"peace and safety" and the red horse

Douggg said:

Dave, I think I would look at Hebrews 11.

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Christ is Lord said:

Of course I am not Jesus. However, you're using the logic that if someone reads prophecy and comes up with an interpretation that they believe God is showing them then it's false prophecy because for example the Bible doesn't explicitly say "European union".

Using that logic if I were in the room when Jesus gave that interpretation I could have said It was false because again "scripture doesn't explicitly say so".

Who are we to call it a false prophecy just because the Bible doesn't explicitly say so? Don't you think to wait until time passes and then judge it by it's fruits?

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Douggg said:

In 1Thessalonians5, Paul introduces the concept of saying peace and safety before the Day of the Lord begins, unexpectedly

In 2Thessalonians2, Paul clarifies that the Day of the Lord (called the day of Christ) is also preceded by two other things. The falling away first and then the revealing of the man of sin, the son of perdition.

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

The falling away (implied to be falling away from believing that Jesus is the messiah) will be many in Christianity will turn away from Jesus and believe that the Antichrist is the "real messiah". If you talk to Jews (Judaism), that's how they refer to the person, because they reject Jesus, the person forthcoming
as the "real messiah".

When the Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, showing that he is God - actually what is implied is that he is showing that he has achieved God-hood. Where do I get that?

From Ezekiel 28:1-10, which is about God having the person killed for the act of sitting in what metaphorically is the seat of God. The passage indicates that the person has magnified himself in his
heart (going back to Daniel 8:25) to think that he is "a" god, and claims to be God at the same time.

I am going by the KJV.

Ezekiel 28:2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

Now reflect back on Daniel 8:25. This is how you can tie the verses together. And see what is going to happen.

Daniel 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.


So once the person claims to have achieved God-hood, it angers God, Who in Ezekiel 28:1-10 has the person killed, by strangers, who slay him, which I connect as peace is taken from the earth, when the person triggers the Day of the Lord, with his act.

6 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast set thine heart as the heart of God;

7 Behold, therefore I will bring strangers upon thee, the terrible of the nations: and they shall draw their swords against the beauty of thy wisdom, and they shall defile thy brightness.*

8 They shall bring thee down to the pit, and thou shalt die the deaths of them that are slain in the midst of the seas.

9 Wilt thou yet say before him that slayeth thee, I am God? but thou shalt be a man, and no God, in the hand of him that slayeth thee.

So it is God who has him killed.

*Prior to the person going off on the deep end and claiming to be God, the Jews and the world will be thinking he is the "real messiah".

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Dave L said:

Is it lying to say what scripture does not say? And then say scripture says so?

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Pedra said: ↑
So, by your standard for eg. then those who claim replacement theology are false prophets ---Ok.

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Dave L said:

Replacement theology is false prophecy.

Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

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Tree of Life said:

The term "replacement theology" is not helpful because:

1. It is uncharitable. It does not seek to listen to or understand covenant theology, but rather to dismiss it without giving it a proper hearing.
2. It is pejorative. It's meant to cause harm by making our views seem ridiculous and not worthy of consideration.
3. It is not accurate. No one would assume this label for themselves because no one believes that the church has "replaced" Israel. When this label is used, what comes across is that our views have not really been understood and the person that we're communicating with does not care to take the time to understand our views.

So please stop using the term "replacement theology". Thanks!

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Dave L said:

Faith comes from hearing the word, not speculating on it.

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Christ is Lord said:

What definition of faith?

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DamianWarS said:

what about that which speaks of things to come? not all of it is speculation. There is a space that occupies Faith from the word of things to come and this is still truth.

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Pedra said:

So....calling people liars because you disagree with them is also jumping making a rash accusation. Some things some might disagree, and some might believe in heresies , but it doesn't necessarily mean people are liars. To lie or to deceive is to purposely mislead.

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Douggg said:

The daily sacrifice is begun again, then at a certain time the person commits the transgression of desolation by sitting then temple, then the person is killed, then the person is brought back to life as the beast, then the image of the beast is made and placed in the temple as the abomination of desolation, then the Jews flee to the mountains, then the two witnesses are killed, then the two witnesses are brought back to life and ascend to heaven, then the 7th trumpet sounds, then the war in the second heaven as God begins dismantling Satan's kingdom of Mystery Babylon the Great, then Satan is cast down to earth having a time, times, half time left, cast down to earth then Satan incarnates the statue image of the beast which was placed in the temple, then everyone is required to worship the image or be killed, then the Great Tribulation continues, until Jesus returns to end it, and cleanses the temple.

Jesus will cleanse the temple of...

1. the beast sitting in the temple - the beast and the false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire.

2. the statue image of the beast - turned to ashes, Ezekiel 28:16-19, exposing Satan.

3. Satan - bound in chains and cast into the bottomless pit.

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Satan incarnates the statue image of the beast which was placed in the temple,

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then at a certain time the person commits the transgression of desolation by sitting then temple, then the person is killed, then the person is brought back to life as...

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then Satan is cast down to earth having a time, times, half time left, cast down to earth

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Dave L said:

In only eleven out of the ninety four cases are the fulfillments exactly as the writer described or foresaw.

Robert Whitelaw. (n.d.). THE GOSPEL MILLENNIUM and Obedience to Scripture.

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DamianWarS said:

I'm confused, unfufilled biblical prophecy is only truth then it is fulfilled?

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Pedra said:

Where in the world do you get your stats??

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Dave L said:

The stats come from Robert Whitelaw loosely quoted from "The gospel millennium and obedience to scripture". It has an extensive breakdown of the prophecies and how each was fulfilled.

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