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Nope. I was right.

"And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament,"
(Hebrews 9:15).​

The "he" is in reference to Jesus.
Jesus is the mediator of the New Testament or New Covenant.

The foundation of the New Covenant is Jesus Christ. For no man can lay any other foundation but Jesus Christ.

"For no one can lay any other foundation than that which has been laid, which is Jesus Christ.." (1 Corinthians 3:11) (BLB).
The saints are laid upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ being the chief cornerstone:

"Now therefore you are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone;" (Ephesians 2:19-20).
What on Earth you think the foundation is built upon other than what is stated plainly in Scripture here is scary to say the least.
Here is the foundation upon which the new covenant stands. You do not understand its outworking in believers lives:
The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 ‘This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’

17 Then he adds:

‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.’
Heb10:15-17
 
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Some sins do lead to death. Apostasy leads to death if the person does not repent.
I agree. But it seems rather obvious. If we are saved by grace through faith, then we can lose salvation by apostasy.
The question of whether certain sins lead to death if not confessed makes me wonder if a murderer who doesn't repent could be saved, because they would surely be grieving the Spirit. But I don't know, so I'm not going to claim to know what sin ( other than unbelief) is unforgivable. As far as I can tell, only final rejection of the Spirit is.
 
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If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.
2Tim2:12&13

He is faithful to do what exactly?

“But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:33‬ ‭NASB‬‬

He is faithful to do what He said He would do.
 
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If we disown him,
he will also disown us;
13 if we are faithless,
he remains faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.
2Tim2:12&13

The King James says, "If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself." (2 Timothy 2:13). A person is saved by God's grace through faith. We cannot be saved without belief or without faith. Besides even if you wanted this to be in reference to "faithless" instead of belief, James says that faith without works is dead (James 2:17). A dead faith cannot save anyone. Even the demons believe and tremble (James 2:19).
 
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He is faithful to do what exactly?

“But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:33‬ ‭NASB‬‬

He is faithful to do what He said He would do.
He is faithful to do what exactly?

“But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:33‬ ‭NASB‬‬

He is faithful to do what He said He would do.
Yes, Matt10:33 confirms my verses
 
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I agree. But it seems rather obvious. If we are saved by grace through faith, then we can lose salvation by apostasy.
The question of whether certain sins lead to death if not confessed makes me wonder if a murderer who doesn't repent could be saved, because they would surely be grieving the Spirit. But I don't know, so I'm not going to claim to know what sin ( other than unbelief) is unforgivable. As far as I can tell, only final rejection of the Spirit is.

The Bible’s teaching that serious sin is separation from GOD:

[God said to Adam,]
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." (Genesis 2:17).

[Eve said to the serpent,]
"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Genesis 3:3).

And the serpent said unto the woman,
"Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4).

"...she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked..." (Genesis 3:6-7).

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned." (Romans 5:12).

"For the wages of sin is death..." (Romans 6:23).

"But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear." (Isaiah 59:2).

“...whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” (Matthew 5:22).

28 “But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.” (Matthew 5:28-30).

"But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul." (Proverbs 6:32).

“But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” (Matthew 6:15).

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

Important Note: If you were to look at 1 Thessalonians 4:3 you would learn that the will of God (i.e. the Father) is to be holy or it is our sanctification; And Hebrews 12:14 says, without holiness no man shall see the Lord.

“22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” (Matthew 7:22-23 ESV).

“26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.”
(Matthew 7:26-27).

“15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20).

"For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins." (Hebrews 10:26).

"he that commits sin is of the devil." (1 John 3:8).

"everyone who does evil hates the light." (John 3:20).

"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts of the Apostles 8:22).

6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth.
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:6-7).

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15).

"He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now." (1 John 2:9).

"In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother." (1 John 3:10).

41 "The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers,
42 and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear." (Matthew 13:41-43 ESV).

“For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.” (Matthew 12:37).

"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate." (Titus 1:16).

3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing,..." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

"...God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble."
(James 4:6).

21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." (Romans 11:21-22).

16 "There is a sin unto death..."
17 "...and there is a sin not unto death." (1 John 5:16-17).

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8).

19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21).

5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affe
ction, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7 In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them." (Colossians 3:5-7).

5 “...God;
6 ...will render to every man according to his deeds:
7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law” (Romans 2:5-12).

“But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.” (Ezekiel 18:24).

9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. “ (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

“Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.” (James 2:17).

"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 25:30).

“For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (Romans 8:13).
 
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for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfil his good purpose. Phil2:13

There are many more like this. I only know of one Christian experience, it is based on the foundation upon which the new covenant stands. And I can say in all honesty, it is God who has kept me with him, not the other way around
I agree, but continued reliance on God is still a condition. IMO, this is why relying on works is so dangerous. It can create false security. A person can do all kinds of good works and never visit the cross.
 
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The same lie by the devil is being pushed today. Yea, you shall not surely die. The serpent said this to Eve in trying to get Eve to break God's command with her thinking that she would not die. Yet, many think today they can break God's commands and not die. Seems like a repeat in history to me.
 
