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What Exactly Was Accomplished At The Cross?

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Ah, now we're getting somewhere.

But He did die for all mankind. In fact, He died for the whole universe.

Think about it.

Why didn't Eve fall over dead as soon as she disobeyed God?
Why are people who are never going to respond to God's grace allowed to go on living and sinning?
Why didn't Lucifer die the moment he had his 1st selfish thought?

Is salvation for human beings the only thing Calvary purchased?
When the judgment is over, and Eden is restored, with the New Jerusalem resting on earth, what will prevent rebellion from rising the 2nd time? Abracadabra?
Perfect angelic sinless nature failed in Heaven.
Perfect sinless human nature failed in Eden.
Think, think.


Calvary is the eternal antidote for sin.

Yes, the atonement freed the universe from the consequences of the fall; although because animals, plants, rocks, planets and stars are not created in God's image, they don't need to technically be "atoned for". They do need to be "delivered from" though.

This also goes for sentient entities created by God who aren't human. This would be of a certain type Scripture refers to as "angels"; acknowledging though that there is more than one form of "angel". Disembodied saints are also at times called "angels". The word "angel" simply means "messenger" and is also translated as "messenger". Sometimes it's clear from the textual context that the "messenger" is a living human. I.E. - David sent a messenger to Saul.

Interestingly though, angels who had not transgressed personally still needed to be delivered from the consequence of the fall, just as the rest of creation does. This would also apply to any extra-terrestrial life that probably exists, not created in God's image either.

Is there extra-terrestrial life that exists that's created in God's image which would be akin to humanity? That possibility poses a whole other thread of theological questions and complications to reconcile. There are three possibilities here. Either other entities transported humans some place else, who in turn populated more than one planet. It is also theoretically possible that the 2nd Person of the Trinity was incarnated on more than one planet simultaneously; or God created other races of humanoid "life" who never sinned.

Now did any of these scenarios really happen? It's unlikely we'll ever know this side of eternity, because our Scriptures give us very little information about those types of hypotheticals. The only thing I've ever found in Scripture is a vague reference to the "worlds" (plural) God created and the "world" (singular) He redeemed.

Now as far as angels who transgressed. They are not created in God's image and therefore are not part of the redemption plan. Yet because they are eternally condemned (when animals, plants and other possible life forms aren't); this raises the question of whether these types of angels are actually "life forms"? We know they are created entities, but are obviously not "carbon based". They are often described as being some form of created spirit entity (what ever that constitutes). Yet because they have not bodies as all known carbon based life has; are they actually "life" forms? In order to be covered under atonement; an entity has to be defined as "life" by God. Could life have been created that is other than carbon based? That's a possibility too.

Now of course this raises another theological issue in relation to the atonement in regards to humans. We know from what Scripture tells us that there are humans who end up under God's wrath. So if being freed from sin, or the consequence of the fall is predicated upon being atoned for; it's a valid question to ask whether these condemned humans were actually atoned for?

The logical answer is; if they were atoned for, they would not be lost.

Yet that is not the answer most humans want to hear! Most humans want to hear that everyone is atoned for and it's their choice if they "accept" or "reject" that atonement. They miss the fact that Scripture states that none ever would "accept"; (besides the fact that Scripture never tells us to "accept" Christ. It tells us to repent and believe.)

The totality of the fall was so devastating upon the human will; that it made none of humanity willing. Those who are willing are willing because God has made them spiritually alive again. God chose those He'd make alive again, based solely upon His own sovereign prerogative and He made that choice from "the foundation of the world". (I.E. before He created anything.) None of anyone who becomes redeemed deserves that mercy.

Scripture also says that Jesus was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. So not only were those who become redeemed chosen outside of time, they were also atoned for outside of time; even though the atonement took place inside of time. Now the fact that the atonement took place both inside as well as outside of time is why Adam and Eve didn't drop over dead as soon as they ate the fruit.

Next question: how are those who are condemned held accountable for their sin?

They are accountable because they have two to three witnesses before them.
1. They were created with a conscience. They intuitively know the difference between right and wrong. At times they make choices to not do wrong.
2. They have the creation that witnesses to them both of God's wrath as well as redemption.
(These two witnesses hold enough information to awaken any who are atoned for.)
3. Some of us have the written revelation of Scripture.

