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Here it is again...
Scots teen sent herself depraved messages in vicious social media vendetta
What part is "fake"?
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A Rather Vicious False Allegation
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Here it is again...
Scots teen sent herself depraved messages in vicious social media vendetta
What part is "fake"?
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If the question is why would people assume she's right and he's wrong...most people are going with the statistics. ...and according to the statistics, most allegations of sexual misconduct/abuse have merit.
Now, I'm not personally a fan of being a "slave to the stats" when someone's freedom and public reputation are at stake, I still think every case needs to be evaluated for its own merits.
But, in a way, the "attack the victim" mentality that exists in a substantial portion of the right wing is to blame for the visceral reaction from the left and them wanting to instantly "take the side of the woman no matter what"
When you see how they conducted themselves in the high profile cases like with Brett and Roy Moore, it's not surprising that people would react the way they do.
Extreme rhetoric from one political faction isn't often met with a less extreme reaction from the other side...these things tend to escalate more than they deescalate.
Now, I'm not personally a fan of being a "slave to the stats" when someone's freedom and public reputation are at stake, I still think every case needs to be evaluated for its own merits.
But, in a way, the "attack the victim" mentality that exists in a substantial portion of the right wing is to blame for the visceral reaction from the left and them wanting to instantly "take the side of the woman no matter what"
When you see how they conducted themselves in the high profile cases like with Brett and Roy Moore, it's not surprising that people would react the way they do.
Extreme rhetoric from one political faction isn't often met with a less extreme reaction from the other side...these things tend to escalate more than they deescalate.
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Interesting...
I don't know if that's true, but it's an interesting theory.
Right.
You'd have to first assume someone is a victim there...
I can't speak for Roy....I didn't really follow that one. The little I gathered was that he corroborated some of the evidence against him.
Brett on the other hand was basically a witch hunt....which has since been admitted to being politically motivated. There was no evidence....and those who defended him were demonized not just for being right wing, but for being white, and male.
There's something very wrong with that.
In regards to your earlier statements about "statistical likelihood"....would it be wrong to take the side of a police officer accused of something? Given that statistically, the allegations rarely pan out.
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Either she was telling the truth, in which case she was the victim, or she was lying, in which case he was.
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No offense but blaming the victim - or attacking the victim has been around for 1000's of years now.
It's hardly left or right, and neither is it one side instantly after 1000's of year growing a conscience. lol Come on now!
If we have to be political about this - which is nonsense, but since its popular today?
The ME TOO movement really took hold after the Weinstein ugliness. Weinstein was left, attacked mostly left leaning women, and left leaning people covered for him for how many years? History says the visceral reaction started at that point, and had nothing to do with the right.
The visceral 'take the side of the woman no matter what' part came after they - the left - got caught enabling a rapist. The METOO started prior to him, but grew very popular - and very culturally acceptable recently because of him. Sounds like you forgot about the substantial portion of the left wing getting caught with their pants down, and are trying to deflect saying it's all the 'right wing' ...lol or a substantial portion of it doing this.
My take? Maybe human beings are finally starting to get it when it comes to these ugly circumstances, and having major issues owning the fact they were on the wrong side of things for 1000's of years. Sadly, we tend to go to far and not balance things at the beginning. Could be that visceral reaction you speak of, and then we tend to back pedal...and move to a more fair approach.
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...but there's a key difference with the regards to the political implications and responses in recent times.
During the whole Roy Moore controversy, we had people doing things like the following:
Jim Zeigler defended Moore's alleged actions on biblical grounds,[140]
Ed Henry advocated prosecuting the accusers criminally.[141]
David Hall said that the encounter was irrelevant because it happened "40 years ago".
Jerry Pow said that he'd support Roy Moore "even if the candidate had committed a sex crime" because he "wouldn't want to vote for a democrat"
William Blocker stated that he would still consider voting for Moore even if "hard proof of sexual abuse emerged" because "a democrat getting the seat would be worse than anything Roy Moore could've done".
Breitbart defended Moore by saying that relationships between 30-something year old man and 16 girls were "not inappropriate".[132]
From a public perspective, yes, victim-blaming and victim-attacking has been around...but never has it been met with these kinds of responses from prominent political figures.
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Prominent in Alabama maybe....I had to look up every name on the list. I can understand why people who work with him, owe him political favors, or have careers tied to him might defend him...it should be expected.
When you look at the list of prominent figures on the right that aren't really tied to Roy...there's no real shortage of names that condemned or opposed him.
Here are the Republican leaders who opposed Roy Moore
I don't like the timing of it....but even more were willing to condemn him after he lost.
What can we say of the left and Kavanaugh? Is there a list of names that supported him before or after his confirmation? How about just saying "let's not jump to conclusions until the investigation is done"?
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Weinstein is a much bigger issue than what you are comparing it too. You are speaking of huge amount of people with much power, and media corporations covering for him - and at times sending him new women. So, they basically were sending him new 'rape' material to keep their cash flow and power going.
You might not get nice neat little quotes from those that helped him harm those women for years and years. They aren't going to publicly defend this man after they privately enabled him for years. They could be placed in legal jeopardy. Please don't pretend you can't see the difference. I know you do.
This isn't a left/right issue was my point.
You claimed the ME TOO response was due to Moore Or Kavanaugh (right), and I pointed out NO it started with Weinstein(left). Lastly, if you think prominent political figures only recently commented on circumstance like this? You need to check your history again. Claiming it has never been met with these kinds of responses? Not true.
You are deflecting here.
The visceral reaction in this case was started by actions on the left (Weinstein), and people SHOULD BE outraged over his sexual kingdom he set up for himself. They should also be looking at many within the power or celebrity world, because these women were used for their own profit. These are the same people that claim they support the 'METOO' movement as well, and you could quote those if need be. For now they are safe, but I have feeling as his case moves forward? They are going to grow more uncomfortable.
Slimes like this aren't geared towards one political party Rob. They are all around us. It's only recently did people finally want to admit it/discuss it/own it. There will be more in the future that will be covered for, but hopefully now they will be more easily called out. I have my doubts, but I can dream.
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