Benny Hinn (might surprise you)

PROPHECYKID said:

So he corrects one of the many false doctrines he preaches and all of a sudden he is not false?

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I wonder if he there is pressure because of his nephew a few yrs ago distancing himself from Hinn & his Prosperity gospel. Hinn's change could be an attempt to improve his PR.
https://pjmedia.com/faith/2017/09/22/benny-hinns-nephew-renounces-prosperity-gospel/

Pedra said:

I wonder if he there is pressure because of his nephew a few yrs ago distancing himself from Hinn & his Prosperity gospel. Hinn's change could be an attempt to improve his PR.
Benny Hinn's Nephew Renounces the Prosperity Gospel

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Honestly that is what I believe this stuff is about. Its not genuine at all. Hinn himself was under major investigation some years ago and since then he took a bit of a back seat. So hearing this now just seems like a way to improve his standings with the masses.

Bible Highlighter said:

There was never one complete record that will suit the criteria for documented miracle healing… and that troubled me deeply. To me, this was fraud and deception being put across the people that are donors.

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Ugh I didn't think I was going to actually have to speak up on behalf of Hinn (Who I believe has been grossly irresponsible and even negligent many times in his ministry).

In my distant past, I've known a few people who claimed to be healed by his ministry. The best case there was the wife of an Episcopal priest of my hometown and home church. Anyway this woman had some kind of documented serious illness. It was closely monitored and disappeared after one attending one of the Hinn Crusades. Much of what your claiming here comes purely from issues of identity theft. Hinn has some personal testimonies of people in a binder with sometimes there medical hospital reports but so much of the info is blacked out that they are practically worthless to everyone except a true believer who is already going to give them the benefit of the doubt. About the only way out of this problem is trying to use a sworn affidavit, but unfortunately exactness, forethought and thoroughness are not qualities that Hinn and this subculture has (generally speaking).

PROPHECYKID said:

Honestly that is what I believe this stuff is about. Its not genuine at all. Hinn himself was under major investigation some years ago and since then he took a bit of a back seat. So hearing this now just seems like a way to improve his standings with the masses.

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I know what you mean, it's hard not to be skeptical because he's made 60 million from selling the Prosperity gospel and other "shananigans" he's known for. I'd be more inclined if he'd willingly downsize his lifestyle and give the majority of this vast fortune he made in his Celebrity by putting it where it can do some good actually planting churches.

topher694 said:

Nope. Not even close:
This is the context. All before your comment and consistent with my response to you. You can try to make it into something it's not, but be careful or you may be labeled a false teacher!

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I do not care go ahead , if you want to label me that reflects on you not me.
As I said .......Hinn's does not resemble any preacher in my world!

Pavel Mosko said:

Ugh I didn't think I was going to actually have to speak up on behalf of Hinn (Who I believe has been grossly irresponsible and even negligent many times in his ministry).

In my distant past, I've known a few people who claimed to be healed by his ministry. The best case there was the wife of an Episcopal priest of my hometown and home church. Anyway this woman had some kind of documented serious illness. It was closely monitored and disappeared after one attending one of the Hinn Crusades. Much of what your claiming here comes purely from issues of identity theft. Hinn has some personal testimonies of people in a binder with sometimes there medical hospital reports but so much of the info is blacked out that they are practically worthless to everyone except a true believer who is already going to give them the benefit of the doubt. About the only way out of this problem is trying to use a sworn affidavit, but unfortunately exactness, forethought and thoroughness are not qualities that Hinn and this subculture has (generally speaking).

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I hear you will not wanting to speak up on behalf of Hinn, I just believe that even With that testimony of the wife of the Episcopal priest or any other testimonies ....imo, their healing, does not necessarily have anything to do with Hinn or his crusades & doesn't mean God's working through Hinn, --could be GOD is working because of the sincere faith of the person --inspite of Hinn...

PROPHECYKID said:

Honestly that is what I believe this stuff is about. Its not genuine at all. Hinn himself was under major investigation some years ago and since then he took a bit of a back seat. So hearing this now just seems like a way to improve his standings with the masses.

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That actually crossed my mind too.

Andrewn said:

Joel Ostend's net worth is $40 million. Benny Hinn's net worth is $60 million. They're paupers compared to Kenneth Copeland whose net worth is $300 million!!!

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Something that I’ve considered but I don’t know if it’s true for what should become obvious reasons. It’s very hard for me if not impossible to think that any of these men sincerely believe in The Gospel. Of course I don’t know that to be true but some I’ve heard have made me wonder. If they knew what I absolutely know, they would quickly change their ways. I absolutely know the terror of The Lord. I know The Born Again experience. Had these men gone through what I’ve gone through I honestly don’t think they would acquire such worldly wealth. If they had, they would divest themselves of it quickly. Of course I’m not their judge nor do I ever want to be. In truth, I should be praying for them as should we all who are in Christ. At the very least a general prayer for the lost is in order. The apostle Paul had a difficult time in the ministry to the Greeks. He didn’t give up quickly as debate seemed to be their objective. In frustration, Paul comments on it as I recall. First and foremost is my own Christian walk. After my own walk comes the Gospel to the lost. Please pray as you feel led.

topher694 said:

This was my understanding

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Then there's really not much news here.

