Same topic as another thread on another forum. Since the topic is Paul and an odd portrayal of the bible stemming from one use of a single word concept ... (so tempting to say typical Pauline.
2 Thess 2:13, which translation?
ἀρχή archḗ, ar-khay'; from G756; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank):—beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.
ἀπ᾿ ἀρχῆς ap’ arch", “from the beginning,” used nowhere else by Paul but used often by others.
a. used absolutely, of the beginning ofll things: ἐν ἀρχῇ, John 1:1f (Genesis 1:1); ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς, Matthew 19:4 (with which cf. Xenophon, mem. 1, 4, 5 ὁ ἐξ ἀρχῆς ποιῶν ἀνθρώπους), Matthew 19:8; John 8:44; 1 John 1:1; 1 John 2:13; 1 John 3:8; more fully ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς κτίσεως or κόσμου, Matthew 24:21; Mark 10:6; Mark 13:19; 2 Thessalonians 2:13 (where L [Tr marginal reading WH marginal reading] ἀπαρχήν, which see); 2 Peter 3:4; κατ’ ἀρχάς, Hebrews 1:10 (Psalms 101:26 (Ps. 102:26)).
I’m of the opinion that he(paul) was carrying out what he considered to be the pattern of new beginnings found thru-out the bible. His first-fruit offering was in the pattern of Abel.
Remember all this, O God, and give me credit for it. Nehemiah 13:30-31
Now note the contextual in other passages that contain ἀρχή archḗ, ar-khay'; from G756;
Next is the witness that produces witnesses.
12in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness. 13But we should always thank God for you, brothers who are loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning to be saved by the sanctification of the Spirit and by faith in the truth. 14To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.…
2 Thess 2:13, which translation?
ἀρχή archḗ, ar-khay'; from G756; (properly abstract) a commencement, or (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank):—beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule.
ἀπ᾿ ἀρχῆς ap’ arch", “from the beginning,” used nowhere else by Paul but used often by others.
a. used absolutely, of the beginning ofll things: ἐν ἀρχῇ, John 1:1f (Genesis 1:1); ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς, Matthew 19:4 (with which cf. Xenophon, mem. 1, 4, 5 ὁ ἐξ ἀρχῆς ποιῶν ἀνθρώπους), Matthew 19:8; John 8:44; 1 John 1:1; 1 John 2:13; 1 John 3:8; more fully ἀπ’ ἀρχῆς κτίσεως or κόσμου, Matthew 24:21; Mark 10:6; Mark 13:19; 2 Thessalonians 2:13 (where L [Tr marginal reading WH marginal reading] ἀπαρχήν, which see); 2 Peter 3:4; κατ’ ἀρχάς, Hebrews 1:10 (Psalms 101:26 (Ps. 102:26)).
Maybe the deluded ones were all those that Paul tried to evangelize before but didn’t ’stick’ as adherents but instead polluted the waters according to 10-13
2 Thes 2:10b-12 They will perish because they did not welcome and love the truth so as to be saved. 11 And so God sends the power of error to work in them so that they believe what is false. 12 The result is that all who have not believed the truth, but have taken pleasure in sin, will be condemned.
I’m of the opinion that he(paul) was carrying out what he considered to be the pattern of new beginnings found thru-out the bible. His first-fruit offering was in the pattern of Abel.
Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent
sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony
that he was righteous, God testifying to his gifts
According to Numbers 18:17, the firstling of a cow or sheep,
a type of Christ, could not be eaten by the Israelites; it
had to be offered to God. Hence, in typology, Abel offered
Christ to God. We need the blood of Christ to cleanse us and
we need Christ Himself to cover us that we may be accepted by
God and that we may satisfy Him.
Proverbs 3:9-10
Honour the Lord by making him an offering from the best of all that your land produces. If you do, your barns will be filled with grain, and you will have too much wine to store it all.
I can almost hear Paul saying “ I purified the people from everything foreign; I prepared regulations for the priests and the Levites so that all of them would know their duties; 31 I arranged for the wood used for burning the offerings to be brought at the proper times, and for the people to bring their offerings of the first grain and the first fruits that ripened. sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony
that he was righteous, God testifying to his gifts
According to Numbers 18:17, the firstling of a cow or sheep,
a type of Christ, could not be eaten by the Israelites; it
had to be offered to God. Hence, in typology, Abel offered
Christ to God. We need the blood of Christ to cleanse us and
we need Christ Himself to cover us that we may be accepted by
God and that we may satisfy Him.
Proverbs 3:9-10
Honour the Lord by making him an offering from the best of all that your land produces. If you do, your barns will be filled with grain, and you will have too much wine to store it all.
