I can’t take God and faith seriously

[Johan_1988]

Religious people killed more than anybody. Fact. Christian USA destroys Muslim middle east today. Millions upon millions of deaths. Christian US voters support it

When it comes to the war in Iraq and Afghanistan I do not agree with president Bush's decision to start a war there . However radical Islam is a great threat to peace and stability in the middle East. The US are not going and killing every Muslim in sight. That form of Islam is bad and If they could put a gun to your head and force you to convert, as they have done in previous centuries, they would. They would not respect you as and atheist.

You seem very bitter towards Christianity and your bias is not explained by any fact just textbook communist propaganda as I see it. I do not condemn atheists as people who want to kill people ,although I believe some of the ideologies birthed from it can cause it. Why should you define Christianity by what people do anyway? If Biblical Christianity does not teach it ,they got it form somewhere else.

I hope you find peace someday. It can never be pleasant to live with so much hate inside of you. You will end up persecuting innocent people for their faith and possibly those close to you for no good reason.

 

[Temirlan]

When it comes to the war in Iraq and Afghanistan I do not agree with president Bush's decision to start a war there . However radical Islam is a great threat to peace and stability in the middle East. The US are not going and killing every Muslim in sight. That form of Islam is bad and If they could put a gun to your head and force you to convert, as they have done in previous centuries, they would. They would not respect you as and atheist.

You seem very bitter towards Christianity and your bias is not explained by any fact just textbook communist propaganda as I see it. I do not condemn atheists as people who want to kill people ,although I believe some of the ideologies birthed from it can cause it. Why should you define Christianity by what people do anyway? If Biblical Christianity does not teach it ,they got it form somewhere else.

I hope you find peace someday. It can never be pleasant to live with so much hate inside of you. You will end up persecuting innocent people for their faith and possibly those close to you for no good reason.

Not just Iraq and Afghanistan. Elsewhere in the region and all over the world. It is regular civilians dying.

Funny. Radical Islamic religious guys greatly multiply as the result of these aggressions for natural resources, not vice versa.

Christianity murdered and enslaved more people in the world than any other ideology in human history. Religious wars. Conflict. Hate. Extermination of "savage" native Amerindians, Africans, Asians, Australian aboriginals

Etc etc etc

All other religions aren't much better, but Christianity is the champion. Hitler was fully supported by the church...

Sad, but true.

 

[Johan_1988]

Not just Iraq and Afghanistan. All over the world. It is regular civilians dying.

Funny. Bad religious guys multiply as the result of these aggressions for resiurces, not vice versa.

Christianity murdered and enslaved more people in the world than any other ideology in human history. Religious wars. Conflict. Hate. Extermination of "savage" native Amerindians, Africans, Asians, Australian aboriginals

Etc etc etc

Politicians will always try to manipulate and sway people to do what they want. Many nations to that called themselves Christians are not and under the influence of satanism through the practice of freemasonry. That's why many are secular states now

The church that backed Adolf Hitler was the Roman catholic church which does not constitute orthodox Christianity since they pray to Mary and the saints ,just a spin on the worship of the queen of heaven or Semiramis. The Roman catholic church actually control freemasonry, their symbols on the great cathedrals prove it. They just want to establish a new world order under satan who is the god of freemasonry.

You can believe what what you want it's your choice. All I can say is I have seen the face of evil and it's not Jesus Christ. It is the devil pretending to be him and deceiving many.

Goodbye

 

[Aldrin25]

Politicians will always try to manipulate and sway people to do what they want. Many nations to that called themselves Christians are not and under the influence of satanism through the practice of freemasonry. That's why many are secular states now

The church that backed Adolf Hitler was the Roman catholic church which does not constitute orthodox Christianity since they pray to Mary and the saints ,just a spin on the worship of the queen of heaven or Semiramis. The Roman catholic church actually control freemasonry, their symbols on the great cathedrals prove it. They just want to establish a new world order under satan who is the god of freemasonry.

You can believe what what you want it's your choice. All I can say is I have seen the face of evil and it's not Jesus Christ. It is the devil pretending to be him and deceiving many.

Goodbye

Your correct about this, my country is a Christian country but many are catholics, you would see many here has broken families, they are consistently every sunday to mass but no change life...It really broke my heart that's why I love sharing Jesus here in my country.

Full of traditions, laws, rules but no changed of heart, no transformation in life.

 

[Bobber]

All other religions aren't much better, but Christianity is the champion. Hitler was fully supported by the church...

Sad, but true.

Hi Termirlan....not sure if you'll get what I'm saying....I pray that you do, but NO Hitler was not supported by the church. But you say No but we have this documented that the church....nope....the church, the REAL church and they can a Roman Catholic or Protestant the REAL spiritual church on the earth did not back a lunatic committing atrociousness. What you're referring to as The Church is an institutional system. The thing you need to consider is that the church transcends institutional covers which some mistake as the church. Not necessarily.

