Judaism or Christianity?

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Note to reader: It’s the hopes of this poster that viewers understand and apply the truths of Israel’s eschatology to their faith; and it is also acknowledged concerning the suspicion that most will find this doctrine unfamiliar, and so, initially difficult to understand or lacking interest. God bless us to know and receive all the truths of His Word!



It’s becoming more obvious all the time that Christendom in general has yet to understand God’s permanent union with His people Israel. No doubt there will be confusion when thinking that believers of God among the Israelites are “cast away” when Scripture states otherwise. Some may, and understandably so due to its reading, direct attention to Romans 11:15 and see a contradiction to verse 2, but as it is often used, this is merely a hyperbolic expression giving the sense that “what if they were cast away,” or “even if they were cast away.” The reply in verse 15 is that the “receiving of them” would be “but life from the dead”; but verse 26 is the strongest proponent of this doctrine, unless one is bereft of conceiving the errant teaching (which some have) that all Christians now represent Israel. The most important instruction here concerns the truth that in the time of God’s rejection concerning fellowship with Israel, there is a copious presence of Scripture attesting to His promise that He “will not forsake His people” (1Sa 12:22).

Even Protestantism has not understood this all important truth that concerns Jewish believers in God (but not yet in Christ - Jn 14:1); of which faith that can never be said concerning the majority of the world). Many within Christendom have gone as far as to devise an erroneous name for an erroneous system—Judeo-Christian! This also parallels the false concept that Israel is now all who are Christian, which greatly confuses the truths within God’s Word concerning Israel’s eschatology.

“Judaism is considered by religious Jews to be the expression of the covenant that God established with the Children of Israel” (Wikipedia). This is the first Covenant between God and the nation of Israel through Moses, the man of God. I say “first” because there will be a last and “New Covenant” with them, which when established will be eternal and solely between them and God; and which will be separate from the present and eternal Covenant between God and His Son (Christianity, which is nowhere written or said to be between God and man, but for man).

This doctrine of the two eternal peoples of God was revealed (which is seemingly the most discrete doctrine in the Word of God) after Christ’s coming through the Apostle Paul’s writings in unison with OT prophecies concerning it. Of course, what one may conclude concerning these teachings has no bearing on any essential doctrine of salvation; and myself, I believe its teachings will be mostly unknown and difficult to understand until the Millennium.
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The Lord Jesus Christ is the center of the counsels of God, and hence of prophecy, which treats of the earth and His government of it for His own glory. Such is the importance of Israel, from whom, as according to the flesh, came Christ who is over all, God blessed forever! They are His people by a choice and calling which cannot fail in the end, though there may be and has been a fall and a long continued disowning of them in God’s righteous judgment of their apostasy (which I think is not an apostasy of Israel because they never have accepted the truths concerning Christ to depart from it—NC). But mercy will restore them ere long, humbly, joyfully, welcoming the Messiah they have long rejected.

This has been feebly seen, nay, generally denied, throughout Christendom for ages. Scarcely any error is more patent throughout the Fathers (so called—NC) than the substitution of the Church for Israel in all their system of thought. Every Father, whose writings have come down to us, is a witness of the same allegorizing interpretations, not only the Alexandrian school of Clement and Origen, but Justin Martyr, Iranaeus and Pseudo-Barnabas. The Latins followed in the same wake, not Augustine and Ruffinus and Jerome only, but Tertullian, Cyprian and Lactantius.

Not one held the restoration of Israel to their land, converted nationally (Isa 45:17; Rom 11:26—NC); the millenarian portion expected that the risen saints would reign with Christ in Jerusalem rebuilt, adorned and enlarged, not that the Jews should be restored and blessed in the land. The medieval writers naturally adopted the same view. So did the Reformers without exception, as far as I am aware. All fell into the error of putting the Church into the place of Israel, and so of leaving no room for His earthly people, besides His heavenly saints and glorified Bride.

