Deep Cry of the Heart: What No One Wants to Talk About

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(Trigger warning for sexual abuse survivors) Dear Friends, This is not clinical, sterile theology. This is a deep cry of the heart. If you haven't been here, you may not be able to understand. Six months ago I would have been giving people pat, superficial, cold answers to what I'm about to relate, but no more. Please read before you answer.

In February of this year, while I was struggling with my own health problems, my daughter confessed to me that our longtime friend had been raping her (I do NOT use the term "molested"). He was in his 50s, and she from 9-12 when most of the incidents occurred, although some incidents continued to happen until recently (she was 16 when she reported what had been going on). The same thing happened to the man's own granddaughter. We reported the man, he was arrested, confessed, and recently died in jail before official sentencing. A child forced into sexual contact is NOT like an adult having consensual relations. The emotional impact this had on my daughter was devastating. My daughter vomited for 30 minutes when she told me what had happened, and she continued to have vomiting spells about every 2 weeks after that for months, rapidly losing weight. She basically had/has a form of PTSD. She had nightmares and panic attacks for fear the man would somehow escape from jail, rape, and kill her. (Illogical fear like this is part of PTSD) She can't be hugged now because she is terrified to be held down. He both bribed and threatened her, and also made her think the abuse was normal. She is now in trauma counseling. The only reason the victims came forward was to protect another, younger, girl who might have been next.

We are conservative Christians. We homeschooled our daughter and did our best to 'protect' her as much as possible. We were careful about her friends and who she was with, and what she watched and read. (She DID know about the "birds and the bees." We live on a farm. She also knew about "bad touching," and "not to keep secrets." The terrifying thing for parents is that a child can "know" about things and still not understand or be able to apply general rules to specific situations. She was so modest she would not even undress in front of me, yet this man used her.) The man in question we'd known for 12+ years in church and as an employee. He was a "good" man. I literally saw him give money and food to the poor, and help widows. The children loved him. I thought I knew about sexual predators, and my husband is trained in his line of work to detect lies...but this man snowed us. When all of this came out, it has devastated our family, his family (who turned against him), his little church, etc. NO ONE suspected he'd ever do anything like this.

My friends, I used to teach Sunday School. I used to be an amateur apologist and answer Biblical questions, but God has brought me to a place that I never wanted to go, and to learn things I never wanted to know about. This isn't sweet, Sunday-morning pink cotton-candy Christianity; this is an open sewer. This is the fact that God allowed a man to rape and corrupt our daughter, who we had tried so hard to protect and raise according to Christian morals and values, over a period of YEARS. If you don't know much about child sexual abuse, these people skillfully "groom" these children to accept more, and more, and more intimate contact. They corrupt the children's worldview before the children know enough to distinguish good from evil, and they are so skillful that they can hide their activities from even their closest relatives.

Someone out there can try to be clinical, cold, and pious and say that "all things work together for good." In a sense, this is a very true statement. I'm already seeing good come out of this..but that doesn't mean that there's not a HUGE amount of suffering (for the man's wife, family, and us.)

I was waiting for my daughter in counseling today, and a lady was reading a Christian book to her son. I wanted to cry. The book promised that God answers prayers; but God did not answer my prayers for my daughter's safety, or my daughter's prayers for the abuse to stop. The book spoke of the love of God (and I DO believe that God loves us, in a spiritual sense), but His love is NOT the type of love many of us desperately want it to be. God may not "protect" us, or our children. God may allow some pretty horrible things to happen to us. A friend of mine said I was angry at God. I would characterize it more as deep, deep disappointment than anger. I NEVER believed that God promised us an easy life here on earth. (I'm actually pretty pessimistic.) I don't adhere to the "health and wealth" gospel; but I also never believed that God would allow my daughter to be used in this way.

God intervened (I believe) in our case. The man died of a heart attack in jail. (God have mercy on his soul.) But I can no longer teach children cute stories and tell them that "God loves them," at least NOT in the way that our society defines "love." It's VERY important to me to be completely truthful, and I'm struggling to try to reconfigure my theology to be more like that in the New Testament, in which God's love is NOT the soft, touchy-feely stuff we in the West want it to be, but rather that God often loves those who suffer horribly and yet keep the faith. I'm wondering if there is another denomination out there (Catholic, Orthodox, another Protestant line) that might teach a more realistic, if not quite as comforting, theology?

