Testable Creation Facts

Sheesh. He just keeps saying stuff.

I started out awarding you a funny for that. Then I read it again and thought about it and changed the award to a Winner. In all the responses, refutations, put downs, questions directed to Aman777 that is absolutely the most relevant, the most incisive, the sweetest of them all; the distillation of rhetoric genius. No more need be said. Love it.

Aman777 said:

God's Truth quiets them. Amen?

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If there be a god, your truth isn't its.

Aman777 said:

I don't want to scare you but there is a God and today you will stand before Him because the present 6th Day is also the Day of Judgment. Of course since God is perfect and He has told us to be perfect even as He is perfect, Mat 5:48 the question is have you been perfect in every way since you've been on this Earth?

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Take your threats elsewhere. I'm as afraid as I would be if you threatened to kick me in my aura.

Aman777 said:

Where did you get the idea that it was a threat? God doesn't threaten but He does promise. IF you haven't been perfect, you're in need of a Saviour.

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God doesn't do anything. He doesn't exist. You are threatening me with your god. "Believe or you're gonna get it" is a threat.

Aman777 said:

Not my God. He gives you a free choice of where you would like to spend Eternity. It would be unjust for Him to force you into Heaven. His name is Jesus.

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No he doesn't. He doesn't exist.

Aman777 said:

Do you actually believe that replying is the same as refuting?

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I've seen lots of people, including BB, refuting your arguments.

You don't get to claim it wasn't a refutation simply because you don't want it to be.

Aman777 said:

The only evolution which took place was that Humans, (Noah's grandsons) with the most superior intelligence in creation, married and produced children with the prehistoric people, (sons of God) who were already here when the Ark arrived 11k years ago, in the mountains of Ararat, exactly as God told us in Genesis 8:4.

Evolution is wrong because we did NOT evolve from the last universal common ancestor on planet Earth, but instead; we were created to have dominion or rule over everything God created. We are NOT apes, but instead, we are the intellectual giants, the Nephiyl, the combination of Adam's superior intelligence and the DNA of prehistoric mankind. Genesis 6:4 That's God's irrefutable Truth. Amen?

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Once again, you make this claim and provide NOTHING to support it.

Aman777 said:

Some STILL think that abiogenesis, or magical chemical generation, is the creator.

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This statement does not show that scientists had no idea at all about where life could have started prior to 2016.

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their (eternal) kind, and every winged fowl after his (temporary) kind: and God saw that it was good.

Gen 1:24 ¶ And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Who made cattle? Lord God or Jesus did. Genesis 2:19 His name in the OT is YHWH, which no man can say. Some have added vowels and called Him Jehovah. Without Him was not anything made which was made. Jhn 1:3 God told Jesus to make the creatures from the ground and let Adam name them.

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Sorry, I meant Genesis 1:20, not 1:21.

AND GOD SAID.

It's the exact same phrasing in both passages. In one, it talks about the creation of creatures in the water. In the other, it talks about creatures coming from land. Using the exact same phrasing.

God made Adam long before Noah arrived on this Earth. Adam was "formed" from the dust on the 3rd Day by Lord God/Jesus. He lived with Jesus in a body like that of God for billions of years. On the 5th Day, which is some 9 billion years AFTER Adam was made, God created "every living creature that moveth" from Water. After Adam, sinned, he found himself in a body of flesh like that of the prehistoric people who had evolved from Water.

Noah's grandsons had NO other Humans to marry so they married and produced children with the prehistoric people who were here 11k years ago. History agrees:

• 10,000–9,000 years ago (8000 BC to 7000 BC): In northern Mesopotamia, now northern Iraq, cultivation of barley and wheat begins. At first they are used for beer, gruel, and soup, eventually for bread.[35] In early agriculture at this time, the planting stick is used, but it is replaced by a primitive plow in subsequent centuries.[36] Around this time, a round stone tower, now preserved to about 8.5 meters high and 8.5 meters in diameter is built in Jericho.[37]

Some believe that Jericho is the oldest city because prehistoric people used to come to the Oasis there. Since today's Science does NOT know the difference between prehistoric people and Humans (descendants of Adam), their timeline is false.

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Wow, you really don't seem to understand what I am asking you.

You claim that there were two entirely different groups of people - Noah's descendants were one group and the other group were the prehistoric people (who somehow managed to survive the world-destroying flood - how does that work?).

Please show me a valid scientific source to show that these two groups existed.

I don't. I simply point out that the FIRST sentence in the Bible does NOT show that Water was created, along with the air/heaven and earth/ground. God KNEW that water was within the air/heaven, so He did NOT say that he "created" water. This is correct scientifically since water is a compound of two gases in the air.

