Flat Earth Flight Planning

Shrewd Manager · Aug 31, 2019

Rick Otto said:
They can't give any positive feedback because they don't have any, and negative feedback is all they enjoy. It's totally allowed here which encourages it, and it prevents knowledgeable discussion between interested parties.
Generally they deny evidence is evidence and employ derogations in their dismissives.
They make us all look bad and you'll anger responsible parties by trying to discuss it with them because they deny it exists. It's pretty messed up.

BTW, have you ever run across Aug Tellez on YouTube?

Sorry man your message got lost in the noise!

Good to meet you, thanks for the heads up.

God says we're tested by fire, it is what it is.

Patience is not my long suit, but I have to practise.

It's a real shame that Christians can't accept the Bible. No problem with a literal hellfire bbq, but when it comes to creation, it's just an allegorical poem apparently!

Tom 1 · Aug 31, 2019

Rick Otto said:
Same thing. Hosts of heaven.

Have you ever experienced a situation wherein even if only for a moment, everything had metaphoric value?

I’ve certainly done a lot of figurative imagining in one way or another

. I’m intrigued by the idea of truth via metaphor and metonymy, things that can be true while also elusive.

Rick Otto · Aug 31, 2019

SPF said:
I must not be speaking clearly because you still aren’t addressing what I’m asking.

What I’m asking is very simple - Would you agree that a legitimate video of a 24 hour sun at the pole would be a problem for the FE model?

I would agree, but there isn't any uninterrupted video available to my knowledge. I've seen the one offered in this thread.

Did you come up with a reason why a flight from Taiwan to L.A. with a medical emergency would divert to Alaska instead of Hawaii?
We're ten pages in, I just thought it might be nice to visit the OP topic.

Tom 1 · Aug 31, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Sure, if you believe math is reality, then you're lost in the matrix brother. Dear Father, lift the veil and shine your light of truth into the darkness. Amen.

I’m not sure what you mean - I don’t think that math is reality, but it can be used to describe real things.

Rick Otto · Aug 31, 2019

QUOTE="Tom Farebrother, post: I’ve certainly done a lot of figurative imagining in one way or another .

I'm a put that in the "No" column.

I’m intrigued by the idea of truth via metaphor and metonymy, things that can be true while also elusive.

Me too! Instead of "either / or", think "both / and". Like a quantum state maybe.

A numerologist once told me I was a "double 3". Months later I was in book store with all that stuff in it so I asked the guy at the counter if he had anything about my numerology number, the double 3.
He says rather theatrically, "Ah yes! The Illusive 33!" and he turned around to grab a couple books so I ducked down behind the counter so he couldn't see me when he turned around.
We had a good laugh.

Rick Otto · Aug 31, 2019

Tom Farebrother said:
I’m not sure what you mean - I don’t think that math is reality, but it can be used to describe real things.

It can be used to describe things imagined to be real as well.

A_Thinker · Aug 31, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Sure thing, whatever you say. I've seen some of the sad attempts to discredit them, you're out of your depth. Just another one here:

Previous debunkings ...

Flat Earth, NASA, NWO, Moon Landings and More . . .

Flat Earth, NASA, NWO, Moon Landings and More . . .

Just scroll down ...

SPF · Aug 31, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Yes it would take some explaining. However the apparent position of the sun is at best only indirect proof, the globe model admits as much when it talks about actual and apparent position especially at sunset. There's a lot of atmospherics, plus the edge of the firmament is around there, possibly creating various optical effects. Give me solid terrestrial point to point proof, know what I mean?

You’re right, it would take some explaining. And as nobody has been able to discredit the second video, I’m still waiting for that explaining.

But on top of all the evidence that disproves the FE theory (and has for hundreds of years), I still haven’t heard a good explanation on why this big lie even exists in the first place. The number of people in on the lie at this point is so tremendous that it’s become nonsensical and ridiculous.

This is the question that can never be answered.