 

[Temirlan]

Your correct about this, my country is a Christian country but many are catholics, you would see many here has broken families, they are consistently every sunday to mass but no change life...It really broke my heart that's why I love sharing Jesus here in my country.

Full of traditions, laws, rules but no changed of heart, no transformation in life.

Christianity kills the soul

 

[Temirlan]

Hi Termirlan....not sure if you'll get what I'm saying....I pray that you do, but NO Hitler was not supported by the church. But you say No but we have this documented that the church....nope....the church, the REAL church and they can a Roman Catholic or Protestant the REAL spiritual church on the earth did not back a lunatic committing atrociousness. What you're referring to as The Church is an institutional system. The thing you need to consider is that the church transcends institutional covers which some mistake as the church. Not necessarily.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Hard to see and admit the truth!

 

[Temirlan]

Politicians will always try to manipulate and sway people to do what they want. Many nations to that called themselves Christians are not and under the influence of satanism through the practice of freemasonry. That's why many are secular states now

The church that backed Adolf Hitler was the Roman catholic church which does not constitute orthodox Christianity since they pray to Mary and the saints ,just a spin on the worship of the queen of heaven or Semiramis. The Roman catholic church actually control freemasonry, their symbols on the great cathedrals prove it. They just want to establish a new world order under satan who is the god of freemasonry.

You can believe what what you want it's your choice. All I can say is I have seen the face of evil and it's not Jesus Christ. It is the devil pretending to be him and deceiving many.

Goodbye

Blind followers of a murderous lie... Will never see the light of Truth.

 

[aiki]

when I was young I grew up in church and had very strong faith however I always had fear that I wasn’t saved.

Well, this sounds a bit...contradictory. If you had a strong faith, why did you fear you weren't saved? Wouldn't a strong faith preclude such a fear?

When I was about 15 I got doubts and I stopped going to church as my faith in God deteriorated.

Why did your faith in God deteriorate? Was it that you believed in your head that God existed but not in your heart? Did you ever love God and live your life in humble service to Him? In my experience, those who walk away from God typically have never been truly in relationship with Him.

I am now 20 years old and have been back to my old church 4 times in the last month. But I do not feel anything anymore and I can’t take what the pastors and songs seriously anymore.

You chose a particular course and now you've become set in it. Are you surprised? You turned your back on a God with whom I doubt you ever had a real relationship and have lived apart from him for five years. Why would going to church change the antagonistic thinking and attitude toward God you've been nurturing for the past five years?

I think I do believe God is there as I am slightly fearful I am not right with Him but I just don’t feel any connection with Christianity anymore and can’t get it back.

Your problem isn't with Christianity the religion, but with the God of Christianity, toward whom you've set yourself in rebellion. It is not surprising that some part of you not quite totally hardened against God still feels some pang of fear. God doesn't take a person's rebellion toward Him lightly and you must still have some sense of this. Anyway, it is never too late to change your course and embrace, not the religion of Christianity, but the Person of Christ. It is with him you must deal, not with the religion that worships and serves him.

How can anyone be saved after just hearing a message when they know nothing about Jesus or anything in the bible.

How indeed? Ignorance is never a good basis for any choice. And walking with God costs. And so the Bible warns anyone choosing to follow Christ to carefully consider the cost of doing so. God wants all of a person, and He often calls His children to sacrifice and suffer for His sake, just like Jesus did. Walking with God isn't for pantywaists.

In the same way someone could say another person did great things in the past, “who wants this person in their lives now?”.

I understand the point you're trying to make but you're making a category error in your comparison. Jesus was unlike any other person. In fact, he was the one and only God-Man, the singular incarnation of God. And one can have a relationship with him that is unlike any other relationship one can enter into.

I have many problems right now in my life and am not happy at all.
I have no faith and belief anymore. I wish I could but I just can’t.

God offers to all an "abundant life" in Christ. It is a life of sacrifice and suffering at times, but also one of peace, joy and contentment. God did not make any of us to live apart from Him, and when we do, many problems begin to afflict us.

You have faith to believe; you just don't want to exercise that faith in Christ. Why not? What doubts do you have, exactly?

 

[aiki]

Blind followers of a murderous lie... Will never see the light of Truth.

Temirlan, if you want to talk things out concerning Christianity, then start your own thread and do so. But the verbal sniping your doing in this thread is inappropriate. If you don't knock it off, I'm going to report you and you will be warned and then banned.

