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proof of point would be, show us a single verse in the Torah were it says gentiles are unclean?
Steve
Just a selection ...
Lev. 5:3 Or when you touch human uncleanness
Lev. 7:21 When any one of you touches any unclean thinghuman uncleanness
Lev. 10:10 You are to distinguish between the holy and the common, and between the unclean and the clean
Num. 19:20 Any who are unclean but do not purify themselves
Num. 19:22 Whatever the unclean person touches shall be unclean, and anyone who touches it shall be unclean until evening.
The whole object of the purity laws was to separate Israel from anyone 'unclean'. Clearly only Jews could follow the complicated, convoluted and intricate purity laws which through practice would exclude anyone not following such laws, which would by necessity include everyone other than a Jew.
Exactly.
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Lev. 5:3 - or if they touch human uncleannessanything that would make them uncleaneven though they are unaware of it, but then they learn of it and realize their guilt... nothing here to do with gentiles being unclean, it's discussing issues such as niddah and faeces.
Lev.7v21 - Anyone who touches something uncleanwhether human uncleanness or an unclean animal or any unclean creature that moves along the groundhand then eats any of the meat of the fellowship offering belonging to the LORD must be cut off from their people. ... context is the korban, again there is nothing in this verse to indicate gentiles are unclean, it's simply discussing tamei and tahor.
Lev.10v10 - so that you can distinguish between the holy and the common, between the unclean and the clean... once more this verse is nothing to do with gentiles being unclean, it is to do with the kohanim being sober minded to carry out the duties properly within the mishkan.
Num. 19v20 - But if those who are unclean do not purify themselves, they must be cut off from the comcommunity, because they have defiled the sanctuary of the LORD. The water of cleansing has not been sprinkled on them, and they are unclean.... this passage is clearly discussing sprinkling with water for purification, however, again there is nothing in the verse to show that gentiles are innately unclean creatures.
Num.19v22 - Anything that an unclean person touches becomes unclean, and anyone who touches it becomes unclean till evening.... this is discussing the property of transferance of tamei status. Nothing in the verse about gentiles being unclean.
Now as to only Jews being able to follow the complicated purity laws, nothing could be further from the truth. The apostolic writing clearly show the existance of theophobos (God fearers). Extant writings from the period clearly indicate the status of God-fearers within the Torah system. In essence they were almost proselytes but not quite. They lived Torah observant lifestyles, participated in the synagoue system and were essentially living as Jews but had not yet the process of 'works of law', 'circumcision'. The ritual of conversion to Judaism. They were in no man's land. Roman law allowed for only two religious groupings in the region, those being Roman deities (including emperor workship) and what was known as a collegia. A collegia being a validly permitted religious persuasion. In this instance Judaism.
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