Elon Musk certainly knows the earth is flat if it indeed is flat. So what is his motivation for growing, developing, and continuing this massive conspiracy? Money? Is the answer always money? Is he demon possessed?

What about the Mythbusters. They flew up in a U2 spy plane to 70,000 feet. They showed video of the curvature. They commented on the curvature. If the world is flat, they know it because they saw it, and then they lied about it. What is their motivation to perpetuate the lie?

Top Gear, the most popular car show in the world had an episode where they sent James May up in a U2 Spy plane. They showed video of it, you saw the curvature - he commented on the curvature. Clearly, if the earth is flat, James May from Top Gear is now in on the lie. Why? What would he perpetuate the lie?

RedBull is in on the lie too. Felix Baumgartner jumped from 128,000 feet up. We all saw the video. You can see the curvature. Yes, I know it has to be a fish-eye lens because 100% of all video showing a curvature is a fish-eye lens. But he's in on the lie, so is RedBull and the people who insisted on using a fish-eye lens (they actually didn't use a fish-eye, but there's no convincing FE conspiracy theorists otherwise).

Below is a list of countries that have claimed to have launched satellites into space. For the FE conspiracy to be true, every single one of these countries has to be in on the lie. Can someone explain why they would all agree to work together to perpetuate the lie? Is there some circle of leaders that all these countries answer to?

Why would Iran perpetuate the lie? As a dominantly Muslim country, news like this would actually be good for them. I think they could use it to help spread Islam for sure. Why are they cooperating with us on the lie?

Russia
United States
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Germany
Canada
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South Korea
Spain
Australia
Brazil
Argentina
Israel
Indonesia
Turkey
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Mexico
Sweden
Singapore
Netherlands
Czechoslovakia
Bulgaria
Luxembourg
Pakistan
Portugal
Thailand
Czech Republic
Ukraine
Malaysia
Norway
Philippines
Egypt
Chile
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South Africa
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Tonga[33]
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Mauritius
Vietnam
Venezuela
Switzerland
Isle of Man
Poland[35]
Hungary
Sri Lanka
Romania
Belarus
North Korea
Azerbaijan
Austria
Bermuda[41]
Ecuador
Estonia
Jersey
Qatar
Peru
Bolivia
Lithuania
Uruguay
Iraq
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Laos
Finland
Bangladesh
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Jordan
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Tom 1 · Aug 31, 2019

Rick Otto said:
It can be used to describe things imagined to be real as well.

Most of what goes on inside anyone’s head is imaginary. That doesn’t mean that things people design and build using mathematical and other principles aren’t real. People had notions about the steam engine similar to those FE-ers now have about other machinery.

Prodigal Son returns · Aug 31, 2019

A flight from Shanghi to New York takes about 14 hours and is about 13,800km.
A flight from Melbourne to Santiago, Chile takes about the same time and covers about the same distance.

This line of evidence alone is compelling enough to dismiss flat earth claims.

SPF · Aug 31, 2019

Rick Otto said:
I would agree, but there isn't any uninterrupted video available to my knowledge. I've seen the one offered in this thread.

Please show me where the edit occurs during the time lapse on this video.

SPF · Aug 31, 2019

Rick Otto said:
Did you come up with a reason why a flight from Taiwan to L.A. with a medical emergency would divert to Alaska instead of Hawaii?
We're ten pages in, I just thought it might be nice to visit the OP topic.

I don’t know why the pilot made that decision. Do we know precisely where the plane was when it diverted, and do we know precisely what the weather conditions were? Usually we find weather plays a large role in determining where a plane goes when it’s diverted.

Do you have a response to the below?

Prodigal Son returns said:
A flight from Shanghi to New York takes about 14 hours and is about 13,800km.
A flight from Melbourne to Santiago, Chile takes about the same time and covers about the same distance.

This line of evidence alone is compelling enough to dismiss flat earth claims.

