I can’t take God and faith seriously

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when I was young I grew up in church and had very strong faith however I always had fear that I wasn’t saved.
When I was about 15 I got doubts and I stopped going to church as my faith in God deteriorated.
I am now 20 years old and have been back to my old church 4 times in the last month. But I do not feel anything anymore and I can’t take what the pastors and songs seriously anymore. I think I do believe God is there as I am slightly fearful I am not right with Him but I just don’t feel any connection with Christianity anymore and can’t get it back. When in church I just look around at everyone signing and crying and just think it is crazy and a bit weird instead of thinking it is beautiful and stuff like believers would think.
When I listen to testimonies I may think that they are really interesting but then they say things like “if you want to know Jesus raise your hand” and stuff like that. How can anyone be saved after just hearing a message when they know nothing about Jesus or anything in the bible. How can people be saved when they don’t even know what they are actually doing.
In the same way someone could say another person did great things in the past, “who wants this person in their lives now?”.
I just don’t get it at all anymore. I feel really awkward in church now as I am not saved and I can’t really take anymore me seriously. There are some really nice and funny people in the church and I wish I could be more like them as I have many problems right now in my life and am not happy at all.
I have no faith and belief anymore. I wish I could but I just can’t.

I don't think the fairy tales of religions have any place in the 21st century. Too bad, they're still very strong and are deceiving people as strongly as ever. I'm glad to hear your eyes got opened to the truth that all of it is just a bunch of nonsense... The truth is so much different and greater than all human religions together million times over. Humanity must grow out of religion

There are many who disagree with you!

John
 
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Andrew, if you want to learn about Jesus you can read about Him in the Gospel of John. That is where I found the truth about Him after I grew up going to church and being confused about what Christianity was all about. I am listing a link to my testimony if you are interested in how I became a true believer after many years of unbelief.

John

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No I don’t think that much. Don’t get how you can just one day say you believe or putting your faith in a person written about 2000 yrs ago

Andrew, if you really want to know the truth about Jesus, then God has a promise for you in His word. Jeremiah 29:13 “And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. ” That says that if you earnestly search after God you will find Him.
The Gospel of John is a good place to begin your search. That is where I found Him many years ago, and today I still have the same peace and assurance that I found that day. And, yes, it was a one day event where God "turned on the light" for me and "I got it." He will do the same for you if you will claim His promise.

John
 
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Andrew, if you really want to know the truth about Jesus, then God has a promise for you in His word. Jeremiah 29:13 “And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. ” That says that if you earnestly search after God you will find Him.
The Gospel of John is a good place to begin your search. That is where I found Him many years ago, and today I still have the same peace and assurance that I found that day. And, yes, it was a one day event where God "turned on the light" for me and "I got it." He will do the same for you if you will claim His promise.

John
Thanks for your message. What about book of mark?
 
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when I was young I grew up in church and had very strong faith however I always had fear that I wasn’t saved.
When I was about 15 I got doubts and I stopped going to church as my faith in God deteriorated.
I am now 20 years old and have been back to my old church 4 times in the last month. But I do not feel anything anymore and I can’t take what the pastors and songs seriously anymore. I think I do believe God is there as I am slightly fearful I am not right with Him but I just don’t feel any connection with Christianity anymore and can’t get it back. When in church I just look around at everyone signing and crying and just think it is crazy and a bit weird instead of thinking it is beautiful and stuff like believers would think.
When I listen to testimonies I may think that they are really interesting but then they say things like “if you want to know Jesus raise your hand” and stuff like that. How can anyone be saved after just hearing a message when they know nothing about Jesus or anything in the bible. How can people be saved when they don’t even know what they are actually doing.
In the same way someone could say another person did great things in the past, “who wants this person in their lives now?”.
I just don’t get it at all anymore. I feel really awkward in church now as I am not saved and I can’t really take anymore me seriously. There are some really nice and funny people in the church and I wish I could be more like them as I have many problems right now in my life and am not happy at all.
I have no faith and belief anymore. I wish I could but I just can’t.
Maybe you are a methodist going to a baptist church. or a catholic going to pentecostal church. Some part of you wants to connect but there is no way for you to connect in that given venue.
 