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So you are guessing.

Then, where are the Christians who know the Bible? Why don't they accuse me of what you do? Do you think Christians would allow twisting God's Holy Word?

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HA! Because no Christian has EVER twisted the Bible to suit their own agenda!

I have 11 examples of how Genesis AGREES with the discoveries of Science, history, genetics and math. So far, NO ONE has been able to refute (prove me wrong) on ANY of them. This confirms that God's Truth is the Truth in every way. Amen?

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No you haven't!

Aman777 said:

Thanks for your unbelieving opinion. Can you explain WHY the believers in evolution disagree with me so much? Is it because they are frustrated?

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Anybody with an ounce of honesty, knowledge, integrity or respect for human dignity would disagree with the rancid codswollop you routinely purvey.

QUOTE="Aman777, post: 74308684, member: 323752"]1. Genesis 1:21 shows that every living creature that moveth was made from water on the 5th Day. Science recently discovered the same. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/s...-ancestor.html Jul 25, 2016

4. Genesis 6:4 shows HOW to make a modern Human by mixing the sons of God (prehistoric people) with Humans (Adam's descendants). This is so successful that we now have some 7.7 Billion living Humans (descendants of Adam) on planet Earth.

5. Genesis 1:1 correctly shows that Water was not created but came forth from Heaven or Air, the first thing created and inside was Oxygen and Hydrogen.

That's God's irrefutable Truth written more than 3k years ago. It's testable evidence of the literal God since NO man of the time knew any of this. Try to refute just one of these testable facts. Amen?[/QUOTE]

I'm a creationist and even I don't agree with you, sorry.

1) That perfect world is no more and can't be tested. It changed at the fall.
2) We really don't know much about the Nephilim but nowhere does it say we are descendants of them. The Bible suggests they were fallen angels who somehow had children with human women and were one of the reasons for the flood. We can't fathom how because that was the fallen world, and things worked different there to how they do now. The flood destroyed all trace of them because only 8 people went on the ark and none of them were Nephilim.
3) Gensis1:1 does not give any details about water, oxygen or anything else, only that God made it. Since God made everything he also made water.

Creation cannot be prooved and I don't think God wants it prooved, he wants faith.
Romans 1:20 "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse." You either have faith or you don't and remember what Jesus said in John 20:29 "Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Kylie said:

Please show me that scientists had no idea life started in the water prior to 2016.
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Since I learned life started in the oceans first before college it would seem scientists had to have known that before the 1970s.

coffee4u said:

I'm a creationist and even I don't agree with you, sorry.

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@Aman777 , you were asking where the Christians were who disagreed with you.

Aman777 said:

Doesn't matter since Humans (descendants of Adam) did NOT descend from Apes nor LUCA. Adam was made long BEFORE the first universal common ancestor appeared in water exactly as God told us in Genesis 1:21. Hint: Adam was NOT made of flesh and lived with Jesus for Billions of years before he sinned.

For 99% of the time since "supposed" humans changed from apes to prehistoric people, these beings lived just like any other animal. SUDDENLY, on the 150th day after the flood began, Noah arrived bringing the FIRST Humans (descendants of Adam) with him. IOW, in less than 1% of the time since prehistoric people evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, Humans have gone from Caves to the Moon and back. History AGREES and shows the FIRST agriculture began just south of Lake Van, Turkey, in the mountains of Ararat. Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE



Must be WHY they call her the LAST universal common ancestor. It's not relevant since Humans did NOT evolve from Apes but were made long BEFORE plants, herbs, rain Genesis 2:4-7 and Trees Genesis 1:12.



Sure it does since it shows that God's Truth in Genesis is just now being discovered by Science. It's proof of God since NO man of the time could have possibly known what people, who are living in the last days, with the increased knowledge of our time which necessary to understand what God told us in the 1st Book of the Bible. Daniel 12:4



Amen, since Humans were made billions of years before ANY other creature, which means Adam was FIRST made and did NOT evolve from ANY other creature.



Read Genesis 4:17-22 to find the technology of Humans (descendants of Adam) on the first Earth. Adam, Cain and Abel were Farmers with no evolution. Noah's grandsons married and produced children with the prehistoric people who had evolved from Apes and today's Humans are the result. It all happened BEFORE on Adam's Earth before the flood. Genesis 6:4



That's why I posted Genesis 4:17-22.



The test will happen soon. It's called the Judgment. I can hardly wait. How bout you?

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That claim is a lie.