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I agree, but continued reliance on God is still a condition. IMO, this is why relying on works is so dangerous. It can create false security. A person can do all kinds of good works and never visit the cross.

A person cannot do works or enter the Sanctification Process without first being saved by God's grace through faith in Christ. Works come after being saved by God's grace, otherwise a person is putting the cart before the horse.
 
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Anyone who understands the following will never be lost:

he Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 ‘This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’

17 Then he adds:

‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.’
Heb10:15-17
 
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So you believe that if a believer denies Jesus before men, that they are not saved?
Well we could get into a debate as to whether a truly born again believer would deny Christ, so lets just say, if anyone denied Christ before men they cannot attain to heaven
 
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Here is the foundation upon which the new covenant stands. You do not understand its outworking in believers lives:
The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 ‘This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’

17 Then he adds:

‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.’
Heb10:15-17

You asked me what the foundation of the New Covenant stands upon.

You said:
"If you are an authority on the new covenant, tell me what it stands on, what is its foundation?"

I said Jesus, and I quoted Scripture correctly to prove this Biblical fact.

"For no one is able to lay another foundation, besides the one being already laid, which is Jesus Christ." (1 Corinthians 3:11).

The passage you quote is not in reference to the foundation of the New Covenant. Yes, it is an aspect of the New Covenant promise, but it is not a reference to the foundation as you stated.

Also, you do not believe that His laws are written in your heart as the passage you quote says because you believe Christians break the Moral Law and are saved while doing so. So there goes the whole law written in their hearts part of the verse that you quote.
 
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You asked me what the foundation of the New Covenant stands upon.

You said:
"If you are an authority on the new covenant, tell me what it stands on, what is its foundation?"

I said Jesus, and I quoted Scripture correctly to prove this Biblical fact.

"For no one is able to lay another foundation, besides the one being already laid, which is Jesus Christ." (1 Corinthians 3:11).

The passage you quote is not in reference to the foundation of the New Covenant.

Also, you do not believe that His laws are written in your heart as the passage you quote says because you believe Christians break the Moral Law and are saved while doing so. So there goes the whole law written in their hearts part of the verse that you quote.
The foundation upon which the christian faith/new covenant stands is as I wrote, testified to by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is within it, obviously. As you do not understand, a person can have the law in their heart yet still break it, it simply shows your lack of understanding concerning the fundamentals of the Christian faith
 
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Well we could get into a debate as to whether a truly born again believer would deny Christ, so lets just say, if anyone denied Christ before men they cannot attain to heaven

Then you are not consistent in your standard of Morality. You believe that I am not consistent in my Morality, and yet you believe the same way. You think certain standards of Morality must be upheld (to show one is saved, like do not rape, or do not commit child abuse, and do not deny Christ before men), and yet you believe other aspects of the Moral Law can be broken with a believer still being saved by their having a belief alone on Jesus.
 
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The foundation upon which the christian faith/new covenant stands is as I wrote, testified to by the Holy Spirit. Jesus is within it, obviously. As you do not understand, a person can have the law in their heart yet still break it, it simply shows your lack of understanding concerning the fundamentals of the Christian faith

I just corrected you, and your not seeing it. But believe whatever you wish. Jesus is the foundation. For no man can lay any other foundation but Jesus Christ.
 
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Anyone who understands the following will never be lost:

he Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 ‘This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.’

17 Then he adds:

‘Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.’
Heb10:15-17

Except for if they commit future rape, child abuse, and denying Christ before men. But this is not the case with other aspects of the Moral Law, right? We can break some of God's laws and be saved and yet not others? Is that not what you were trying to condemn me for?
 
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Then you are not consistent in your standard of Morality. You believe that I am not consistent in my Morality, and yet you believe the same way. You think certain standards of Morality must be upheld (to show one is saved, like do not rape, or do not commit child abuse, and do not deny Christ before men), and yet you believe other aspects of the Moral Law can be broken with a believer still being saved by their having a belief alone on Jesus.
I just corrected you, and your not seeing it. But believe whatever you wish. Jesus is the foundation. For no man can lay any other foundation but Jesus Christ.
Of course Jesus is in the foundation upon which the new covenant stands, but you cannot have a saviour from sin unless the law is firstly written in your heart and mind. One without the other equals no new covenant. Read which comes first!! You argue against what you do not understand
 
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Except for if they commit future rape, child abuse, and denying Christ before men. But this is not the case with other aspects of the Moral Law, right? We can break some of God's laws and be saved and yet not others? Is that not what you were trying to condemn me for?
I have addressed this previously. Time and again you say certain sin does not bar you from being a Christian. it appears you are berating me for agreeing with you in this instance
 
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Of course Jesus is in the foundation upon which the new covenant stands, but you cannot have a saviour from sin unless the law is firstly written in your heart and mind. One without the other equals no new covenant. Read which comes first!! You argue against what you do not understand

Ah, so now your changing your story. I was correct in my answer. Jesus is the foundation. You asked me what was the foundation of the New Covenant. Jesus is the foundation according to Scripture and you said I was incorrect before.
 
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