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Sir which teachings of Christianity incites violence. I do not speak of other religions that can. No it teaches the opposite to rather suffer wrong and not retaliate.

The only reason atheism exists is because the Christian faith allowed people to believe in what they wanted as a biblical principal. Now secular atheists force their beliefs in secular education systems.

If we speak about religion and wars, I think we need to understand that there are laws of unintended consequence, yes?

For example, when a Christian US President, George W Bush invaded Iraq, a largely Muslim country, he created a vacuum of power in the region, which was filled by Islamist terrorists and resulted in much of the Muslim-on-Muslim violence in that region. So, who is responsible for the murders happening there since 2003? Muslims who are killing other Muslims or the American Christians who created the situation, even if meaning well?

Going back in history even farther, we find that that the 2nd World War was instigated mainly by the German Nazi's, who were mostly Christians. Even if Hitler was not a Christian, most of the people in the Nazi German Army were Christian. Also 1st World War, which was probably the bloodiest war in modern human existence, was fought mainly by Christian people.

Lastly, I think violence is justified by all religions by various means. For one example, see the link below

A Brief Examination of "Biblical" Justifications for War
 
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For example, when a Christian US President, George W Bush invaded Iraq, a largely Muslim country, he created a vacuum of power in the region, which was filled by Islamist terrorists and resulted in much of the Muslim-on-Muslim violence in that region.

So, YOU are an authority over who is a "Christian" and who is not? Labels are nothing more than just that....labels. Manipulating the conversation by throwing in what you cannot prove one way or another is nothing short of poisoning the well.

Additionally, the muslims have been going at each other for centuries, and only those who live under really large rocks would be ignorant of that fact. Bush, like any others president, made mistakes in judgement and methodology. They're human, and therefore prone to mistakes like any of the rest of us, including you in how you assess what they did and how they did it.

So, who is responsible for the murders happening there since 2003? Muslims who are killing other Muslims or the American Christians who created the situation, even if meaning well?

You really enjoy trying to add weight to your questions with falsehoods. Murderers are responsible for the murders they perpetrate against others. Trying to place the blame on one man is pure nonsense. Obama never claimed responsibility for his guilt, according to your own logic, for the many people who died with his policy of "leading from behind". Realistically, I don't blame Obama for anything more than his own bad decisions, but never for people over there murdering one another, which has been going on since long before we ever sent the first troop onto that soil.

Yes, all those decisions can and do lead to impacts, but let's put the blame squarely upon the perpetrators themselves first and foremost before going off into irrational, knee-jerk blame games.

Going back in history even farther, we find that that the 2nd World War was instigated mainly by the German Nazi's, who were mostly Christians.

What is a "Christian"? How do YOU define a "Christian"? Let's nail that down first so that we all can understand just how broad a definition you possess in your own subjective mind as to what one is, shall we.

Even if Hitler was not a Christian, most of the people in the Nazi German Army were Christian. Also 1st World War, which was probably the bloodiest war in modern human existence, was fought mainly by Christian people.

Some of them were members of the Vatican religion. How you automatically translate that as being "Christian," I have yet to see and understand.

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Additionally, the muslims have been going at each other for centuries, and only those who live under really large rocks would be ignorant of that fact.

And you are able to define and know who a true Muslim is?

I am just going by their self proclaimed monikers. George W admitted to being a Christian and said that Jesus Christ was the greatest philosopher of all time during one of his debates.

And he was the one who caused chaos in Iraq. You can't blame the Iraqi people for the chaos, can you? The US, including a Christian President and many of the Christian troops, left that country without a functioning government.

