A self proclaimed "Saved Calvinist" commits murder in the morning...

Carl Emerson said:

What's going on.. first its "Calvinists" now it's Catholics...

I don't buy into prejudice.

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St_Worm2 said:

Hello again S.ilvio, assuming that you were a Christian Tiber crosser (as many/most RC's here at CF seem to be), then you surely remember that Protestants teach (along with the Bible) that we are justified (declared just and saved by God graciously*) from the moment that we come to saving faith & believe .. e.g. John 5:24.

We also teach (again, along with the Bible) that the very One who justified/saved us in the first place, also promises to continually sanctify us and see us safely through this life to be with Him in Glory (IOW, He promises to make us more and more like His Son until the day we die, or until the day His Son returns, whichever comes first, as well preserve us in the faith .. e.g./cf John 6:37-40, 10:27-28, 17:17; Philippians 1:6; 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24; Hebrews 7:25; 1 John 5:13; Jude 24-25).

We are justified by God, and He is sanctifying us .. but .. we will not be fully perfected and glorified on this side of the grave (unless He returns before we die), so the old man/old self/old nature is suppressed and pushed into the background of our lives, but it always remains ready to rear its ugly head (in response to the enticements that it loves so much, the world, the flesh and the devil).

Therefore, those of us who have been changed by God (and have become Christians as a result), who were given a new heart and a new spirit, AS WELL the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit .. e.g. Ezekiel 36:26-27, who have been quickened/regenerated/made alive and caused to be born again .. e.g. John 3:3; Ephesians 2:4-5, who have been made wholly new creatures in Christ as His workmanship (masterpiece), for/unto good works (~NOT~ because of them) .. Romans 3:28; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:5, are commanded to put on the new self/new man in accordance with our new nature, and to put off the old man/old self daily/moment by moment .. e.g. Ephesians 4:22-24.

I hope that answers your question! If not, just let me know.

--David

*We are saved "graciously", IOW, by God's UN-merited favor, well, unmerited by us anyway In reality, our salvation is merited for us by the One who lived a perfectly righteous life before His Father on our behalf (the life that we were supposed to live before Him) and who died on the Cross in our places to atone for our sins, to reconcile us to His Father, and to satisfy His wrath against us in the age to come .. Romans 5:8-10. Therefore Jesus is our 'only' innocence, our 'only' righteousness, and the 'only' atonement and satisfaction for our sins.

He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf,
so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
2 Corinthians 5:21
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Carl Emerson said:

This is a nonsense question - with Him inside this aint going to happen.

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St_Worm2 said:

That is correct, according to both Calvinism and (of course) the Bible, concerning all who have truly been, born again (because God makes certain that all of His children are preserved/persevere in the faith to the end .. e.g. 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24; Jude 24-25).

Chapter XVII. Of the Perseverance of the Saints

Section I.–They whom God hath accepted in his Beloved, effectually called and sanctified by his Spirit, can neither totally nor finally fall away from the state of grace; but shall certainly persevere therein to the end, and be eternally saved.

Section II.–This perseverance of the saints depends, not upon their own freewill, but upon the immutability of the decree of election, flowing from the free and unchangeable love of God the Father; upon the efficacy of the merit and intercession of Jesus Christ; the abiding of the Spirit and of the seed of God within them; and the nature of the covenant of grace; from all which ariseth also the certainty and infallibility thereof.

Section III.–Nevertheless they may, through the temptations of Satan and of the world, the prevalence of corruption remaining in them, and the neglect of the means of their perseverance, fall into grievous sins; and for a time continue therein: whereby they incur God's displeasure, and grieve his Holy Spirit; come to be deprived of some measure of their graces and comforts; have their hearts hardened, and their consciences wounded; hurt and scandalise others, and bring temporal judgments upon themselves.

~Westminster Confession of Faith

John 5
24 He who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:37-40 (excerpt)
All that the Father gives Me will come to Me and .. of all that He has given Me, I LOSE NOTHING, but raise it up on the last day.

John 10
27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me;
28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand.

Hebrews 7
25 He is able to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.​

--David
p.s. - those of us who have come to saving faith in Jesus are justified by God and saved from the moment that we first believe, such that we pass from death to life in that moment and will no longer face God's wrath and condemnation in the Judgment .. see John 5:24. Also, God clearly wants those of us to whom He has given "eternal life" to both know and have the assurance that we are His forevermore, not to wonder and worry in fear about it until the day we die. As the elder Apostle wrote to us below:

1 John 5
11 The testimony is this, that God has given us eternal* life, and this life is in His Son.
12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.


*(the word αἰώνιος [aionios] "eternal" ~always~ means just that, eternal, everlasting, without beginning or end, forevermore, etc., it ~NEVER~ means temporal or probationary .. life).
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Carl Emerson said:

The cross is a timeless event anchored in chronology.

The cross in that respect is happening now...

His blood then covers sin past present and future.

He declares us NOT GUILTY. That is for all time.

How is it arrogant to believe what He declares?

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Hammster said:

He believes that our brothers and sisters are all who are saved.

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Hammster said:

He believes that saved people are saved. Same here. I’m not sure why you are complicating this.

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Hammster said:

Only the saved ones. Just like practicing Baptists, Pentecostals, Lutherans, Presbyterians, etc.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

Some religion says that, I'm sure you are aware, even on this forum,
but no, that's not true.

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