Noah's Ark Part 2: Marsupial Edition

Tolworth John said:

The thread is how did they get there. answer they walked as population preasure pushed each generation further away from the ark.

35million years prove it.

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My understanding is that Noah’s Flood happened about 4000 years ago. Other than that , that is how population pressures cause speciation by pushing an existing population into new environments . The Ensatina salamanders on the West Coast speciated like that and so did Atlantic gulls in Europe and in north America

Emmylouwho said:

Marsupials live in Australasia and the Americas. They don't exist in the Middle East. Did some descendant of Noah collect all the marsupials, build a SECOND ark, and sail to Australia? Was there yet another marsupial-centric ark that travelled to the Americas?

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One male and female pair came off the Ark. Where ever they went, they made a family, and the family became bigger, but they stuck together. They ended up as families of kangaroos on the section of the one continent that was broken up when the languages were confounded. They stuck together as their own kind, and the land which they ended up on was cut off from the main land mass, which was in the days of the time of the fall of the tower of Bab -El, when God confounded the one mother tongue into the 70.
He also cut off the years of the Adam kind =made them short, and divided the one land mass into the many.
That did not happen overnight, but as the tribes of Adam’s descendants scattered away from one another because of their confounded tongues, the land mass was also divided up by God.

In Genesis 1, when God said, “Let the waters be gathered together into one place, and let the “Dry” appear”, there was one land mass, and one body of waters gathered together.
So the family/descendants of the kangaroo pair that came off the ark stuck together, and they ended up, when the tower fell and catastrophic changes were made to the earth, on the land mass which they are found on in these times; but there were some in other places, I have read; and also, some are in North eastern USA, as has been reported for years....not in great amounts, but they have been seen at times, over many, many years.

yeshuasavedme said:

One male and female pair came off the Ark. Where they went, they made a family. They ended up, as a family/tribe of kangaroos, on the section of the one continent that was broken up when the languages were confounded. They stuck together as their own kind, and the land they ended up on was cut off from the main land mass, which was
In the days of time of the fall of the tower of Bab -El, when God confounded the one mother tongue into the 70, he also cut off the years of the Adam kind, made them short, and divided the one land mass into the many.
That did not happen overnight, but as the tribes of Adam’s descendants scattered away from one another because of their confounded tongues, the land mass was also divided up by God, and the days of men’s lives were cut short.
In Genesis 1, when God said, “Let the waters be gathered together into one place, and let the “Dry” appear”, there was one land mass, and one body of waters gathered together.
So the family/descendants of the kangaroo pair that came off the ark stuck together, and they ended up, when the tower fell and catastrophic changes were made to the earth, on the land mass which they are found on in these times; but there were some in other places, I have read; and also, some are in North eastern USA, as has been reported for years....not in great amounts, but they have been seen at times, over many, many years.

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You may have noticed that tiny movements of the tectonic plates can produce devastating earthquakes and tsunamis and volcanic eruptions. If the continents had separated and moved hundreds and even thousands of miles within historic times (since 4300 years ago) the entire planet would have been devastated. It is as simple as that. I don't buy it.

JackRT said:

You may have noticed that tiny movements of the tectonic plates can produce devastating earthquakes and tsunamis and volcanic eruptions. If the continents had separated and moved hundreds and even thousands of miles within historic times (since 4300 years ago) the entire planet would have been devastated. It is as simple as that. I don't buy it.

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The mountains rose up and the valleys sank down.
God did indeed separate the tribes of Noah’s descendants by:
1. tongues confounded so that they could not understand one another.
2. Dividing up the one land mass into what we now have.

The creation was supernatural.
The flood was supernatural.
The fall of the tower of Bab -El was supernatural.
The extreme “cutting short” -means literally “cutting off” the years of the lives of the Adam kind after the fall of the tower was supernatural.
The dividing up of the one land mass after the fall of the tower of Bab-El was supernatural.

God did it. He said he did it.
He also said why He did it.

Robin Mauro said:

It may have been one land mass back then.

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It was. And the Word states it is so, and when He divided it, and why.

Emmylouwho said:

I am a seeker. I believe in the Holy Spirit, absolutely, yes, ma’am.

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That is not the same as believing in Jesus as your savior...more duplicity Em.

Emmylouwho said:

Are there kangaroo fossils in Eurasia? Is there any evidence of kangaroos existing outside of Australia?

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You must not have read my posts.
One does not go seeking fossils for the answers you claim to seek.
Certainly you will never get informed by the approach you are taking, which is devoid of a beginning revelation of Jesus Christ, to you, personally.
After one has that revelation, He satisfies the heart that want's wisdom and understanding by opening His Word to them, and giving them all the proofs that blind eyes formerly could not see, about His wonderful creation.
Kangaroos are sighted living all around the world. They have been, for centuries.

yeshuasavedme said:

You must not have read my posts.
One does not go seeking fossils for the answers you claim to seek.
Certainly you will never get informed by the approach you are taking, which is devoid of a beginning revelation of Jesus Christ, to you, personally.
After one has that revelation, He satisfies the heart that want's wisdom and understanding by opening His Word to them, and giving them all the proofs that blind eyes formerly could not see, about His wonderful creation.
Kangaroos are sighted living all around the world. They have been, for centuries.