Just look at what happens in the US, arguably the county where law and order is given a top priority. What happens during the Ferguson-like riots? And this is with the police nearby. What would happen if the police and the National Guard were made illegitimate?
 
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And you are able to define and know who a true Muslim is?

Now you're getting it, because what you said is akin to claiming that the potholes in our roads are "Christian" potholes because some in the crews who laid those roadways were "Christians."

I am just going by their self proclaimed monikers. George W admitted to being a Christian and said that Jesus Christ was the greatest philosopher of all time during one of his debates.

This still fails to answer the question posed to you.

And he was the one who caused chaos in Iraq. You can't blame the Iraqi people for the chaos, can you? The US, including a Christian President and many of the Christian troops, left that country without a functioning government.

What we can blame is bad, political decisions. Can you show me where Bush ever claimed to be basing his decision on the Bible or anything said therein?

Just look at what happens in the US, arguably the county where law and order is given a top priority. What happens during the Ferguson-like riots? And this is with the police nearby. What would happen if the police and the National Guard were made illegitimate?

They already are illegitimate when led by liberal, leftist politicians who order them to stand down and let all those fine, "Christian" blacks loot and burn down businesses owned by fellow blacks.

Politics, when not governed by objective moral standards will always perpetrate injustices. To go one step further, even had they been governed by objectively moral standards, there will always bee people out there who will whine and cry about it all being unjust. Pleasing all people all the time is simply not possible. Not even God Himself could do that. It's impossible given the freedom of thought, action and reaction. Humanity is always self-destructive. Always has been, and always will be on this earth.

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If we speak about religion and wars, I think we need to understand that there are laws of unintended consequence, yes?

For example, when a Christian US President, George W Bush invaded Iraq, a largely Muslim country, he created a vacuum of power in the region, which was filled by Islamist terrorists and resulted in much of the Muslim-on-Muslim violence in that region. So, who is responsible for the murders happening there since 2003? Muslims who are killing other Muslims or the American Christians who created the situation, even if meaning well?

Going back in history even farther, we find that that the 2nd World War was instigated mainly by the German Nazi's, who were mostly Christians. Even if Hitler was not a Christian, most of the people in the Nazi German Army were Christian. Also 1st World War, which was probably the bloodiest war in modern human existence, was fought mainly by Christian people.

Lastly, I think violence is justified by all religions by various means. For one example, see the link below

A Brief Examination of "Biblical" Justifications for War

Firstly to mention a few persons to paint Christianity bad as a whole is completely unfair typically political leaders where in general poor decisions are made, but to comment on what President Bush did, your current president who is a Christian disproves of what Bush did and mentioned the same things you said.

To comment on Adolf Hitler. Only the Roman catholic church, with a history of abuse and tyranny and rejection of true biblical doctrine, backed him in the killing of the Jews in Europe.

Adolf Hitler killed 6 million Jews , but atheist Lennin and Stalin killed many more under communism. Atheist Mao in China killed at least 60 million of his own people under communism. The did it through famine, mass executions , forced labor and imprisonment in deplorable conditions. The most cruel punishments known to man.

Now do I say all atheist are cruel sadists and murders as these? No certainly not. I also believe they can be good, at least to some degree, but now you come with this mass generalization which is completely untrue and unfair overlooks many Christians who are good people.

Why do some of you atheists point out all the faults in people whom call themselves Christian or are at least presumed Christian yet are also found with many of the same faults. Why do you have to try to prove yourself not guilty if you were guiltless? We don't proclaim to be sinless ,but know someone who can make us so and if any person do not walk in this life of repentance and sincerity they are not a Christian.
 
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Firstly to mention a few persons to paint Christianity bad as a whole is completely unfair typically political leaders where in general poor decisions are made, but to comment on what President Bush did, your current president who is a Christian disproves of what Bush did and mentioned the same things you said.