Scripture is the 3rd witness. That is the witness that explains to us in plain human language what the atonement was and how it happened. Obviously Scripture gives us the name and description of Who atoned; as well as explaining to us how it happened and why it was necessary.

Now Scripture tells us the wages of sin is death. Wages are something earned. Wages are earned based on work done. Those who "worked" for a greater condemnation will receive a greater condemnation. Those who willfully rejected the witnesses given them (and all humanity does that) yet maintained some form of morality earned fewer stripes: as Jesus describes it. Luke 12:46-48
 
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I'm hoping to see some responses of more than one, brief statement or sentence.
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Isaiah 53:1. Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?2. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.3. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.4. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.5. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.6. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.7. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.8. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.9. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.10. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.11. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.12. Isaiah 53:12. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”
 
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Through Jesus, God showed us how much he loves us. He also taught us what real love is.

In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16 And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
 
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I'm hoping to see some responses of more than one, brief statement or sentence.
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In Lev 16 God portrays the Gospel atonement doctrine and there we see that the "sin offering" (the cross) and the high priest's ministry that follows (Christ's ministry in heaven as our high priest - Hebrews 8) are both required for the Gospel definition of atonement to be met.

AT the cross we have the full and complete sin offering "for our sins and not for our sins only but for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2 - the payment made full and complete.

But the sinner must come to Christ as Hebrews 9 points out to avail himself of that paid debt.
 
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What Was Secured by the Death of Christ
By Mrs. E. G. White


It became Him for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in the redemption of the world to save sinners by the blood of the Lamb. The great sacrifice of the Son of God was neither too great nor too small to accomplish the work. In the wisdom of God it was complete; and the atonement made testifies to every son and daughter of Adam the immutability of God's law. The value of the law of Jehovah is to be estimated by the immense price that was paid in the death of the Son of God to maintain its sacredness.


The law of God is a transcript of His character; it portrays the nature of God. As in Christ we behold the brightness of His glory, the express image of His person, so also in the law the attributes of the Father are unfolded. Although the law is unchangeable, His having provided a means of salvation for the law-breaker does not in the least detract from the dignity of the character of God, since the penalty of man's transgression was borne by a divine Substitute. The Father Himself suffered with the Son; for "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." Man, with his human, finite judgment, cannot safely question the wisdom of God. Hence it is unbecoming for him to criticize the plan of salvation. Before the theme of redemption, let man lay his wisdom in the dust, and accept the plans of Him whose wisdom is infinite.

God grants men a probation in this world, that their principles may become firmly established in the right, thus precluding the possibility of sin in the future life, and so assuring the happiness and security of all. Through the atonement of the Son of God alone could power be given to man to establish him in righteousness, and make him a fit subject for heaven. The blood of Christ is the eternal antidote for sin. The offensive character of sin is seen in what it cost the Son of God in humiliation, in suffering and death. All the worlds behold in Him a living testimony to the malignity of sin, for in His divine form He bears the marks of the curse. He is in the midst of the throne as a Lamb that hath been slain. The redeemed will ever be vividly impressed with the hateful character of sin, as they behold Him who died for their transgressions. The preciousness of the Offering will be more fully realized as the blood-washed throng more fully comprehend how God has made a new and living way for the salvation of men, through the union of the human and the divine in Christ.

The death of Christ upon the cross made sure the destruction of him who has the power of death, who was the originator of sin. When Satan is destroyed, there will be none to tempt to evil; the atonement will never need to be repeated; and there will be no danger of another rebellion in the universe of God. That which alone can effectually restrain from sin in this world of darkness, will prevent sin in heaven. The significance of the death of Christ will be seen by saints and angels. Fallen men could not have a home in the paradise of God without the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Shall we not then exalt the cross of Christ? The angels ascribe honor and glory to Christ, for even they are not secure except by looking to the sufferings of the Son of God. It is through the efficacy of the cross that the angels of heaven are guarded from apostasy. Without the cross they would be no more secure against evil than were the angels before the fall of Satan. Angelic perfection failed in heaven. Human perfection failed in Eden, the paradise of bliss. All who wish for security in earth or heaven must look to the Lamb of God. The plan of salvation, making manifest the justice and love of God, provides an eternal safeguard against defection in unfallen worlds, as well as among those who shall be redeemed by the blood of the Lamb. Our only hope is perfect trust in the blood of Him who can save to the uttermost all that come unto God by Him. The death of Christ on the cross of Calvary is our only hope in this world, and it will be our theme in the world to come.