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While they may be sighted outside Australia that does not mean they are native to that area. Most likely an escapee from a zoo or a private owner.

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JackRT said:

While they may be sighted outside Australia that does not mean they are native to that area. Most likely an escapee from a zoo or a private owner.

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There is no evidence of escaped kangaroos in the many, many, many sightings in many, many, many US states in the past 2 centuries in which there are records of sightings, nor such records in the many sightings in many other countries around the world.

yeshuasavedme said:

You must not have read my posts.
One does not go seeking fossils for the answers you claim to seek.
Certainly you will never get informed by the approach you are taking, which is devoid of a beginning revelation of Jesus Christ, to you, personally.
After one has that revelation, He satisfies the heart that want's wisdom and understanding by opening His Word to them, and giving them all the proofs that blind eyes formerly could not see, about His wonderful creation.
Kangaroos are sighted living all around the world. They have been, for centuries.

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you do realize that some people have exotic pets and they escape sometimes . The only marsupial that lives in a North America is the opossum and that crossed the land-bridge of Central America up from South America .. Marsupials flourished in Australia because there were no placentals to compete with them . Ignorance of the fossil record if you don’t know anything about it is one thing but deliberately being obtuse is simply stupid .

yeshuasavedme said:

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There is no evidence of escaped kangaroos in the many, many, many sightings in many, many, many US states in the past 2 centuries in which there are records of sightings, nor such records in the many sightings in many other countries around the world.

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That’s The New York Daily News. Kangaroos do escape and so do other exotic pets . It took me less than a second to find the news article.

Brightmoon said:

you do realize that some people have exotic pets and they escape sometimes . The only marsupial that lives in a North America is the opossum and that crossed the land-bridge of Central America up from South America .. Marsupials flourished in Australia because there were no placentals to compete with them . Ignorance of the fossil record if you don’t know anything about it is one thing but deliberately being obtuse is simply stupid .

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I do not consider myself stupid, thank you.
Nor am I obtuse, thank you.
You do not speak from actual research on the matter, and you certainly do not speak on God’s Word, which is what this forum is actually about. Theology -God’s WORD/LOGOS.
Actual records of kangaroo sightings in North America go back to the late 1800’s. I doubt that was the first, but that was the first record of note.
So it is all over the world, also.

Brightmoon said:

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That’s The New York Daily News. Kangaroos do escape and so do other exotic pets . It took me less than a second to find the news article.

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So? That is not what the sightings I referred to were about. Your article was not in that category, but about a real escaped one that was found.
Particularly, on the many, there were no records of “escaped” kangaroos, so to claim it was so in all those cases in the last two centuries, plus this one, is certainly not applying research and diligence to the matter....

Since creationists refuse to read and don’t want to understand basic science I don’t bother. TheONLY native marsupial to north America is an opossum . Any thing else is a recent escapee. Recent meaning since Europeans found the Americas.

yeshuasavedme said:

I do not consider myself stupid, thank you.
Nor am I obtuse, thank you.
You do not speak from actual research on the matter, and you certainly do not speak on God’s Word, which is what this forum is actually about. Theology -God’s WORD/LOGOS.
Actual records of kangaroo sightings in North America go back to the late 1800’s. I doubt that was the first, but that was the first record of note.
So it is all over the world, also.

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Actually since biology was my major in college and I’ve taken geology classes and been interested in geology since I was a kid , it is my level of expertise. Which is why I know that you DONT know

Brightmoon said:

Actually since biology was my major in college and I’ve taken geology classes and been interested in geology since I was a kid , it is my level of expertise. Which is why I know that you DONT know

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Well, since the courses you took were not taken with the true history of this creation as fact, and since they looked to disprove the Word of God on purpose and to hide all the evidence that supports the Word of God on creation, I do not believe you have any degrees that will help you understand Truth of the Creation that is out there for those who have a heart to know.
The teachers who you took your courses under had no love of truth, and only regurgitated what they were told to regurgitate to keep the Truth of Creation from being believed, and to discredit the Word of God.
True geology supports the Biblical history of creation and the flood.
True biology supports special creation.
And also, true history shows that the American continents were known about and nations in the western continents were traded with by all sea faring nations and were settled from ancient times.
You might look into that. It’s true history that is easy to find out about in this Information Age.

The fantasy world of creationists does not exist . Science facts are like dominoes. Push here and you get consequences. Any version of a global flood would cause the planet’s surface temperature to become high enough to melt lead . Fast moving tectonic plates is also equally impossible as a land mass like India moving from the side of Africa to Asia in a few months, would cause major damage to the planet including changing the length of the day . The bolide that wiped out the non avian dinosaurs wasn’t even 1/10 that size .
You’ll have to google the page that’s a photo

Even in the 1700s they realized that the story of the global Flood wasn’t a history . Which they only confirmed during the 19th century by deliberately looking for evidence of it . This is when the science of geology really took off .