They neglected the warning of the Apostle Paul, and assumed that the Jewish branches were broken off that the Gentiles might be grafted in, and forever (not into the earthly place but the “heavenly places - Eph 2:6”—NC). They did not take heed to the prophetic word, as Peter exhorts (2Pe 1:19), but applied systematically the predictions of Israel’s blessings in the last days to the Christian Church. Still less did they appreciate the day dawning or the day star rising in their heart. Catholics, Protestants, had no real light, no spiritual intelligence, as to the hopes of Israel (Act 28:20 – God’s eternal earthly representatives—NC) as distinct from those of Christians (heavenly representatives—NC).

Is it not as solemn as it is startling to see thus beyond just question the immediate, universal and lasting departure of the Christian profession from prophetic truth? The divine glory in Christ for all things in heaven and on earth being the blessed and revealed purpose of God (Eph 1:10); and when this is forgotten, false hopes spring up. Man, self, becomes the end, instead of the Lord Jesus; the true light is lost, and darkness ensues in the just retribution of God. The effort to make the Church all, instead of preserving the true dignity of the Church as the heavenly spouse of the Lord Jesus, lowers her to the position of earthly Israel, a people reigned over, not reigning with Him, His inheritance, not heirs of God and joint-heirs with Christ (it’s been said that Israel has a priesthood, but Christians are a priesthood - 1Pe 2:5, 9; Rev 1:6; 5:10).

The future acts of God as revealed in the prophetic Word are the expressions of the principles on which He will govern the world; and so His Word is the means by which alone we learn these principles fully. If we fail to ascertain them thus, we form our own thoughts of that which God gave us, prophecy whereby we know His mind. Our business is to gather of what and whom God speaks; and no greater delusion can befall us than to imagine that, because all Scripture is for our profit all must be about ourselves.

The purpose of God as to the Jews is in its place as truly the object of faith as His counsels concerning the Church (God knowing Israel’s future unbelief concerning Christ ordained them to be under heaven, and the believer’s place in Christ with Him in heaven—NC). Thus, the apprehension of His various ways for glorifying His Son is essential to real understanding of His Word. Here, as everywhere, a single eye is essential. With the Lord Jesus before us, the whole body will not fail to be full of light (Mat 6:22).

Is not this to take away Scripture from the Christian? Quite the contrary! To understand it according to God is the truest and richest gain; to misapply it to ourselves in Gentile conceit is ruinous (concerning our understanding—NC). Yet there is no instruction in the past or future history of Israel as revealed in the Bible which is not for, though not about, the Church (because the entirety of Scripture “is profitable” - 2Ti 3:1—NC). That such scriptures concerning the Jew may have been written so as to bear an analogous application to the Gentiles is not denied (e.g. God bringing both peoples to Himself—NC); but the application calls for the utmost caution and a “right dividing of the “Word of Truth” (2Ti 2:15), because each economy or dispensation has its own peculiarities, and in not a few things there are confessedly decided and intended contrasts.

It is an error therefore to read the Church in Judah and Israel, Zion and Jerusalem; and the effect of this alchemy which the Fathers originated (as I believe most were Gnostics, which number well more than those listed in the second paragraph of this article—NC) and handed down to both popery and Protestantism alike have been not only to rob Israel of their proper hope, but to lower that of the Church incalculably.

Yet no maxim of interpretation can compare with this most misleading identification for importance, antiquity, or widespread reception. Since the Apostles, perhaps beyond every other tradition, has this been accepted always, everywhere, and by all. Fathers, Romanists, Reformers, have alike applied it habitually in their comments, as well as practice.

But these are points of detail, all of which together are a trifle compared with the one grand principle which effaces Israel from prophecy and instills the Church in their stead. What can be thought of the judgment that could overlook an error so transcendent, vitiating all sound exposition of both Old Testament and New from Genesis to Revelation?

One can account for it by two considerations: first, a quite superficial estimate of the evil involved in this old and general error; secondly, a very exaggerated feeling against those who looked for a personal Antichrist among the Jews and a future revival of the Roman Empire before the age ends, lest it should weaken Protestantism in the face of the popish reawakening in our day.