He'll likely keep and enjoy the wealth of his enterprises and continue to amass more.

Only he'll just use a slightly differently worded formula when raising funds for his houses, jets and cars through the donations of the gullible.

"He is making amends. That's nothing to brag about.

Why did you think someone could brag about it? It never crossed my mind "

You missed the point. If he is doing the right thing, ie, giving to the poor, backing others, etc. We shouldn't hear about it as we are supposed to give quietly without bragging, etc.

topher694 said:

Better late than never.

This right here is why we must be so careful to label people "false" or anything like that, people in the public eye can grow and change just like the rest of us.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=430687547654465

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Absolutely dreadful and disgusting!!! He’s never repented of making millions out of his Genie Spirit Christianity and false healings and employing aggressive bullying security staff in his Healing Shows advertised as Christian Healing etc its simple a New Age counterfeiting of Christianity and clearly he isn’t filled with God The Holy Spirit . It’s a totally false like so many of the things he’s done using Jesus Christ’s name and The Holy Spirit. I’m just surprised he hasn’t been sent to prison for corruption and tax avoidance etc

topher694 said:

Better late than never.

This right here is why we must be so careful to label people "false" or anything like that, people in the public eye can grow and change just like the rest of us.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=430687547654465

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Wow it’s taken him 30 years to decide after all that money his taken to tell everybody that his recently decided that it’s wrong ! How about he gives all that money back with interest approximately $300, 000, 000 back to the poor who his robbed with a false gospel of prosperity!! lol

Pavel Mosko said:

Ugh I didn't think I was going to actually have to speak up on behalf of Hinn (Who I believe has been grossly irresponsible and even negligent many times in his ministry).

In my distant past, I've known a few people who claimed to be healed by his ministry. The best case there was the wife of an Episcopal priest of my hometown and home church. Anyway this woman had some kind of documented serious illness. It was closely monitored and disappeared after one attending one of the Hinn Crusades. Much of what your claiming here comes purely from issues of identity theft. Hinn has some personal testimonies of people in a binder with sometimes there medical hospital reports but so much of the info is blacked out that they are practically worthless to everyone except a true believer who is already going to give them the benefit of the doubt. About the only way out of this problem is trying to use a sworn affidavit, but unfortunately exactness, forethought and thoroughness are not qualities that Hinn and this subculture has (generally speaking).

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Whether such miracles were of God or not, I do not think it had anything to do with Hinn and or his faith. So yeah, you shouldn't defend a man who is in obvious error in many ways in regards to the Scriptures. Paul says we are not to have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but we are to rather reprove them.

topher694 said:

Better late than never.

This right here is why we must be so careful to label people "false" or anything like that, people in the public eye can grow and change just like the rest of us.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=430687547654465

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Has he given all of his money to the poor and sick? If he is/was a fake, his public repentance is necessary for the charade, as self preservation. I don’t know. But as far as I know the guy is still living high on the hog off of his scam.

Mark45 said:

Wow it’s taken him 30 years to decide after all that money his taken to tell everybody that his recently decided that it’s wrong ! How about he gives all that money back with interest approximately $300, 000, 000 back to the poor who his robbed with a false gospel of prosperity!! lol

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This post is for anyone here to answer. I'm just "replying" to yours since it's along toward the end of the last page of the thread. I could have picked and addressed any one of several that said or implied pretty much the same things.

I've pretty much read through the entire thread now and I'll be darned if I can see anywhere (in the video or quoted from some other source) where Benny Hinn says that his wealth or his lifestyle is or has been wrong.

I certainly don't see anywhere that he has renounce the "false gospel of prosperity" or implied that he has "robbed" the poor.

Could you or anyone else involved in this thread show me where he has?

Quite often people hear what they want to hear - particularly when their judgment of the person speaking is clouded by a personal dislike for them or their doctrine.

We see it often when it comes to the Calvinism debate for example and we see it here as well IMO.

I.e. - straw men everywhere.

I seems to me that much of what is being said in this thread is based on an assumption as to what his comments meant concerning the methods used in or the results of his ministry in so far as lifestyle is concerned.

I have never criticized the like of Chuck Swindoll, Hal Linsey , or Charles Stanley for the wealth acquired as the fruits of their labors. So long as Christian teachers and Christian music artists are careful to keep their various accounts separate and not conflate any donations with royalties, speaking fees, or performing fees - you will never find a word of criticism from me about their lifestyle.

The affairs of many "tele evangelists" are well know to have been so mingled and are thus IMO fair game for criticism.

Only - when we criticize their affairs or words we need to be sure that we are doing so fairly and that we are not simply kicking straw men around in the name of legitimate criticism.

There is IMO plenty to legitimately criticize about Hinn and his activities and words - I just want it to not be based on assumptions about him or what he has said.

It doesn't seem to me that Hinn has renounced the basic giving and receiving principles embodied in the so called "prosperity gospel" - only certain specific words and methods used which are supposedly based on those principles.

Hence my previous post.