Rick Otto · Aug 31, 2019

Tom Farebrother said:
Most of what goes on inside anyone’s head is imaginary. That doesn’t mean that things people design and build using mathematical and other principles aren’t real. People had notions about the steam engine similar to those FE-ers now have about other machinery.

Did you watch the short video Shrewd Manager posted demonstrating the ability to see a mountaintop that MATHEMATICALLY should be below the curve?
From what you're saying it doesn't add up that you have.

Rick Otto · Aug 31, 2019

Prodigal Son returns said:
A flight from Shanghi to New York takes about 14 hours and is about 13,800km.
A flight from Melbourne to Santiago, Chile takes about the same time and covers about the same distance.

This line of evidence alone is compelling enough to dismiss flat earth claims.

Dismiss a medical diversion to Alaska instead of Hawaii on a flight from Taiwan to L.A. ...and make it compelling.

Tom 1 · Aug 31, 2019

Rick Otto said:
I'm a put that in the "No" column.

Me too! Instead of "either / or", think "both / and". Like a quantum state maybe.

A numerologist once told me I was a "double 3". Months later I was in book store with all that stuff in it so I asked the guy at the counter if he had anything about my numerology number, the double 3.
He says rather theatrically, "Ah yes! The Illusive 33!" and he turned around to grab a couple books so I ducked down behind the counter so he couldn't see me when he turned around.
We had a good laugh.

A thread on numerology would be interesting. I don’t know if I can be bothered discussing FE, or if there is any point.

Rick Otto · Aug 31, 2019

Tom Farebrother said:
A thread on numerology would be interesting. I don’t know if I can be bothered discussing FE, or if there is any point.

I hear ya. I avoided it for a long time because it's just too crazy but then I finally got bored with all the other conspiracy stuff, and so I peeked at it. It jogged loose some personal memories of seeing Chicago across Lake Michigan, and seeing the St. Louis Arch from Buck Knob, 50 miles south along the Mississippi.
None of that is as impressive as what you can see beyond what the CURVE FORMULA allows in the FE Red Pill video Shrewd Manager posted. It's short. You really should see it.

Rick Otto · Aug 31, 2019

SPF said:
You’re right, it would take some explaining. And as nobody has been able to discredit the second video, I’m still waiting for that explaining.

But on top of all the evidence that disproves the FE theory (and has for hundreds of years), I still haven’t heard a good explanation on why this big lie even exists in the first place. The number of people in on the lie at this point is so tremendous that it’s become nonsensical and ridiculous.

This is the question that can never be answered.

Elon Musk certainly knows the earth is flat if it indeed is flat. So what is his motivation for growing, developing, and continuing this massive conspiracy? Money? Is the answer always money? Is he demon possessed?

What about the Mythbusters. They flew up in a U2 spy plane to 70,000 feet. They showed video of the curvature. They commented on the curvature. If the world is flat, they know it because they saw it, and then they lied about it. What is their motivation to perpetuate the lie?

Top Gear, the most popular car show in the world had an episode where they sent James May up in a U2 Spy plane. They showed video of it, you saw the curvature - he commented on the curvature. Clearly, if the earth is flat, James May from Top Gear is now in on the lie. Why? What would he perpetuate the lie?

RedBull is in on the lie too. Felix Baumgartner jumped from 128,000 feet up. We all saw the video. You can see the curvature. Yes, I know it has to be a fish-eye lens because 100% of all video showing a curvature is a fish-eye lens. But he's in on the lie, so is RedBull and the people who insisted on using a fish-eye lens (they actually didn't use a fish-eye, but there's no convincing FE conspiracy theorists otherwise).

Below is a list of countries that have claimed to have launched satellites into space. For the FE conspiracy to be true, every single one of these countries has to be in on the lie. Can someone explain why they would all agree to work together to perpetuate the lie? Is there some circle of leaders that all these countries answer to?