There is no adequate sense of wrong which has been already done the truth for nearly eighteen centuries (this article written circa 1830’s) and the darkening influence which Judaizing the Church has wrought far and wide in Christendom, among the Orientals, Greeks, Latins, as well as Protestants more recently, throughout all its history save the first century.

The feverish doubt caused by a few fanciful essayists like Drs. Maitland, Todd, Burgh, Messrs, Tyso, Dodsworth and the like, were slight indeed compared with the original paralysis in the distinct perception of the Christian’s heavenly privileges in union with the Lord Jesus Christ on high, or in the just recognition of God’s fidelity to Israel. What an indignity religion puts on every person of the Godhead alike, on the grace and truth which came by Jesus Christ, when it drags souls back to the dread distance of Judaism (the Law was a great “veil” between God and Israel, due to its right to condemn via revealing Israel’s sins to them—NC).


— Wm Kelly (1821 – 1906)
 

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Hi wordsword,

It's my understanding that Judaism is a faith, established by God, in part,for the purpose of separating His people from the other nations of the world. It was God's purpose to do this so that His people would complete the part of His plan to make Himself known to all of mankind through His oracles. Also, as the prophecy given to Daniel explains, His people were to bring in the Messiah, the final piece of God's great plan for which He raised up a nation of people upon the earth to do His bidding, just as He pretty clearly explained to Abraham.

However, throughout the entirety of the old covenant, there is no mention of eternal salvation for the one who keeps the law of Judaism. The only mention of eternal salvation is when God is explaining to them about His soon coming Messiah. The servant on whom He would pour out His Spirit and who would take away the sins of the world.

So Judaism, as a religious faith, is no longer operable. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't any Jews and God has held out promises for His people, the Jew, for the ages. His people are still a working part of the final end that is to come upon the earth before Jesus establishes his 1,000 year reign. But just as the Scriptures declare, when we get to the end of this age, both Jew and Gentile will be saved based on their faith in the work of His servant and our Lord, Jesus.

That's my understanding. The Scriptures detail a centuries long plan of God working with the will and the hands of His people, to cause to be written for us, His word; His oracles. Then, as their final work, they brought in the Messiah and killed him as the final and only effective sacrificial Lamb of God for sin. This, I believe, is exactly what Jesus was referring to when he looked up to the heavens and declared to his Father, "It is finished!"

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Hi wordsword,
However, throughout the entirety of the old covenant, there is no mention of eternal salvation for the one who keeps the law of Judaism. The only mention of eternal salvation is when God is explaining to them about His soon coming Messiah.
Hi Brother, and thanks for your comments! All of the believers in God before Christ were saved (we can also see how many time salvation is used in the OT concerning God's people Israel) according to His forgiveness that derived from their law of the "sin offering" (e.g. Num 15:25).

So Judaism, as a religious faith, is no longer operable. However, that doesn't mean that there aren't any Jews and God has held out promises for His people, the Jew, for the ages. His people are still a working part of the final end that is to come upon the earth before Jesus establishes his 1,000 year reign.
The method (dispensation) of the Law of Moses (Judaism) has been "taken way" (Heb 7:18, 19; 8:7-13; 12:27, 28), and since Christ, "there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby
we must be saved" (Act 4:12).

I also believe it's during the Millennium when Israel will be taught of Christ and by all Christians reigning with Him over the earth at that time.

God bless you Friend in Christ!
 
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Hi wordsword,

Thanks for your reply:
(we can also see how many time salvation is used in the OT concerning God's people Israel)

I haven't found any text to support that. Can you show me what you're using?

Here's what I have. The Lord spoke unto Israel:

"Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the LORD.” Leviticus 19:37

Then for the next 7 chapters, as we divide our modern bibles, God proclaims His decrees and commands. In chapter 26 we then find the Lord explaining to His people their reward for obedience and then their consequence for disobedience. Here is what the reward is for keeping all of the decrees and commands of the Lord:


"If you follow my decrees and are careful to obey my commands, I will send you rain in its season, and the ground will yield its crops and the trees their fruit. Your threshing will continue until grape harvest and the grape harvest will continue until planting, and you will eat all the food you want and live in safety in your land. I will grant peace in the land, and you will lie down and no one will make you afraid. I will remove wild beasts from the land, and the sword will not pass through your country. You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you. Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you. I will look on you with favor and make you fruitful and increase your numbers, and I will keep my covenant with you. You will still be eating last year’s harvest when you will have to move it out to make room for the new. I will put my dwelling place among you, and I will not abhor you. I will walk among you and be your God, and you will be my people. I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt so that you would no longer be slaves to the Egyptians; I broke the bars of your yoke and enabled you to walk with heads held high."