Those who have been through something like this are welcome to comment.
 

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Hello

I just want to let you know that I read your post and want to reply but will do so tomorrow as it is late and I am whacked. My home educated son was abused by a URC minister whom we had trusted entirely. He died in prison serving his sentance (quite a few other kids were involved).

I have also had to come to terms with the suffering in my own life and why God does allow such things to happen to innocent children. It is a tough one and harder when one is traumatised which I expect you are on hearing what has been going on.

I found that the church does not know how to deal with trauma but it is easy - it just requires love and honesty. Will be thinking of my reply.
 
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"I was waiting for my daughter in counseling today & a lady was reading a Christian book to her son. I wanted to cry. The book promised that God answers prayers; but God did not answer my prayers for my daughter's safety, or my daughter's prayers for the abuse to stop. The book spoke of the love of God (and I DO believe that God loves us, in a spiritual sense), but His love is NOT the type of love many of us desperately want it to be.

God may not "protect" us, or our children. God may allow some pretty horrible things to happen to us. A friend of mine said I was angry at God. I would characterize it more as deep, deep disappointment than anger. I NEVER believed that God promised us an easy life here on earth. (I'm actually pretty pessimistic.) I don't adhere to the "health and wealth" gospel; but I also never believed that God would allow my daughter to be used in this way."

This is a very difficult issue to resolve in our lives & minds, especially when it involves evil visiting us or a family member or friend. We come face to face with the surface faith in God & the reality of what true faith is in God when trials or evil or suffering occurs.

I worked with both abusers of others & those abused, in group therapy, among incarcerated adolescents for over 15 years as well as issues in various church fellowships & teaching people how to be aware of what evil people do. What happened will greatly impact the rest of one's life, what happened is evil. The devil comes to kill, steal & destroy.

But one can heal & be whole again & get married & raise children, etc. I have watched it happen over the years, both to those abused & to some of the abusers.

God is not the author of evil. People can do the most evil of things.

Jeremiah 17:9 “The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?

This is one of the biggest questions people of faith & unbelievers ask: why is there evil in the world or why does God allow evil to happen or allow evil people like Hitler to exist or even be born?

Here is a short video that helps some to answer this. Fast forward to minute two of the video & watch it from there as there are distractions before that in the audience.


He goes through this very quickly, that in other venues he has taken hours to present. But he shares some very important information.

Why did God allow the 10 plagues in Egypt? Why did the Father allow the Son to go through such horrible suffering at the hands of evil people, his beard literally pulled out in chunks, his back beaten with a cat-o-nine tails, his being blind folded & beaten repeatedly in the face? He was beaten so horribly that you almost couldn't recognize Him as a human being. That is how Scripture described what happened to Him!

Isaiah 52:14,15 (Just as many were horrified by the sight of You) He was so disfigured He no longer looked like a man; His form was so marred He no longer looked human – so now He will startle many nations. Kings will be shocked by His exaltation, for they will witness something unannounced to them & they will understand something they had not heard about.

How could God the Father allow this to happen? How unjust could the Father be? Why did He allow all this evil to occur to Jesus? Is that the truth, that the Father is unjust or that He is unloving to have allowed this to happen to our Lord & Savior? Of course not.

What would have been your attitude had this happened to you? Some would say, well that was Jesus. Despite the evil unleashed on the Savior & allowed by the Father, Jesus' attitude was He entrusted Himself to His Father & He forgave those who did all this evil against Him.

“My thoughts are nothing like your thoughts,” says the LORD, neither are your ways My ways," says the LORD. For AS THE HEAVENS ARE HIGHER THAN THE EARTH, so My ways are higher than your ways & My thoughts than your thoughts.

I truly have no clue as to how God thinks except as is revealed in Scripture or by the Holy Spirit. How God does things & the way He chooses to do them are unbelievably beyond my grasp to know. But I do know some things. God has chosen to allow evil to exist & suffering to exist for a purpose for good & at times we all our touched by it, Jesus not even being excluded. Our faith in a merciful & just & holy & loving God must remain steadfast despite suffering at times.

Why did Joseph have to go through such suffering in his life, as a young boy left all alone in a pit, then sold & forsaken by his own brothers & family to slave traders, terrified & abandoned by them.