Why would Iran perpetuate the lie? As a dominantly Muslim country, news like this would actually be good for them. I think they could use it to help spread Islam for sure. Why are they cooperating with us on the lie?

Russia
United States
China
Japan
India
France
Germany
Canada
United Kingdom
Italy
South Korea
Spain
Australia
Brazil
Argentina
Israel
Indonesia
Turkey
Saudi Arabia
Mexico
Sweden
Singapore
Netherlands
Czechoslovakia
Bulgaria
Luxembourg
Pakistan
Portugal
Thailand
Czech Republic
Ukraine
Malaysia
Norway
Philippines
Egypt
Chile
Denmark
South Africa
United Arab Emirates
Morocco
Belgium
Tonga[33]
Algeria
Greece
Cyprus
Nigeria
Iran
Kazakhstan
Colombia
Mauritius
Vietnam
Venezuela
Switzerland
Isle of Man
Poland[35]
Hungary
Sri Lanka
Romania
Belarus
North Korea
Azerbaijan
Austria
Bermuda[41]
Ecuador
Estonia
Jersey
Qatar
Peru
Bolivia
Lithuania
Uruguay
Iraq
Turkmenistan
Laos
Finland
Bangladesh
Ghana
Mongolia
Latvia
Slovakia
Asgardia
Angola
New Zealand
Costa Rica
Kenya
Bhutan
Jordan
Nepal

Why do people lie to their children about Santa Claus & the Easter Bunny?
If you don't believe the lie(s) you can be held hostage or blackmailed.
It's about denying God, hating God, wanting to sieze His power and rule over His creation.
But science has proved heaven & hell are just fantasy, so don't you worry about it even if the bible says trouble is on the way.

SPF · Aug 31, 2019

Rick Otto said:
It's about denying God, hating God, wanting to sieze His power and rule over His creation.

Your answer is hardly satisfying.

Are you saying that all the people in on the conspiracy are doing this because they hate God and want to seize his power?

This conspiracy is SO large at this point that it makes no rational sense.

Again, why would James May from Top Gear, a regular guy be so willing to get in on the lie?

Why would the MythBusters be so happy to get in on the lie?

Why would the people actually behind the conspiracy be so flippant about who they let in on the secret?

Why haven’t there been any whistle blowers?

At this point the conspiracy would have to be so large and involve the cooperation from so many governments, governments that are enemies at that.... the conspiracy would have to be so large it literally is impossible to rationally believe it could be true.

lasthero · Aug 31, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Hi SPF,
Yes I recall that first one from 2016, it was debunked at the time, but due to YT's policy changes I cant seem to locate the proof. I vaguely recall there's evidence in the detail proving the video had been edited and didn't actually show unbroken 24 hour timelapse. Video is just so unreliable, particularly where it's unverifiable. Sorry but I can't assume they're legitimate.

Let's just keep it simple shall we bro. There are scores, if not hundreds of photos with high-zoom optics showing distant objects. According to globe math (which is uncontroversial), these objects should be obscured behind significant amounts of curve. This experiment anyone can conduct with some readily available tools.

Maybe you can answer why we're consistently seeing much much much further than we should?

‘Videos and pictures that can’t be verified are unreliable!’

Then, just a paragraph later....

‘These unverified pictures prove a flat earth!’

Do you guys really not see the problem, here?

lasthero · Aug 31, 2019

Rick Otto said:
One of the first recorded modern encounters (happened in the 50s or 60s) was of an elderly couple in Pennsylvania I think, whose car lost power when a saucer landed. Some little guys came out of it and when they approached the couple, the lady started talking to them about Jesus. Without a word they all did an about face and left. Interesting, yes?

Not really.

I mean, it might be if you had any evidence that such an event occurred st all, much less that it occurred the way it was purported to. Heck, if you could actually link to where this account was written down instead of just vaguely recalling it, that might be interesting.

But since you didn’t do any of the above? No. It’s not the least bit interesting.

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