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A self proclaimed "Saved Calvinist" commits murder in the morning...

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by S.ilvio, Nov 19, 2019.

  1. S.ilvio

    S.ilvio Newbie

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    He remains unrepentant until Judgement Day. Is Salvation guaranteed for him..?
     
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  2. Carl Emerson

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    What you postulate is a contradiction in terms...

    What are you trying to prove?
     
  3. Aussie Pete

    Aussie Pete Well-Known Member Supporter

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    God does not recognise "ists" or "isms". There is only one judgement. Are you born again? Self proclamation is invalid. The demons believe but they tremble. Anyone who can commit murder and remain unrepentant is almost certainly not born again. There is no "go to confession, tell a priest, say a few 'hail Mary's' and go back to a sinful lifestyle" in God's ways. King David was an adulterous murderer and God forgave him. But David was genuinely convicted of his sin and repented.
     
  4. S.ilvio

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    The question is crystal clear...
     
  5. S.ilvio

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    So repentance is required..?
     
  6. Aussie Pete

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    Yes. Do you understand what repentance is?
     
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  7. S.ilvio

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    So Salvation is lost if repentance is missing..?
     
  8. Aussie Pete

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    You cannot lose salvation in the sense of being born again. Being born again requires the individual to accept that his way of life is rejected by God and turn to Him instead. It is a change of mind. God will give us a new heart, if we accept Christ. Unfortunately, many people have no idea what repentance is and what it means to accept Christ. Too many are given a shallow "just invite Jesus into your heart" message. If there is no conviction of sin and no repentance, there can be no true salvation.
     
  9. S.ilvio

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    Are you saying a Born Again man cannot sin..?
     
  10. Carl Emerson

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    Being truly born again includes having His presence indwelling. This includes the Spirit of the Fear of the Lord which seals us against sinning to the point of losing salvation.
     
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  11. Albion

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    Of course not. What the person assumes about his standing with God doesn't determine the facts of the matter.
     
  12. redleghunter

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    So you are keeping Dr. White out of picture this time.
     
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  13. S.ilvio

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    If it helps you answer the question you can imagine we're talking about Dr. White...
     
  14. S.ilvio

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    Agreed...
     
  15. redleghunter

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    How do you know this imaginary Calvinist did not repent?
     
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  16. S.ilvio

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    Theoretically.

    What happens if there is no repentance In your view..?
     
  17. redleghunter

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    He was never a Christian. Your OP describes a reprobate heart.
     
  18. redleghunter

    redleghunter Thank You Jesus! Supporter

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    They are trying to “prove” God’s elect can lose an election. So have to make a hypothetical.
     
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  19. Hammster

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    You are assuming he’s saved. The lack of repentance shows that he’s not.
     
  20. S.ilvio

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    So unrepentant murder = he was never saved from the start.

    Repentant murder = he was always saved.

    We have a saying in Ireland about people wanting their cake and eating it. It rings so true here.

    But at least there is acceptance that the work of repentance is required...
     
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