Just when he thought it might get better, then he was betrayed by an evil woman, while he was righteous & was thrown into the deepest dungeon & left there for years to rot away. THEN God acted. He was released from all this abuse & trials & used by God to provide for nations in time of extreme world famine.

What would your attitude have been for all this evil in his life, if it had happened to you? Don't get me wrong. This boy suffered much as he grew up. Nothing is taken away from this. But here is what he said. He trusted in all these things happening for a purpose, that would turn out for good. He did not get bitter, he got better. He was able to heal from these things, trusting in a God who ultimately loved Him & had a purpose for all these things.

Gen 50:17-20 ‘This is what you are to say to Joseph: I beg you, please forgive the transgression and sin of your brothers, for they did you wrong.’ So now, Joseph, please forgive the transgression of the servants of the God of your father.” When their message came to him, Joseph wept. Then his brothers came & threw themselves down before Joseph. “Look, we are your slaves!” they said. But Joseph replied, “Do not be afraid. Am I in the place of God? You plotted evil against me, but God turned it into good, in order to preserve the lives of many people who are alive today because of what happened.

Or let us take the life of Job. In one day he lost his sons & daughters. He lost much of his possessions & livestock. In spite of all this, what was going on & what was Job's attitude?

Job 1:8 The LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil.”

Had Job done anything wrong? No. Was he continually turning away from evil & doing all the good he could do? Yes. Yet evil did enter his life. Just as the heavenly Father allowed evil to enter Jesus' life, so it was allowed in Job & his families' lives.

Job 1:20-22 Then Job arose & tore his robe & shaved his head & he fell to the ground & worshiped.

21He said, “Naked I came from my mother’s womb & naked I shall return there. The LORD gave & the LORD has taken away. Blessed be the name of the LORD.” Through all this Job did not sin nor did he blame God.

Then as if this wasn't enough evil, he receives horrible leaking, swollen sores all over his body, painful night & day, (Job 2:7) to the point of wanting to just die & mourning the day he was born.

Job Cursed the Day He Was Born but He Didn't Complain Against God

What did his wife counsel him to do & what did Job say?

Job 2:9,10 Then his wife said to him, “Do you still hold fast your integrity? Curse God & die!” 10But he said to her, “You speak as one of the foolish women speaks. Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity?” In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

When Job's friends heard what happened, at first they were compassionate, weeping with him, sitting 7 days before saying even a word, because their friend was in such pain & suffering.

Job 2:11-13 Now when Job’s three friends heard of all this adversity that had come upon him, they came each one from his own place, Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite & Zophar the Naamathite & they made an appointment together to come to sympathize with him & comfort him.

12When they lifted up their eyes at a distance & they DID NOT RECOGNIZE HIM, they raised their voices & wept. And each of them tore his robe & they threw dust over their heads toward the sky. 13Then they sat down on the ground WITH him for seven days AND seven nights with no one speaking a word to him, for they saw that his pain was very great.

But their CONCLUSIONS as to why Job was suffering, were wrong, as God stated. We know the behind the scenes issues because the book of Job was given to us for our learning. Job 38-42 is a passage that should change every one of us on having a proper view & understanding of God, for the better not the worse.

Why did Paul have to go through such sufferings, beatings to the point of death, bearing on his body the marks just like Jesus received & the constant death threats. Then there was the constant concern for the apostolic churches of God, weighing on his heart, soul & mind.

Yet what did Paul say about this?

Phil 3:3-11 For we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God & glory in Christ Jesus & put no confidence in the flesh...But whatever things were gain to me, those things I have counted as loss for the sake of Christ.

8More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have SUFFERED the loss of all things & count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ & may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

10so that I may KNOW Him AND the POWER of His resurrection AND THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUFFERINGS, being CONFORMED TO HIS DEATH; 11in order that I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.

I confess I do not know Christ like this. I confess I do not have any pat answers, but I do know one thing. I trust in the Lord to do what is right, just, holy, impartial, loving & true.


I have suffered things in my life growing up, things that traumatized me for years, but I did not share these things until much later in my life, to my regret.

"He was in his 50s, and she from 9-12 when most of the incidents occurred, although some incidents continued to happen until recently (she was 16 when she reported what had been going on)"

I truly had wished your daughter would have been able to share what was happening to her at age 9 rather than wait until age 16. But I understand from my own life. Children despite their upbringing & warnings, do not think like adults. When terrorized, they become traumatized & often do know what to do & become numb.

