent our emotions are controlling us. The occasional cry or feeling of anger isn't a big deal unless you can't control it; unless it's more frequent or it affects normal life.

It sounds like what your dealing with is, to a degree, more extreme than the well rounded person who gets mad on a rare occasion..

You might like to seek enrolling in anger management classes; many people in fields that deal with the general public a lot, such as the health care industry, or people in high stress jobs often take anger management courses because it can be helpful to do so as we all get angry sometimes, and it's good to be able to deal with that in a healthy manner instead of waiting until something occurs one time too many and you loose your cool.

So with you it sounds like such a course would be helpful for you, and anyone can sign up to take a course.
 
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Is having sinful desires an act of sin if you don't act out on it?

For example: I can get seething with anger in my head when things don't work out the way I expected, but I just can't prevent it from happening. It just goes automatically. The good thing is that I managed with God's help to not act out on it, it doesn't go further than my thoughts. But my question now is if this is still a commitment of sin or not?
Our walks are imperfect and the problem here is not abiding in Christ before the anger raises it's ugly head.
 
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Is having sinful desires an act of sin if you don't act out on it?

For example: I can get seething with anger in my head when things don't work out the way I expected, but I just can't prevent it from happening. It just goes automatically. The good thing is that I managed with God's help to not act out on it, it doesn't go further than my thoughts. But my question now is if this is still a commitment of sin or not?

There are different positions on the subject.

In Western theology we talk about concupiscence, the inborn and inwardly directed lusts of the flesh; the proclivity toward sin with which we were all born with on account of Original Sin. But there are two fundamentally different positions about it (in the West):

In the Catholic tradition concupiscence is not itself sin, but is only the proclivity toward sin. It represents a wound in human nature.

In the Lutheran tradition concupiscence is sin. Our human nature hasn't been merely wounded, but is in fact dead, we are totally depraved. But that needs a little further explanation, "total depravity" does not mean "completely and utterly evil", but rather means that our depravity (which means "bent" or "curved") toward sin and selfishness is total, i.e. every facet of our humanity has been stained by sin. So that even our will, our thoughts, our feelings, etc are sinful.

Other Protestants will have varying and different positions on the subject. Some closer to the Catholic view and some closer to the Lutheran view.

So whether or not one considers our sinful desires to be in and of themselves sinful, in a sense, depends on whether one regards our sinful condition to itself be sinful or if only our actual sins constitute sinfulness.

From the Lutheran perspective to acknowledge the totality of our sinfulness is not a cause of massive grief and despair, but rather is an invitation for us to be honest about ourselves, that we are sinners, and as sinners we can hear the word of the gracious and loving God who rescues, redeems, and saves us through Christ. That is the Gospel, and the Gospel is for sinners. As we read, "This is a trustworthy saying worthy of complete acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, and I am the chief of sinners." (1 Timothy 1:15)

So as we recognize ourselves as sinners, humbly before God; we confess our sins knowing that God's judgment by the Law is over our sin. But such confession is not confession made in hopelessness, but in the hopefulness of the pure good word of the Gospel which is our very salvation--for the Gospel is the very power of God Himself to save us. And save us He has done and is doing and will continue to do. For He is Faithful and True.

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Isaiah 55 says: "Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts, and let him return unto the LORD... for He will abundantly pardon..."

thank you for showing me that .... thanks for correcting me on that
 
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Is having sinful desires an act of sin if you don't act out on it?

For example: I can get seething with anger in my head when things don't work out the way I expected, but I just can't prevent it from happening. It just goes automatically. The good thing is that I managed with God's help to not act out on it, it doesn't go further than my thoughts. But my question now is if this is still a commitment of sin or not?
The fact that you took it to God indicates that it is not a sin.

You did exactly as David did in the Psalms. He "poured out ALL of his hearts contents" before the Lord, thus indicating his "transparent" heart before the Lord, which the Lord God finds very precious.

This quote below comes to mind.

Welcome to CF, Jacob. :)

"Tell God all that is in your heart, as one unloads one’s heart, its pleasures and its pains, to a dear friend. Tell God your troubles, that God may comfort you; tell God your joys, that God may sober them; tell God your longings, that God may purify them; tell God your dislikes, that God may help you conquer them; talk to God of your temptations, that God may shield you from them: show God the wounds of your heart, that God may heal them. If you thus pour out all your weaknesses, needs, troubles, there will be no lack of what to say. Talk out of the abundance of the heart, without consideration say just what you think. Blessed are they who attain to such familiar, unreserved intimacy with God." ~Francois Fene'lon
 
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Is having sinful desires an act of sin if you don't act out on it?

For example: I can get seething with anger in my head when things don't work out the way I expected, but I just can't prevent it from happening. It just goes automatically. The good thing is that I managed with God's help to not act out on it, it doesn't go further than my thoughts. But my question now is if this is still a commitment of sin or not?

The bible let's us know in various places, that anger is an emotion that we are likely to have. It is not so much as sin, but it occurs due to external pressure upon us. That said we should do all we can to minimize the feeling. We need to fight against both anger in our thoughts, and anger in our actions. A fruit of the Holy Spirit is peace, and gentleness, we should spend a decent amount of time in prayer to be filed with God's peace and gentleness.
 
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