Then we read the consequences for disobedience:

“‘But if you will not listen to me and carry out all these commands, and if you reject my decrees and abhor my laws and fail to carry out all my commands and so violate my covenant, then I will do this to you: I will bring on you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and sap your strength. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it. I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies; those who hate you will rule over you, and you will flee even when no one is pursuing you. If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over. I will break down your stubborn pride and make the sky above you like iron and the ground beneath you like bronze. Your strength will be spent in vain, because your soil will not yield its crops, nor will the trees of your land yield their fruit. If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve. I will send wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children, destroy your cattle and make you so few in number that your roads will be deserted. If in spite of these things you do not accept my correction but continue to be hostile toward me, I myself will be hostile toward you and will afflict you for your sins seven times over. And I will bring the sword on you to avenge the breaking of the covenant. When you withdraw into your cities, I will send a plague among you, and you will be given into enemy hands. When I cut off your supply of bread, ten women will be able to bake your bread in one oven, and they will dole out the bread by weight. You will eat, but you will not be satisfied. If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. I myself will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins. Then the land will enjoy its sabbath years all the time that it lies desolate and you are in the country of your enemies; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths. All the time that it lies desolate, the land will have the rest it did not have during the sabbaths you lived in it. As for those of you who are left, I will make their hearts so fearful in the lands of their enemies that the sound of a windblown leaf will put them to flight. They will run as though fleeing from the sword, and they will fall, even though no one is pursuing them. They will stumble over one another as though fleeing from the sword, even though no one is pursuing them. So you will not be able to stand before your enemies. You will perish among the nations; the land of your enemies will devour you. Those of you who are left will waste away in the lands of their enemies because of their sins; also because of their ancestors’ sins they will waste away. But if they will confess their sins and the sins of their ancestors—their unfaithfulness and their hostility toward me,
which made me hostile toward them so that I sent them into the land of their enemies—then when their uncircumcised hearts are humbled and they pay for their sin, I will remember my covenant with Jacob and my covenant with Isaac and my covenant with Abraham, and I will remember the land. For the land will be deserted by them and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them. They will pay for their sins because they rejected my laws and abhorred my decrees. Yet in spite of this, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them or abhor them so as to destroy them completely, breaking my covenant with them. I am the LORD their God. But for their sake I will remember the covenant with their ancestors whom I brought out of Egypt in the sight of the nations to be their God. I am the LORD.”


Notice please, no mention of eternal life for all of their sacrifices and offerings, only a good life while living upon the earth. No eternal death for not keeping the commands and decrees of the Lord. Only a life of suffering and fear while living upon the earth. When God's word introduces His servant, that is when God tells us about eternal life. He says through His prophet Isaiah:

“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

And again in Lukes account of God's promise spoken by His prophet Zechariah:

"He has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David."

As I understand the Scriptures, it has always and forever been that Jesus would be our Savior. The suffering servant of God most high would provide us with the true spoken testimony of our God and then lay down his life as the atonement for our sin. All those animal sacrifices did was keep Israel alive until we were able to get to the point where Jesus would declear, "It is finished!"

Zechariah seems to have also understood that it was Jesus who was the horn of salvation through which God would save both Jew and Gentile. That the 'horn of salvation' was only just now being revealed to us that we might gain God's salvation.

I respectfully disagree that by keeping the law, any Jew as ever 'saved'. Even the Scriptures declare that by the keeping of the law shall no flesh be saved. The purpose of the law was to establish a people holy unto God. A people who, through the covenant with Abraham, were raised up to do God's bidding upon the earth until we got to..."It is finished!"

