Are you saved or delusional?

genez said:

His words before the Cross mostly were said to Jews who were still living yet as Jews. Not to the new creation in Christ that was to come after He was glorified.

Those words said before the Cross are there to expose, or reveal, who is rightly handling the Word of God. To show who is walking in the Spirit, or walking in the energy of their flesh.

"In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church,
there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. No
doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you
have God’s approval." 1 Cor 11:18-19​

The Christian way of life requires the leading of the Spirit.. For those who took great pride in having a photographic memory?Now its potentially a means for being a curse.

The Spirit must cause our recall. We are to be taught well and learn constantly as much as we can.

Even for those who have a great memory. We all need to be careful. For demons seek out those whom to recruit. To supernaturally groom as to be used as a tool.

For its when we are weak then He is strong in us. If we take pride in, and cling to our natural strengths. Bible verse memory contests, perhaps..?

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So Jesus will judge men (pre-cross) based on what He said on the basis of what He righteously taught (too bad for them), and yet He will radically change things whereby men will not be held accountable to His righteous instruction after He died and rose again?

Doesn't sound fair, consistent, and neither believable.
I am sorry. Paul would not agree with this line of thinking.

Paul says if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud, and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

It is odd that Jesus would give us new teachings shortly before the cross, just so that they would quickly be undone after the cross. It makes no sense. They were clearly new teachings and not Old Covenant teachings. For example:

Jesus said,


Verse 38 is Old Covenant teaching of an eye for an eye.
Verse 39 is New Covenant teaching that says to turn the other cheek if you are smitten (or struck) on the one cheek.

So Jesus was not teaching Old Covenant, but New Covenant. That is what you fail to understand here.

Bible Highlighter said:

Please show me where in Matthew 10 where is says Jesus was talking to a crowd or a group of unbelievers.

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Its you who need to show us where I said he was speaking to unbelieers.

Like I already asked earlier... Is English your second language?

Here is what I said...

genez said:

Jesus was just telling his disciples how there were going to be facing mean and cruel religious people persecuting and even killing those they despise.

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genez said:

That, his disciples should not fear them.

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What you are saying sounds crazy.

And, proves to us all how you distort and fail to see what words plainly state.

Bible Highlighter said:

So Jesus will judge men (pre-cross) based on what He said on the basis of what He righteously taught (too bad for them), and yet He will radically change things whereby men will not be held accountable to His righteous instruction after He died and rose again?

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Your subjective concepts have ensnared you.

Salvation has always by faith in the Lord.

After they are saved? And, have physically died?

Believers works after the resurrection are to be evaluated according to how they were living under the Law, or in the Church age.

You're confusing salvation with the evaluation of believers that will come to those who have been saved.

Bible Highlighter said:

There really is not point in continuing this discussion unless you address the specific points I made in Scripture, and you explain what those verses are saying.

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Ok Jason have a blessed day.

Bible Highlighter said:

There really is not point in continuing this discussion unless you address the specific points I made in Scripture, and you explain what those verses are saying.

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First of all. If you understood them you would know that they do not relate to losing salvation. But?

You really want to know what they mean? I can tell you were you can learn in-depth about their meaning. And, it will cost you nothing if you so desire.

Trouble is with your ploy is that it would take many hours of teaching doctrinal details to make you able to think and understand what they speak of. Instead? You make them your terms of condition. Its a trap leading to stonewalling.

By demanding your terms, under those conditions, you use it as your excuse for plugging your ears as to not hear what any Christian who is walking in grace would easily and quickly comprehend.

You really lose respect that way quickly. Its disingenuous.

genez said:

Your subjective concepts have ensnared you.

Salvation has always by faith in the Lord.

After they are saved? And, have physically died?

Believers works after the resurrection are to be evaluated according to how they were living under the Law, or in the Church age.

You're confusing salvation with the evaluation of believers that will come to those who have been saved.

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Some Eternal Security Proponents believe otherwise. Some believe salvation operated differently before the cross, and in the End Times.

If you believe salvation was always by Faith Alone and not of works, then why does Jesus agree with the lawyer on the truth that we must love God and love our neighbor as a part of inheriting eternal life? (See Luke 10:25-28).

genez said:

First of all. If you understood them you would know that they do not relate to losing salvation. But?

You really want to know what they mean? I can tell you were you can learn in-depth about their meaning. And, it will cost you nothing if you so desire.

Trouble is with your ploy is that it would take many hours of teaching doctrinal details to make you able to think and understand what they speak of. Instead? You make them your terms of condition. Its a trap leading to stonewalling.

By demanding your terms, under those conditions, you use it as your excuse for plugging your ears as to not hear what any Christian who is walking in grace would easily and quickly comprehend.

You really lose respect that way quickly. Its disingenuous.

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My point is that I will not continue to discuss the Scriptures with anyone if they do not desire to address the verses I bring forth. An argument involving Scripture should not always be one sided. If there is any hope for the "Belief Alone" position to survive or to seem like there is any merit or weight to it, there should be some kind of defense in explaining some of the verses I have put forth. You can try to look deeper into my own motives, and actions, but God knows my heart, and He knows all things.

Anyways, may God bless you.

genez said:

Your subjective concepts have ensnared you.