Point is, Christian or not, when a war is happening, the Bible's turn the other cheek and love your enemy goes out of the window. By the same token, lets not pain all Muslims bad as a whole, shall we? No religion has monopoly on violence.
To comment on Adolf Hitler. Only the Roman catholic church, with a history of abuse and tyranny and rejection of true biblical doctrine, backed him in the killing of the Jews in Europe.
I think you are forgetting Martin Luther's book "On the Jews and Their Lies" that non-Jewish Germans were familiar with. Anti Semitism was not strictly a Catholic thing.

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia
Adolf Hitler killed 6 million Jews , but atheist Lennin and Stalin killed many more under communism. Atheist Mao in China killed at least 60 million of his own people under communism. The did it through famine, forced labor imprisonment. The most cruel punishments known to man.

Adolf Hitler personally probably killed very few people. Most people were killed by Nazi Germans and those who sympathized their ideology. Many Nazi Germans themselves were Protestants and Catholics and non-religious. Mostly Christians though. Also, without the willing participation of the local population, Nazi's would not be able to kill as many Jews. And many locals were Christians too.

Now do I say all atheist are cruel sadists and murders as these? No certainly not. I also believe they can be good, at least to some degree, but now you come with this mass generalization which is completely untrue and unfair overlooks many Christians who are good people.

Stalin was an atheist, but it would be dishonest to claim he killed in the name of atheism. Stalin was responsible for conversion of the Soviet Union from mostly agrarian to industrialized nation. No doubt many locals resisted and detested the government taking their land, so ended up dead or sent to Siberia. But what was the alternative? If not for Stalin's industrialization, the Nazi's would have probably won and then the people of the Soviet Union would suffer the fate of the Native Americans.

Btw, European Christian settlers treated Native Americans with dignity and utmost respect, right? Are these the Christian values?

Lets not forget that it was the US who dropped an atomic bomb, a WMD on Japan. No doubt leadership at that time and the soldiers were mostly Christian too.

Why do some of you atheists point out all the faults in people whom call themselves Christian or are at least presumed Christian yet are also found with many of the same faults. Why do you have to try to prove yourself not guilty if you were guiltless? We don't proclaim to be sinless ,but know someone who can make us so and if any person do not walk in this life of repentance and sincerity they are not a Christian.

Spare me the outrage, please.

Being that you are from South Africa, I thought you may appreciate what this article is saying about Evangelicals and Apartheid:
Justifying Injustice with the Bible: Apartheid
 
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Point is, Christian or not, when a war is happening, the Bible's turn the other cheek and love your enemy goes out of the window. By the same token, lets not pain all Muslims bad as a whole, shall we? No religion has monopoly on violence.

I think you are forgetting Martin Luther's book "On the Jews and Their Lies" that non-Jewish Germans were familiar with. Anti Semitism was not strictly a Catholic thing.

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia


Adolf Hitler personally probably killed very few people. Most people were killed by Nazi Germans and those who sympathized their ideology. Many Nazi Germans themselves were Protestants and Catholics and non-religious. Mostly Christians though. Also, without the willing participation of the local population, Nazi's would not be able to kill as many Jews. And many locals were Christians too.



Stalin was an atheist, but it would be dishonest to claim he killed in the name of atheism. Stalin was responsible for conversion of the Soviet Union from mostly agrarian to industrialized nation. No doubt many locals resisted and detested the government taking their land, so ended up dead or sent to Siberia. But what was the alternative? If not for Stalin's industrialization, the Nazi's would have probably won and then the people of the Soviet Union would suffer the fate of the Native Americans.

Btw, European Christian settlers treated Native Americans with dignity and utmost respect, right? Are these the Christian values?

Lets not forget that it was the US who dropped an atomic bomb, a WMD on Japan. No doubt leadership at that time and the soldiers were mostly Christian too.



Spare me the outrage, please.

