Self-exploiting "Spirituality"

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Above I mentioned the alternatives to linking happiness with present conditions which is currently the prevailing trend. If you want to put your hat in the ring then you can reach out to Jeffrey Sachs, director of the UN network behind the World Happiness Report. The WHP uses the Cantil ladder which like it’s predecessors (ex: SWLS) measures happiness primarily on the way things are today.

I don't see how the Cantril Scale directly relates to satisfaction with the way things are in anything resembling a political sense. A person can be content with their life while still thinking that the world at large needs significant improvement.
 
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I don't see how the Cantril Scale directly relates to satisfaction with the way things are in anything resembling a political sense. A person can be content with their life while still thinking that the world at large needs significant improvement.

That’s fine, I don’t think anyone is arguing that point. The Cantil ladder spans both ends of the happiness spectrum from personal up to state level.
 
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I don't see how the Cantril Scale directly relates to satisfaction with the way things are in anything resembling a political sense.

Politics is a powerful poison. It's like adding battery acid to someone's happy and content iced tea.
 
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This might also be the key to understanding why our species is so spectacularly bad at reacting to the threats of global warming, pollution and mass extinction. At first glance, it is mystifying how homo sapiens seemingly devolves to the intelligence level of yeast in the face of these global problems, consuming and multiplying until we collapse in upon ourselves and drown in our waste products. After all, we understand nuclear physics, and in this case, specialists are also well-aware of the causes and can pinpoint with great accuracy what we need to do in order to combat the imminent cataclysm.

I believe Washington Post recently had an article on this subject, in fact.

Nuclear physics is not indicative of emotional intelligence, unfortunately. It's taken thousands of years to reach a point where we have, at best, a small percentage of the population that is capable of really being "woke", the rest are more or less psychologically damaged people who embed themselves in various kinds of mythologies and isms, basically only seeking short term comforts in an egocentric manner.
 
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It's taken thousands of years to reach a point where we have, at best, a small percentage of the population that is capable of really being "woke", the rest are more or less psychologically damaged people who embed themselves in various kinds of mythologies and isms, basically only seeking short term comforts in an egocentric manner.

meh. the idea of being 'woke' is a myth in itself in my experience. but it's popular for those coming out of 'mythologies and isms'. when i first left the faith many years ago, i called being 'woke' gaining 'gnosis'. that is the true 'egocentric' act, however one is so caught up in their 'wokeness' or new found 'gnosis' that they don't see it.

it's a fun journey, and i think for many (including myself) it's a necessary spiritual adventure, but eventually you realize the 'rabbit hole' is just a different route in the same realm.

i feel more 'woke' now that I have left the faith, journeyed outside of it for a long time and now have somewhat returned, even though i am mostly agnostic. and if i remember right you recently left the faith so i wish you well on your journey wherever it leads! And by that i don't assume your journey will bring you back to Christianity, that wasn't my point. But as I 'woke up' from my 'wokeness' i realized the disdain I had for the faith was mostly me.
 
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meh. the idea of being 'woke' is a myth in itself in my experience. but it's popular for those coming out of 'mythologies and isms'. when i first left the faith many years ago, i called being 'woke' gaining 'gnosis'. that is the true 'egocentric' act, however one is so caught up in their 'wokeness' or new found 'gnosis' that they don't see it.

it's a fun journey, and i think for many (including myself) it's a necessary spiritual adventure, but eventually you realize the 'rabbit hole' is just a different route in the same realm.

i feel more 'woke' now that I have left the faith, journeyed outside of it for a long time and now have somewhat returned, even though i am mostly agnostic. and if i remember right you recently left the faith so i wish you well on your journey wherever it leads! And by that i don't assume your journey will bring you back to Christianity, that wasn't my point. But as I 'woke up' from my 'wokeness' i realized the disdain I had for the faith was mostly me.

I wasn't necessarily referring to any particular religious belief. I was referring to how people tend to over-invest themselves in beliefs and stories in general. A person can be a church member and recognize the limitations of those beliefs. But many cannot.

My reasons for leaving the faith are simple- it no longer serves me and it is far too personally compromising. That's not a judgment on people that go to church, necessarily. Each person has to look at their own situation and determine for themselves what is best. For me, distancing myself from Christianity is what I have to do to stay sane in an insane world.
 
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