Remember all this, O God, and give me credit for it. Nehemiah 13:30-31
Now note the contextual in other passages that contain ἀρχή archḗ, ar-khay'; from G756;
~ 1 John 1:1-7
The Word of Life
1 We write to you about the Word of life, which has existed from the very beginning. We have heard it, and we have seen it with our eyes; yes, we have seen it, and our hands have touched it. 2 When this life became visible, we saw it; so we speak of it and tell you about the eternal life which was with the Father and was made known to us. 3 What we have seen and heard we announce to you also, so that you will join with us in the fellowship that we have with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 We write this in order that our joy may be complete.
God Is Light
5 Now the message that we have heard from his Son and announce is this: God is light, and there is no darkness at all in him. 6 If, then, we say that we have fellowship with him, yet at the same time live in the darkness, we are lying both in our words and in our actions. 7 But if we live in the light—just as he is in the light—then we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from every sin.
~1 John 2:24-28
24 Be sure, then, to keep in your hearts the message you heard from the beginning. If you keep that message, then you will always live in union with the Son and the Father. 25 And this is what Christ himself promised to give us—eternal life.
26 I am writing this to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But as for you, Christ has poured out his Spirit on you. As long as his Spirit remains in you, you do not need anyone to teach you. For his Spirit teaches you about everything, and what he teaches is true, not false. Obey the Spirit's teaching, then, and remain in union with Christ.
28 Yes, my children, remain in union with him, so that when he appears we may be full of courage and need not hide in shame from him on the Day he comes.
~Matthew 19:4
4 Jesus answered, “Haven't you read the scripture that says that in the beginning the Creator made people male and female?
~John 15:26-27
26 “The Helper will come—the Spirit, who reveals the truth about God and who comes from the Father. I will send him to you from the Father, and he will speak about me. 27 And you, too, will speak about me, because you have been with me from the very beginning.
The Father is the source from with the Spirit comes.The Word of Life
1 We write to you about the Word of life, which has existed from the very beginning. We have heard it, and we have seen it with our eyes; yes, we have seen it, and our hands have touched it. 2 When this life became visible, we saw it; so we speak of it and tell you about the eternal life which was with the Father and was made known to us. 3 What we have seen and heard we announce to you also, so that you will join with us in the fellowship that we have with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. 4 We write this in order that our joy may be complete.
God Is Light
5 Now the message that we have heard from his Son and announce is this: God is light, and there is no darkness at all in him. 6 If, then, we say that we have fellowship with him, yet at the same time live in the darkness, we are lying both in our words and in our actions. 7 But if we live in the light—just as he is in the light—then we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from every sin.
~1 John 2:24-28
24 Be sure, then, to keep in your hearts the message you heard from the beginning. If you keep that message, then you will always live in union with the Son and the Father. 25 And this is what Christ himself promised to give us—eternal life.
26 I am writing this to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27 But as for you, Christ has poured out his Spirit on you. As long as his Spirit remains in you, you do not need anyone to teach you. For his Spirit teaches you about everything, and what he teaches is true, not false. Obey the Spirit's teaching, then, and remain in union with Christ.
28 Yes, my children, remain in union with him, so that when he appears we may be full of courage and need not hide in shame from him on the Day he comes.
~Matthew 19:4
4 Jesus answered, “Haven't you read the scripture that says that in the beginning the Creator made people male and female?
~John 15:26-27
26 “The Helper will come—the Spirit, who reveals the truth about God and who comes from the Father. I will send him to you from the Father, and he will speak about me. 27 And you, too, will speak about me, because you have been with me from the very beginning.
Next is the witness that produces witnesses.
John 19:35
(35 The one who saw this happen has spoken of it, so that you also may believe. What he said is true, and he knows that he speaks the truth.)
John 21:24
24 He is the disciple who spoke of these things, the one who also wrote them down; and we know that what he said is true.
Acts 1:8 8 But when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, you will be filled with power, and you will be witnesses for Me in Jerusalem, in all of Judea and Samaria, and to the Ends of the Earth.”
These verses imply the reliance on the person's witness (in this case the disciple John) until the Holy Spirit speaks directly for one's own Spirit on human spirit producing further witnessing. The witness is Godward, to others, and a testimony against satan.(35 The one who saw this happen has spoken of it, so that you also may believe. What he said is true, and he knows that he speaks the truth.)
John 21:24
24 He is the disciple who spoke of these things, the one who also wrote them down; and we know that what he said is true.
Acts 1:8 8 But when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, you will be filled with power, and you will be witnesses for Me in Jerusalem, in all of Judea and Samaria, and to the Ends of the Earth.”
1 John 2:24
Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. G746 If that which ye have heard from the beginning G746 shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
Stand FirmLet that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. G746 If that which ye have heard from the beginning G746 shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
12in order that judgment will come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness. 13But we should always thank God for you, brothers who are loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning to be saved by the sanctification of the Spirit and by faith in the truth. 14To this He called you through our gospel, so that you may share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.…
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