No one "wins" salvation either according to the scripture. They either believe with Faith in Jesus or they don't.
You really have no idea what the Bible actually teaches or what a believer believes.
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You really have no idea what the Bible actually teaches or what a believer believes.
What's tiresome is that I keep explaining that's not what my point was, but you keep repeating the misrepresentation. Readers can see what's been posted. It's all there for everyone to read. I welcome no further dialogue (but will correct your misrepresentations of my posts).
Men Who Stare at (Sheep) and Goats: Is This Judgment Past? — A New Day Dawning
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A very dear friend of mine of the EOC posted this beautiful icon/painting of the Pantocrator....................
Why Four Gospels?
Mar 20, 2011
Thekla said: ↑
It's not dogma ...
The four Gospel writers are the icons on the pendentives supporting the dome which has the icon of Jesus Christ Pantocrater; this is a visual demonstration of Christ as ruler of all, and the importance of the Gospels (and Holy Scripture) in the EO.
Very nice icon!
2 Corininthians 6:18 'And I shall be to ye as a father and ye shall be to Me as sons and daughters' is saying LORD Almighty/pantokratwr <3841>.
Hallelujah and Its Hebrew Meaning - Israel Study Center
“Hallelu” (הללו) and “Yah” (יה).
HalleluYah!
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2 Corinthians 11:14
“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”
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Please read First Corinthians 3:15 again. The chaff, tares, wood, hay and stubble are burned up, but the person is saved as through fire, but suffering loss, for they could have had gold, silver and precious gems.
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I recognize a false dichotomy when I see one. Yours, here, is glaringly apparent. It does not follow that because God is not a Saviour to some, that He is not a Saviour at all. A gun has the potential to shoot bullets but if the gun is never used to shoot bullets is it not, therefore, a gun, or unable to shoot bullets? Obviously not. In the same way, God's capacity to save is not contingent upon how much that capacity is exercised.
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Consume.........
Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
occurs 41 times in 39 verses in the NKJV.
1st verse used:
Exo 32:10
“Now therefore, let Me alone, that My wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them. And I will make of you a great nation.”
Jer 8:13
“I will surely consume them,” says the LORD.
“No grapes shall be on the vine, Nor figs on the fig tree,
And the leaf shall fade; And the things I have given them shall pass away from them.” ' ”
Jer 14:12
“When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and grain offering, I will not accept them.
But I will consume them by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence.”
Jer 49:27
“I will kindle a fire in the wall of Damascus,
And it shall consume the palaces of Ben-Hadad.”[fn]
Eze 13:13
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “I will cause a stormy wind to break forth in My fury; and there shall be a flooding rain in My anger, and great hailstones in fury to consume it.
Eze 20:13
“Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them';[fn] and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths.
Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.
Eze 35:12
“Then you shall know that I am the LORD. I have heard all your blasphemies which you have spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, ‘They are desolate; they are given to us to consume.'
Dan 2:44
“And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.
Dan 7:26
‘But the court shall be seated, And they shall take away his dominion, To consume and destroy it forever.
Hos 11:6
And the sword shall slash in his cities,
Devour his districts,
And consume them,
Because of their own counsels.
Zep 1:2
“I will utterly consume everything
From the face of the land,”
Says the LORD;
Zep 1:3
“I will consume man and beast;
I will consume the birds of the heavens,The fish of the sea,
And the stumbling blocks[fn] along with the wicked.
I will cut off man from the face of the land,” Says the LORD.
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Zec 5:4
“I will send out the curse,” says the LORD of hosts;
“It shall enter the house of the thief
And the house of the one who swears falsely by My name.
It shall remain in the midst of his house
And consume it, with its timber and stones.”
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NT 2 verses:
Luk 9:
54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said,
“Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”55 But He turned and rebuked them,[fn] and said,
“You do not know what manner of spirit you are of
56 “For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.
2Th 2:8
And then the lawless one will be revealed,
whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
occurs 41 times in 39 verses in the NKJV.
1st verse used:
Exo 32:10
“Now therefore, let Me alone, that My wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them. And I will make of you a great nation.”
Jer 8:13
“I will surely consume them,” says the LORD.
“No grapes shall be on the vine, Nor figs on the fig tree,
And the leaf shall fade; And the things I have given them shall pass away from them.” ' ”
Jer 14:12
“When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and grain offering, I will not accept them.