 

[Charles Kanyuga]

I can’t take God and faith seriously

On reading this thread, I only understand well what's going on.
I wish to let you know that it is not God or Faith you are struggling with but may be He has not been well represented to you. I wish not to blame anyone for this but religion: customs that seemingly are connecting us with God.
The first important thing to note is that God does not subscribe to any particular religion instead he searches for people who are willing to be like he is. See John wrote an epistle (1 John 4:17) noting that IN THIS WORLD WE ARE LIKE JESUS. This being like Jesus is what you have failed to see, the only thing presented to you are rituals and customs that are insignificant to your relationship with God.
When God looks at you he sees a son that is why Jesus taught us to pray "our Father." This is the relationship that God wants from you not necessary subscribing to a religious group. The person whom we learn from is Christ who is presented to us in the scriptures as he said in Luke 24: 44He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."
God knows you as his son and will not deny you even if you deny him. All you need to know is that he will allow the choices that you make to judge you. If you choose the way that denies life then he is gracious enough not to make choices for you.
Follow CHRIST not "Christianity" that would be my advice. I know that this statement needs further clarifications but I would love that you seek to understand what Jesus taught and what he stood for... basically you will realise he came to restore what the modern man calls humanity...love. If you must practice a religion then love people regardless of who they are, race, creed, rank etc. understand that all people matter no matter who they are... for we no know that God loved the world for that reason he gave his son... If we must practice any religion even James said, love is most prevalent religion.
Faith is realised when we obey this most important command from Jesus, LOVE ONE ONOTHER. So I mean to say faith is not magic, or mysticism but it is believing the word of God firstly regarding who you are to him (SON) and secondly doing what represents him (LOVE) because GOD IS LOVE.

 

[SwordmanJr]

Blind followers of a murderous lie... Will never see the light of Truth.

What exactly are your beliefs, besides the fact that you defy the historical facts about how atheists have killed far more people than religious charlatans? It's true that people claiming some "religion" have killed many people. Some wars were religious-based. No doubt.

So, what are your beliefs about creation, God, no-God, whatever?

Jr

 

[AservantofGodandthelordJC]

When you are truly saved, you will know it beyond any doubt.

1 John 1:6

 

[pantingdeer]

Well I can’t just believe. Do I just choose to believe when I know not much. Isn’t that blindly accepting something?

 

[Hawkins]

Well I can’t just believe. Do I just choose to believe when I know not much. Isn’t that blindly accepting something?

You do. Just the way how you swallow the contents of a book we call history. Have you had any history class in the past?

 

[SwordmanJr]

Well I can’t just believe. Do I just choose to believe when I know not much. Isn’t that blindly accepting something?

Where do you set the bar of your acceptance for proof for what is true? If you don't believe your eyes in what you can see in the creation all around you, then what more can possibly be given that you may know God is real? Are you one who believes that nothing created everything, including reproducing life forms, thought, reason, ethics, love, etc.?

Jr

 

[pantingdeer]

Where do you set the bar of your acceptance for proof for what is true? If you don't believe your eyes in what you can see in the creation all around you, then what more can possibly be given that you may know God is real? Are you one who believes that nothing created everything, including reproducing life forms, thought, reason, ethics, love, etc.?

Jr

No I don’t think that much. Don’t get how you can just one day say you believe or putting your faith in a person written about 2000 yrs ago

 

[pantingdeer]

You do. Just the way how you swallow the contents of a book we call history. Have you had any history class in the past?

I don’t understand. Yes I did ww1

 

[SwordmanJr]

No I don’t think that much. Don’t get how you can just one day say you believe or putting your faith in a person written about 2000 yrs ago

What difference does it make how far removed from your lifetime another person lived? Antiquity is not the measure for truth. If you consider not only the eye witness accounts, but also the historic validity of the source, one can at least think that it's worth exploration.

What's holding you back? Do you have an intellectual reason for your doubts, or is it volitional?

If it's volitional, then no amount of evidence will ever convince you.

If it's intellectual, then perhaps we can talk as long as we avoid the usual red herrings about the Bible allegedly standing in opposition to science, etc., etc.

So, if you have rational reasons for doubting the historicity of Christ Jesus, then by all means, we're all ears. I like hearing other people's thoughts are more substantial than the usual fare of bandwagon falsehoods parroted by so many out there with an axe to grind.

Jr

 

[Lukaris]

What works for me in having faith in Jesus Christ is realizing the conflict of right vs wrong in my conscience. I believe my conscience needs a higher authority to guide me in living life. For me the commandments that Christ tells us to live by provide me with the awareness as to how life should be lived ( I still struggle of course).

The commandments Christ gives us are ( see: Matthew 19:16-19, Romans 13:8-10, Matthew 22:36-40, Matthew 7:12, then read Matthew 7:1-12). These seem to sum up how we should strive to live life with each other.

However basic these may seem, we really fall short on them. These are the commandments of God, authored by God. Conforming our conscience to
to these commandments helps us know right from wrong & wisdom to help others ( we are not zombies).

If we can grasp this then knowing Jesus Christ as our Lord & savior is realized. Life will remain complicated but our repentance to & faith in Christ will sustain us. Jesus says if we love Him, we will keep His commandments ( John 14:15-18). Our conscience will be completed in this ( 1 Timothy 1:5).

We will see the need for the highest expressions of our faith in being charitable & in prayer ( Matthew 6:1-15).