Salvation has always by faith in the Lord.

After they are saved? And, have physically died?

Believers works after the resurrection are to be evaluated according to how they were living under the Law, or in the Church age.

You're confusing salvation with the evaluation of believers that will come to those who have been saved.

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Okay, if you believe that is what I am doing, then please take a few of the verses I brought forth and explain that as proof of what I am doing.

genez said:

Its you who need to show us where I said he was speaking to unbelieers.

Like I already asked earlier... Is English your second language?

Here is what I said...



What you are saying sounds crazy.

And, proves to us all how you distort and fail to see what words plainly state.

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You said, I quote:
Source:
Post #393.

My reply:

Well, if it is not directed to his disciples, then that means that Jesus was intending these words towards unbelievers, right?

But no unbelievers were present to say these words to. Nor did Jesus say anything like: "Tell unbelievers to fear not what men can do to them, but to fear the One who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna."

But Jesus did not say these words.

Please provide proof in the text that Jesus was not talking directly to his disciples in Matthew 10:28. I will await for your reply on this.

Bible Highlighter said:

You said, I quote:

"That threat about killing the soul was not directed to his disciples."
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Source:
Post #393.

My reply:

Well, if it is not directed to his disciples, then that means that Jesus was intending these words towards unbelievers, right?

But no unbelievers were present to say these words to. Nor did Jesus say anything like: "Tell unbelievers to fear not what men can do to them, but to fear the One who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna."

But Jesus did not say these words.

Please provide proof in the text that Jesus was not talking directly to his disciples in Matthew 10:28. I will await for your reply on this.

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You are REALLY confused. You just keep on distorting things. I am not going to try undoing your confusion, for as I can see, you would also distort my answer.

My hunch is that you create this confusion as a means to divert and never really have to come to grips with the plenty of passages that can already be known. What you do is like a squid spewing out ink in what was just clear water a few moments before.

Bible Highlighter said:

You said, I quote:

"That threat about killing the soul was not directed to his disciples."
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The words he said was directed to his disciples as a teaching. But, the threat itself was not directed to them. He was TEACHING them about others to whom the punishment applied.

amusing how some minds think.

You call that amusing?! ...............

If we could lose our salvation? To get it back would mean that we now become our own savior by doing something to be restored. In doing so, we snatch away the "title" Savior from Jesus, and then pin it on our self.

We then would become our own savior if we repented and returned.

genez said:

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The words he said was directed to his disciples as a teaching. But, the threat itself was not directed to them. He was TEACHING them about others to whom the punishment applied.

amusing how some minds think.

You call that amusing?! ...............

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But where in the text do you get the hint that Jesus was referring to unbelievers and not believers?

genez said:

If we could lose our salvation? To get it back would mean that we now become our own savior by doing something to be restored. In doing so, we snatch away the "title" Savior from Jesus, and then pin it on our self.

We then would become our own savior if we repented and returned.

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Less opinion, and more Scripture please.

Bible Highlighter said:

But where in the text do you get the hint that Jesus was referring to unbelievers and not believers?

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I found it in the first book of Jason. Ever read it?

genez said:

You are REALLY confused. You just keep on distorting things. I am not going to try undoing your confusion, for as I can see, you would also distort my answer.

My hunch is that you create this confusion as a means to divert and never really have to come to grips with the plenty of passages that can already be known. What you do is like a squid spewing out ink in what was just clear water a few moments before.

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The Bible says this about confusion.


The Bible says this about not knowing anything.


Do you disagree with the words of Jesus?


These are just a few of the words of Jesus that talk about how sin can destroy our souls (Which is consistent with the whole of Scripture). For Eve bought into the lie by the serpent (the devil) that she could break God's command and not die. This same lie is being pushed by the enemy today.

genez said:

I found it in the first book of Jason. Ever read it?

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Well, if you are going to hurl insults at me, and not provide Scripture verses to back up your belief, then I think it is time for us to move on.

May the Lord's peace be upon you.

Bible Highlighter said:

The Bible says this about confusion.

"For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work."
(James 3:16).​

The Bible says this about not knowing anything.

"If anyone... disagrees with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and with godly teaching, He is proud, knowing nothing, ..." (1 Timothy 6:3-4).​

Do you disagree with the words of Jesus?

Jesus says if one looks upon a woman in lust, their whole body can be cast into hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30).​

Jesus says if we do not forgive, we will not be forgiven (Matthew 6:15).

Jesus says we can be condemned by our words (Matthew 12:37).
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These are just a few of the words of Jesus that talk about how sin can destroy our souls (Which is consistent with the whole of Scripture). For Eve bought into the lie by the serpent (the devil) that she could break God's command and not die. This same lie is being pushed by the enemy today.

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Who's your commander?

Bible Highlighter said:

Well, if you are going to hurl insults at me, and not provide Scripture verses to back up your belief, then I think it is time for us to move on.

May the Lord's peace be upon you.

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What kind of insult was that? Jason 0047 was a genius theologian. That's what I have been told anyway. How is it an insult? He was so sane and level headed. I wish you were more like him in certain ways.

Moving on from talking to you unless you bring forth God’s Word (Scripture) to discuss on this topic.

Blessings to you in the Lord.