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Hi wordsword,

Thanks for your reply:

I haven't found any text to support that. Can you show me what you're using?
I appreciate your inclusive comments, but it appears we will be disagreeing on this issue, and the salvation of those pre-Cross is so ominous in Scripture that it would appear we might be arguing due to unnecessarily discussing copious passages like. e.g Isa 45:17.
 
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There is only one way of salvation and that is through faith in Jesus.
Israel will indeed be saved through there faith in him.

To believe otherwise is to say that God has two standards for salvation, by faith for Christians and by works for devout Jews.
 
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There is only one way of salvation and that is through faith in Jesus.
Israel will indeed be saved through there faith in him.

To believe otherwise is to say that God has two standards for salvation, by faith for Christians and by works for devout Jews.
The "one new man" as we can see is the Jew and Gentile that believes in Christ. But the remaining Jews who do not yet believe in Him are a separate but involved company with God. Though not believing in Christ they do believe in God (Jn 14:1), which has been their (many but not all) practice since Abraham. This is much more than can be said concerning the majority of mankind, who will remain in unbelief, and is why Israel is God's people and will finally believe in Christ after seeing Him in the Millennium. But not believing until they see Him results in a lesser position than the Christian (Jn 20:29). In this passage belief in His resurrection is directly referred to, but it is no less significant concerning faith in His being.
 
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The "one new man" as we can see is the Jew and Gentile that believes in Christ. But the remaining Jews who do not yet believe in Him are a separate but involved company with God. Though not believing in Christ they do believe in God (Jn 14:1), which has been their (many but not all) practice since Abraham. This is much more than can be said concerning the majority of mankind, who will remain in unbelief, and is why Israel is God's people and will finally believe in Christ after seeing Him in the Millennium. But not believing until they see Him results in a lesser position than the Christian (Jn 20:29). In this passage belief in His resurrection is directly referred to, but it is no less significant concerning faith in His being.
You are saying that there are TWO ways to get to God.
Through faith in Jesus and through being a 'believing Jew'.

If they believe in Jesus I would agree with you, if they don't believe in Jesus they are not saved.
God's covenant has two parts.
What God will do and what Israel was to do, they are not fulfilling there part of the covenant.
 
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It would not seem correct to conceive that Jeremiah’s prophesy concerning Israel’s future “New Covenant’ could be the Christian’s present Covenant in Christ’s Blood because this Covenant that Jesus declared to the Jews (Luk 22:20; 1Co 11:25) is not between God and man (nowhere is this even alluded to), but between God and His Son (Heb 13:20). The Jer 31:31 prophesy is a future and eternal covenant between God and man--Israel.
 
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I think before any more comments or opinions can be made I feel there are a couple issues needing addressed. First and foremost is the teaching of “The Covenant of Redemption,” because its doctrine is the basis of my understanding Israel’s eschatology, and is the Covenant presumed to be the present. “The covenant of redemption is the eternal agreement within the Godhead in which the Father appointed the Son to become incarnate, suffer, and die as a federal head of mankind to make an atonement for their sin. In return, the Father promised to raise Christ from the dead, glorify him, and give him a people.” (Wikipedia®)

If this doctrine is true (which is my belief for a while) then the new covenant (as mentioned earlier) of Israel shown in Jer 31:31 cannot be the proposed Covenant here mentioned in Christ’s Blood which presently and eternally exists in Christianity. The other difficulty (IMO) is that if “all Israel” and “the Israel of God” refer to all who are reborn in Christ among the Jews and Gentiles, there would need to be an explanation of the dominant usage of Jewish language presented with these terms in Scripture.

Myself, I’ve been researching the doctrine of Israel’s end times in God’s plans for a few decades now, and I’m more conclusive than not in believing that the Everlasting Covenant (Heb 13:20) is between God and His Son and not God and man. There is still much information to take in for me to be completely decided on this issue and in the meantime I will only be trying to reply to directly-related comments to these concepts; which again, have no reflection on the essential doctrines of salvation.
 
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