But I will consume them by the sword, by the famine, and by the pestilence.”
Jer 49:27
“I will kindle a fire in the wall of Damascus,
And it shall consume the palaces of Ben-Hadad.”[fn]
Eze 13:13
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: “I will cause a stormy wind to break forth in My fury; and there shall be a flooding rain in My anger, and great hailstones in fury to consume it.
Eze 20:13
“Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them';[fn] and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths.
Then I said I would pour out My fury on them in the wilderness, to consume them.
Eze 35:12
“Then you shall know that I am the LORD. I have heard all your blasphemies which you have spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, ‘They are desolate; they are given to us to consume.'
Dan 2:44
“And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.
Dan 7:26
‘But the court shall be seated, And they shall take away his dominion, To consume and destroy it forever.
Hos 11:6
And the sword shall slash in his cities,
Devour his districts,
And consume them,
Because of their own counsels.
Zep 1:2
“I will utterly consume everything
From the face of the land,”
Says the LORD;
Zep 1:3
“I will consume man and beast;
I will consume the birds of the heavens,The fish of the sea,
And the stumbling blocks[fn] along with the wicked.
I will cut off man from the face of the land,” Says the LORD.
Tools
Zec 5:4
“I will send out the curse,” says the LORD of hosts;
“It shall enter the house of the thief
And the house of the one who swears falsely by My name.
It shall remain in the midst of his house
And consume it, with its timber and stones.”
==============================
NT 2 verses:
Luk 9:
54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said,
“Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”55 But He turned and rebuked them,[fn] and said,
“You do not know what manner of spirit you are of
56 “For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.” And they went to another village.
2Th 2:8
And then the lawless one will be revealed,
whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
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How do others view these verses...........
Matthew 12:41
`Men Ninevites shall be resurrecting/standing up<ana-sthsontai <450> (5698) in the judging<2920> with this generation and shall be condemning<2632> it,
that they reform into the proclamation of Jonah and behold! more of Jonah here.
Luke 11:32
'Men of Nineveh shall be resurrecting/standing-up<ana-sthsontai <450> (5698) in the judging with this generation and shall be condemning it,
because they reformed<3340> at the proclamation<2782> of Jonah; and behold! greater/more<4119> of Jonah here!
450. anistemi from 303 and 2476;
to stand up (literal or figurative, transitive or intransitive):--arise, lift up, raise up (again), rise (again), stand up(-right).
303. ana a primary preposition and adverb;
properly, up; but (by extension) used (distributively) severally, or (locally) at (etc.)
2476. histemi a prolonged form of a primary stao stah'-o (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses);
to stand (transitively or intransitively),
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Matthew 12:42
`A Queen of the south shall be being roused/egerqhsetai<1453> (5701) in the judging<2920> with this generation and shall be condemning it.
That she came out of the ends of the land to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, more of Solomon here!
Luke 11:31
'A queen of the south shall be being roused/egerqhsetai<1453> (5701) in the judging with the men of this generation, and shall be condemning them,
because she came from the ends of the land to hear the wisdom of Solomon and behold! greater/more than Solomon here!
1453. egeiro probably akin to the base of 58
(through the idea of collecting one's faculties);
to waken (transitively or intransitively), i.e. rouse (literally, from sleep, from sitting or lying
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"THIS GENERATION" in Bible
Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread
Matthew 24:34
Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one, till ever all these may be becoming.
amhn legw umin ou mh parelqh h genea auth ewV an panta tauta genhtai
Mark 13:30
Amen I am saying to ye not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one unto of which any these all may be becoming
Luke 21:32
“Amen I am saying to ye, not no may be passing-away the generation, this-one, till ever all things may be becoming.
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I have Never claimed a " works gospel".
I have been stating what is in the Bible that this thread denies that not all will be saved.
We must repent & believe with Faith in Jesus is the Christ who paid the ransom for sin.
There is no universal salvation for all, there is no good works that can save , it is only by repenting & believing with Faith in Jesus Christ so the gospel is conditional on the individual's belief and faith in Jesus & being baptized of the Holy Spirit as it is written in the scriptures.
Mark 16:15 "15 And HE said unto them, " Go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.…
Ephesians 2:8 "8 For it is By grace you have been saved through FAITH, and this is not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.…"
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