Will people go to Hell for worshipping on Sunday?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

I think there are some well known groups who attempt to always keep the commandments or at least say they are supposed to keep them,
but they reject Jesus (I don't know if they reject the prophets or not).

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if they reject the Messiah, then they’re not keeping this commandment:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19 ISR

I shall raise up for them a Prophet like you out of the midst of their brothers. And I shall put My Words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.

And it shall be, the man who does not listen to My Words which He speaks in My Name, I require it of him.

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I don’t think it’s possible to reject the Messiah, but accept the Prophets. The Prophets foretold the Messiah - how is it possible to accept them while rejecting the one they foretold? Do you catch my drift?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

One hundred thousand dollars was offered , perhaps for a hundred years, in the last century, to ANYONE who could answer that question from Scripture.

No one could.

No one collected.

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Hello, maybe because no one read their bible....please read Hebrews 4:6-11 gives you the other day...

Dkh587 said:

if they reject the Messiah, then they’re not keeping this commandment:

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I did not say they obeyed God nor kept any or all of His commandments.
They claim it is important to keep the commandments, and try to keep them, but always reject Jesus.

pasifika said:

Hello, maybe because no one read their bible..

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Out of the whole reading world, and all the people who wanted all that money, don't you think someone read the Bible ?

pasifika said:

Hello, Read Hebrews 4, there you find the answer..

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Would you print it out - your own translation that you use ?
It does not render on my screen.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

I did not say they obeyed God nor kept any or all of His commandments.
They claim it is important to keep the commandments, and try to keep them, but always reject Jesus.

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Well, if they’re rejecting the Messiah, then they’re not obeying the commandments...

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Out of the whole reading world, and all the people who wanted all that money, don't you think someone read the Bible ?

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Hello, you just said it...maybe they read it for other reasons...bible is not something you read to make money from it...but to transform our old life to a new life like Jesus...

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Would you print it out - your own translation that you use ?
It does not render on my screen.

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I use Niv....probably the same message with any other translation...

pasifika said:

I use Niv....probably the same message with any other translation...

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Any translation is fine then - would you print it out - it does not render on my screen (or on some people's phone screens either, who are reading from a phone and not a computer)

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Jesus observed the Sabbath according to the TORAH.
He directed all His disciples to also, and said this would never change, even to the ends of the earth (and heaven?) ....

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that skirts the issue. we are still just as guilty observing the Sabbath according to the law or not. You also know the arguments, Jesus said he did not come to destroy the law and the prophets and that it would remain, this is true. He also said he came to fulfill the law and the prophets. Circumcision was made as an everlasting convent (also is part of the same law Jesus spoke of) so what part of "everlasting" means "you don't have to do it anymore" (paraphrasing Paul of course). This of course completely misses the point as physical circumcision was actually not the focus. So when I hear the same arguments being used for the Sabbath I see the same thing going on that observing a physical day of rest misses the point and that's not really what God had in mind.

True believers worship on the Lords day;

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

DamianWarS said:

that skirts the issue. we are still just as guilty observing the Sabbath according to the law or not.

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So?
We are (or were) guilty no matter what we did because of sin in us.

When we are new creations, forgiven, we can honor TORAH with no sin, same as Jesus and the permanent disciples did.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Any translation is fine then - would you print it out - it does not render on my screen (or on some people's phone screens either, who are reading from a phone and not a computer)

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Hello,....Hebrews 4:3-10...Now we who believed enter that rest, just as God has said,
" So, I declared on oath in my anger , They shall never enter My Rest."

And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world. For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words; " On the seventh day God rested from all his works.. And again in the passage above he says. "They shall never enter my rest."

Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest, and since those who formerly had the good news proclaimed to them did not go in because of their disobedience, God again set a certain day calling it "Today"...

Verse 8.. For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about Another Day...

ICONO'CLAST said:

True believers worship on the Lords day;

9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

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“the Lord’s day” is referencing the Day of the Lord mentioned spoken of by the Prophets. It’s just a different way of saying The same thing. “The Lord’s day” is not Sunday. It’s a time of judgement and wrath.

Dkh587 said:

“the Lord’s day” is referencing the Day of the Lord mentioned spoken of by the Prophets. It’s just a different way of saying The same thing. “The Lord’s day” is not Sunday. It’s a time of judgement and wrath.

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You are wrong my friend. There were many day of the lord judgments in the OT.
You are suggesting John was praying on the "Day of the Lord"?....sorry, not even close.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

So?
We are (or were) guilty no matter what we did because of sin in us.

When we are new creations, forgiven, we can honor TORAH with no sin, same as Jesus and the permanent disciples did.

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we may, and doing so is a good thing so long as we give glory to God. we may also not obverse the sabbath according to the law and still give glory to God (and doing so it a good thing). Jesus and the disciples were circumcised, but not arbitrarily, they were circumcised to honour the TORAH yet we not under compulsion to do so. So simply mirroring this focus is not the point and it would be strawman to argue this. How are these reconcilable from old to new? They're reconcilable because the TORAH points to something greater and although honouring the TORAH can be called good it is our identity in Christ that is the key, not the TORAH. The TORAH is meaningless without Christ.

ICONO'CLAST said:

You are wrong my friend. There were many day of the lord judgments in the OT.
You are suggesting John was praying on the "Day of the Lord"?....sorry, not even close.

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Hello, the Book of Revelation is about the "Lord's day, or the day of the Lord"..is the day of His coming...

ICONO'CLAST said:

You are wrong my friend. There were many day of the lord judgments in the OT.
You are suggesting John was praying on the "Day of the Lord"?....sorry, not even close.

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Where does Revelation 1 say John was praying?

Also, where can we find mention of “the Lord’s day” mentioned prior to Revelation 1:10?

DamianWarS said:

we may, and doing so is a good thing so long as we give glory to God. we may also not obverse the sabbath according to the law and still give glory to God (and doing so it a good thing). Jesus and the disciples were circumcised, but not arbitrarily, they were circumcised to honour the TORAH yet we not under compulsion to do so. So simply mirroring this focus is not the point and it would be strawman to argue this. How are these reconcilable from old to new? They're reconcilable because the TORAH points to something greater and although honouring the TORAH can be called good it is our identity in Christ that is the key, not the TORAH. The TORAH is meaningless without Christ.

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It seems the point just slipped by.
jesus kept Shabbat without sinning.
His Ekklesia, Apostles, permanent disciples kept Shabbat without sinning.
The faithful men (and women and children) in the OT and in the NT kept Shabbat without sinning.

THe sin, when there was sin, was in thinking that keeping the commandments was a way to become righteous, to be saved.

When someone simply and faithfully trusted Jesus, lived trusting and obeying the Father, and followed Jesus, ever,
then there is no sin in keeping Shabbat. They did not and do not get saved nor obtain righteousness by keeping the Law(Torah).
Their righteousness is by faith in Jesus, as written. Jesus righteous robes are put upon them, pure white.
By faith in Him, trusting Jesus and relying on Him.

Dkh587 said:

Not keeping the Sabbath holy is actually a sin worthy of death - it’s in the league of adultery, homosexuality, and murder.

If adulterers, homosexuals and murders aren’t getting into the kingdom of God, how are people getting in who don’t keep the Sabbath holy?

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Same way as any sinner. By being born again. Which of the 613 commandments have you broken today? Oh sorry, you are disqualified.