Being that you are from South Africa, I thought you may appreciate what this article is saying about Evangelicals and Apartheid:
Justifying Injustice with the Bible: Apartheid


The point is that the policies that Hitler and Stalin created caused millions of people to be killed and since they had the ultimate authority to allow or disallow it ,they bare the greatest responsibility for it.Hitlers good words about Christianity and at one stage calling himself a Christian was a political move and not a a religious one and have made some comments that can be considered anti-Christian Religious views of Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia. Atheism has a lot do with what Stalin did since communism denounces and even oppresses belief in God it basically tried to be God by trying to be the only law giver and provider for all the people and seeked to control every aspect in their lives and could do so by breaking every rule in the book they like , like thou shall not kill or love your neighbor and instead enslaving them .Industrialization under capitalism and democracy would of made them far more powerful and is the reason the US won the cold war. It encouraged innovation and builded economical strength that no one else could rival.
Martin Luther might not have liked Jews after a while since they refused to convert to Christianity, but he did not call for their mass slaughter of them at all he was just dissatisfied with them and I do not consider Luther a perfect man since he still held on to some unbiblical doctrines like infant baptism.

There is no doubt that the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed a lot of innocent civilians ,but what would you prefer freedom or enslavement by the Nazi's and the imperialist Japanese. Unfortunately lives are going to be lost in the fight between good and evil. You should be grateful all those young Americans in WWII sacrificed their life so you can live in a free society.

About South Africa, it was mostly the state church the Dutch Reformed Church that justified apartheid fully , there may have been others that followed to be politically correct and get favor form the government,but not all of them, I know one personally. It was that Dutch Reformed church which I have left for their religious apathy and false doctrine. I know that many pastors were against apartheid and actually supported the anti-apartheid cause, but did so secretly in fear of the governments gestapo like tactics.

Lastly your moral assertions are flawed since you get them form a Judaeo\Christian culture ingrained in you from young and now you want to denounce that very thing that created it which is very strange and that's what I really don't get about atheist like you. You want to destroy the very thing that created your free society and wealth, you don't have to believe it, but to denounce it like its something evil is just wrong based on these facts, sure your society got it's flaws but it's better than communism where they laws are based on a certain human philosophy and humans are naturally selfish and greedy and without divine laws they will make laws that are good for themselves only that's why they are they greatest dictators and despots in history. The problem is not with Christianity it's with the selfishness and greed of human beings, we are our own worst enemy, particularly political leaders, since none of these atrocities are based on Christian doctrine and the bible was willfully misinterpreted it to suit their own agenda. It was never about God ,but it was about themselves at the end of the day.
 
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There is no doubt that the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki killed a lot of innocent civilians ,but what would you prefer freedom or enslavement by the Nazi's and the imperialist Japanese. Unfortunately lives are going to be lost in the fight between good and evil. You should be grateful all those young Americans in WWII sacrificed their life so you can live in a free society.
Do you realize that we are talking atomic bomb here, right? You are not talking about a precision strike that accidentally leveled neighboring homes. You are talking the use of a WMD with lasting consequences. And it was used by a Christian nation!

Also, I was born in the Soviet Union. I know that the Soviets too took the main hit during WWII and most of Nazi German losses occurred on the Eastern Front.

I find it curious also, that technically, the United Kingdom declared war on Germany in 1939, after Nazi invasion of Poland. But somehow Hitler was brazzen enough to invade Soviet Union in June of 1941 even while technically at war with Britain. Mysteries of history, I guess.


About South Africa, it was mostly the state church the Dutch Reformed Church that justified apartheid fully , there may have been others that followed to be politically correct and get favor form the government,but not all of them, I know one personally. It was that Dutch Reformed church which I have left for their religious apathy and false doctrine. I know that many pastors were against apartheid and actually supported the anti-apartheid cause, but did so secretly in fear of the governments gestapo like tactics.