Oh, we do not comprehend the value of the atonement! If we did, we would talk more about it. The gift of God in His beloved Son was the expression of an incomprehensible love. It was the utmost that God could do to preserve the honor of His law, and still save the transgressor. Why should man not study the theme of redemption? It is the greatest subject that can engage the human mind. If men would contemplate the love of Christ, displayed in the cross, their faith would be strengthened to appropriate the merits of His shed blood, and they would be cleansed and saved from sin. There are many who will be lost, because they depend on legal religion, or mere repentance for sin. But repentance for sin alone cannot work the salvation of any soul. Man cannot be saved by his own works. Without Christ it is impossible for him to render perfect obedience to the law of God; and heaven can never be gained by an imperfect obedience; for this would place all heaven in jeopardy, and make possible a second rebellion.

God saves man through the blood of Christ alone, and man's belief in, and allegiance to, Christ is salvation. It is no marvel to angels that the infinite sacrifice made by the Son of God was ample enough to bring salvation to a fallen race, but that this atoning sacrifice should have been made is a wonder to the universe. It is a mystery which angels desire to look into. The angels are amazed at the indifference and coldness manifested by those for whom so great a salvation has been provided. They look with grief and holy indignation upon those who do not seek to appreciate the unspeakable gift of God. Instead of offering adoration to God, finite men think themselves capable, without divine unction, of determining what is worthy of praise or blame in their fellow-men. But to be glorified by man is no glory. We should learn to value the praise of man at what it is worth.

The Lord says, "Them that honor me I will honor." Let every breath of praise, every word of exaltation, flow to Him who is worthy, flow to Jesus, the Prince of life, the Lamb of God that taketh away the sin of the world. Elevate the cross of Christ. Elevate the Mediator. Lift up Jesus. In Him is everything noble. Contemplate God in Christ. He is surrounded with angels, cherubim and seraphim continually behold Him. Angelic voices day and night cry before Him: "Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.... Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power; for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honor, and glory, and blessing." "Great and marvelous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy; for all nations shall come and worship before thee." But although God only is holy and worthy to be praised, human tongues are perverted to praise and glorify man rather than God.

The greatest gift that God could bestow upon men was bestowed in the gift of His beloved Son. The apostle says, "He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?" There was nothing held in reserve. No second probation will ever be provided. If the unspeakable gift of God does not lead man to repentance, there is nothing that ever will move his heart. There is no power held in reserve to act upon his mind, and arouse his sensibilities. The whole character of God was revealed in His Son, the whole range of the possibilities of heaven is displayed for the acceptance of man in the Son of the Infinite One. The way for man's return to God and heaven has no barriers. The matchless depths of the Saviour's love have been demonstrated; and if this manifestation of God's love for the children of men does not prevail to draw men to Himself, there is nothing that ever will.

Those who will be saved in the kingdom of God will be those who have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. The image of Christ will be perfected in every soul who accepts the gift of His grace, and those who are perfected through His grace, will stand before God equal in elevation, in power and purity, to the angels, and will be honored with them before the eternal throne. The angels of heaven will love those whom Christ has loved, and has bought with His own precious blood.

The attention of all the inhabitants of all worlds will be directed to the cross of Christ, around which will cluster the exceeding and eternal weight of glory. The imagination becomes exhausted in its stretch to comprehend the wonderful work of redemption. The plan of salvation is too high to be fully reached by human thought. It is too grand to be fully embraced by finite comprehension. The apostle says, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." Can we wonder that Heaven is amazed because men act as though the gift of God were valueless? What will be the eternal loss of those who reject so great a salvation, offered freely through the merits of God's only-begotten and well-beloved Son!

Originally published in The Signs of the Times, December 30, 1889.
 
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