Whatever the excuse, Christians justify whatever they want justified. You may do well researching Nazi Germany Christians views on Hitler. There were negative views but lots of positives also.
The German Churches and the Nazi State
Lastly your moral assertions are flawed since you get them form a Judaeo\Christian culture ingrained in you from young and now you want to denounce that very thing that created it which is very strange and that's what I really don't get about atheist like you. You want to destroy the very thing that created your free society and wealth, you don't have to believe it, but to denounce it like its something evil is just wrong based on these facts, sure your society got it's flaws but it's better than communism where they laws are based on a certain human philosophy and humans are naturally selfish and greedy and without divine laws they will make laws that are good for themselves only that's why they are they greatest dictators and despots in history. The problem is not with Christianity it's with the selfishness and greed of human beings, we are our own worst enemy, particularly political leaders, since none of these atrocities are based on Christian doctrine and the bible was willfully misinterpreted it to suit their own agenda. It was never about God ,but it was about themselves at the end of the day.

I think morality is universal. Japanese people are not any less moral than you or I, but they don't have the "Judeo/Christian" moniker that could apply to them.

Christianity, I feel, just hijacks the good and moral and claims that it was part of the Bible all along, but that's just picking and choosing. The Quran too has passages about loving others. Maybe your values comes from Islam?
 
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Do you realize that we are talking atomic bomb here, right? You are not talking about a precision strike that accidentally leveled neighboring homes. You are talking the use of a WMD with lasting consequences. And it was used by a Christian nation!

Also, I was born in the Soviet Union. I know that the Soviets too took the main hit during WWII and most of Nazi German losses occurred on the Eastern Front.

I find it curious also, that technically, the United Kingdom declared war on Germany in 1939, after Nazi invasion of Poland. But somehow Hitler was brazzen enough to invade Soviet Union in June of 1941 even while technically at war with Britain. Mysteries of history, I guess.




Whatever the excuse, Christians justify whatever they want justified. You may do well researching Nazi Germany Christians views on Hitler. There were negative views but lots of positives also.
The German Churches and the Nazi State


I think morality is universal. Japanese people are not any less moral than you or I, but they don't have the "Judeo/Christian" moniker that could apply to them.

Christianity, I feel, just hijacks the good and moral and claims that it was part of the Bible all along, but that's just picking and choosing. The Quran too has passages about loving others. Maybe your values comes from Islam?

Still breaking the rules, I see. Now, THAT's integrity if I do say so myself!
 
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So, I'm not allowed to respond to a post addressed to ME?

Nope, and my fellow Christian above, despite the fact that he may be correct or incorrect, really shouldn't have responded to you, not because he was wrong in doing so but because it simply invited you to transgress even more..........................................

Of course, if one is an atheist, then who knows where one's core of morality actually comes from and we Christians probably shouldn't be surprised. Be that as it may, you just keep on doing what you're doing since that is what you're going to do apparently. Just remember, two wrongs don't make a right.

Anyway, I realize you're human just as I am, so do what you will, but don't be surprised when your written communication in this section disappears when the mods do a clean-up...............................
 
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Do you realize that we are talking atomic bomb here, right? You are not talking about a precision strike that accidentally leveled neighboring homes. You are talking the use of a WMD with lasting consequences. And it was used by a Christian nation!

Also, I was born in the Soviet Union. I know that the Soviets too took the main hit during WWII and most of Nazi German losses occurred on the Eastern Front.

I find it curious also, that technically, the United Kingdom declared war on Germany in 1939, after Nazi invasion of Poland. But somehow Hitler was brazzen enough to invade Soviet Union in June of 1941 even while technically at war with Britain. Mysteries of history, I guess.




Whatever the excuse, Christians justify whatever they want justified. You may do well researching Nazi Germany Christians views on Hitler. There were negative views but lots of positives also.
The German Churches and the Nazi State


I think morality is universal. Japanese people are not any less moral than you or I, but they don't have the "Judeo/Christian" moniker that could apply to them.

Christianity, I feel, just hijacks the good and moral and claims that it was part of the Bible all along, but that's just picking and choosing. The Quran too has passages about loving others. Maybe your values comes from Islam?
You do understand positive Christian was christianity by name only right? As the Father of the church was not God but hitler himself.

how can any religion claim to be christian if it does not worship God?
 
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Do you realize that we are talking atomic bomb here, right? You are not talking about a precision strike that accidentally leveled neighboring homes. You are talking the use of a WMD with lasting consequences. And it was used by a Christian nation!

Also, I was born in the Soviet Union. I know that the Soviets too took the main hit during WWII and most of Nazi German losses occurred on the Eastern Front.

I find it curious also, that technically, the United Kingdom declared war on Germany in 1939, after Nazi invasion of Poland. But somehow Hitler was brazzen enough to invade Soviet Union in June of 1941 even while technically at war with Britain. Mysteries of history, I guess.




Whatever the excuse, Christians justify whatever they want justified. You may do well researching Nazi Germany Christians views on Hitler. There were negative views but lots of positives also.
The German Churches and the Nazi State


I think morality is universal. Japanese people are not any less moral than you or I, but they don't have the "Judeo/Christian" moniker that could apply to them.

Christianity, I feel, just hijacks the good and moral and claims that it was part of the Bible all along, but that's just picking and choosing. The Quran too has passages about loving others. Maybe your values comes from Islam?

The atomic bombs that were dropped on Japan were in no way the best way of dealing with the situation. The US was very determined to win the war and did that in desperation ,remember Albert Einstein called Roosevelt and told him the Nazi's were developing a atomic bomb and they had develop one first or they will lose the war, if that happened obviously, the father of modern science whom atheists like to praise so much started the development of the atomic bomb and they even used one of his formulas namely E=mc2 to realize its possibility. I'm not saying it was right, but the US was in a very tough position at that time and made the choice to use it. Not a good moral one, but one that won the war. I think a lot more people were killed with conventional bombs anyway so you cannot say that would of been much better.

About the Soviet union. Yes they were an important ally in the Axis powers and the Russian winter absolutely dessimated Hitlers army and a much better equipped USSR army defeated them. The only thing is Stalin was a really bad guy whom either killed or imprisoned anybody that did not agree with him so much so that he targeted doctors and when he needed one there were no good ones left and he died of complications from the stroke he had and his friends well didn't seem to mourn him much. It seems like many in the US like communism except those whom live in communist countries or even Russians were Putin is using a lot of communist tactics.


Do you know that Japan is a very westernized country since after bringing it to it's knees the US help rebuild it into a 1st world country and also with the Japs own hard work. They are a democracy and have a constitution based on the US constitution which is based on Judaeo\Christian principles like freedom of religion ,thought and human dignity which is derived from the understanding that man is made in the image of God which gives them their worth and these rights. What do you think people in Hong Kong are fighting over? To maintain these very rights.

Morality is not exactly universal since people do argue about what is considered moral. There are some basics like do not kill,lie,steal or hurt others, but even then the conditions where these apply varies in cultures and\or religions.
Islam came about in the 7th century long after Judaism and Christianity came on the scene so they ripped off a lot of things from the Bible not the other way around.

Listen we can agree to disagree, but to suggest atheism is better than Christianity is completely false look what chaos this atheistic secularism is creating. Denying natural objective standards like gender and their roles.
Not to say all atheists ascribe to it ,but having no objective standard for morality and making everything subject to individual interpretation is not good it just creates chaos. Then us Christians want to shine a light on these issues we are just rebuffed and told our opinion doesn't count or matter or is just wrong. And remember the very fact that you can even be an atheist is ,because of the rights that Christian government gave you, freedom of religion and thought.

Well it was good debating with you I would rather have us arguing than having no conversation at all. Have a good day Sir and please back off on the Christian bashing and rather debate it more like many do.
 
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