I have prayed that the Lord will bring healing & wholeness & a love for God in your daughter & you, not focusing on the evil done but on God who brings comfort & healing. May He use your daughter & you for good in the world based on what she & you have gone through.

Psalm 56:7,8 In spite of such sin, will they escape? In Your wrath, O God, cast down the nations. You keep track of all my sorrows. You have collected all my tears in Your bottle. You have recorded each one in Your book.

I have seen God's hand in directing me in the way He did, in order to use me to minister to many who were traumatized, for good. I sought for healing & wholeness over time & God has done just that. I now in wisdom see how sufferings in this life have indeed been turned into purposes for good. And I have sought in my life to be one that can bring healing & wholeness to others.

If God, Why Suffering?
 
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Your daughter is in trauma counselling and that's great! But you have also been traumatized. You've been betrayed by a friend, you've heard your daughter's story (and will likely continue to hear it), you might even carry some guilt for not recognizing it sooner or being able to protect her from this atrocity. You have a right to be angry over this injustice to your daughter. God hates injustice, and so you are aligning with God on that count.

You will need to work through your own vicarious trauma, the deepest kind of betrayal, and all your own feelings about all this. Please find a therapist, maybe even your daughter's therapist, and work through all this.

Take a break from teaching Sunday School if you can. You don't need to provide an explanation, but if you are able to talk to your pastor about this, it might be a good idea to process the spiritual aspects - the questions you have about God and suffering, and allowing this to happen to your sweet, innocent daughter. You are not only having the psychological vicarious trauma, but possibly also a crisis of faith. Please work this out in pastoral counselling, so you are able to claim victory along with your daughter over the evils done to you both and your family.

It will be especially hard for you, because not only do you have to attend to your own fallout from this, but it will be absolutely necessary to be with your daughter emotionally, and help her learn to organize her feelings about all this as well. Therapeutic processing only happens in the counsellor's office. Real therapy happens in the safety of your family and your home, making it safe for her to be herself again.

Prayers for you, your daughter and your whole family as you deal with this together.
 
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The first thing I want to say is, there are not many people who can treat trauma effectively, and talk therapy does not help here, in fact it can hinder it causing retraumatisation. I don't know of any Christian sources that are competent.

The work involved in healing it must be based on body work and there are secular psychologists that use psychotherapy that helps. I have not found any help myself so far but God is doing it directly after a long long time of gradually becoming aware of the extent of the various types of abuse since my early childhood. If I had been receiving loving care from Christians the process would be speeded up a lot. But I have found zero understanding of trauma there.

And on the theology side, yes, I understand and for myself had to leave my Reformed theology behind in order to save my faith. I do not believe that God ordains abuse for us but the hard fact is that He allows it. It was a shock to me that He did not protect me when I understood Him as my Father and what does a parent do for their children?

I am still working through the fact that not only did He not protect me, but often, very important information that would have saved me from much suffering, did not come to light when it would have helped me especially in childhood. It has only been in a very late stage in life have I realised that my mother was a narcissist.

I have learned one thing though - I must not accept the temptation to go down the path of doubting Him. It leads to a very bad place. It also means that I am listening to the devil who says God does not care about me. I no longer trust my own thinking and have often had to hang on by a thread, to wait on Him.

To get back to your daughter, I very much understand where you are coming from in taking the utmost care of protecting her with home schooling as I did the same, and did not have television in the home etc. I wanted my sons to have some innocence and slowly introduce them to the evil side of life when they were mature enough to cope with it instead of having it thrust on them.

The minister in my sons case also groomed the one abused and he was also highly thought of by others but was abusing boys. Fortunatley he had limited access to my boys. I was pleased to hear that he had died instead of getting released. I think that God has intervened in both cases.

I now believe that God can heal these very deep wounds and that your daughter can become a wife one day. I do believe though that normal Christian doctrine does not hold here. The shift I discovered was in understanding that one needs to be in union with Christ for complete healing to occur and what we are taught is not the whole truth. There needs to be a subsequent deliverance from sin to escape the very natural human reaction to such crimes.

The fact that this has come out sooner rather than later in your daughters life, shows how good a parent you are and the love amongst your selves will help so much. I am struggling with isolation as my ex was also a narcsissist and alienated my children from me and smear campaigned me.

My heart goes out to you and your family.
 
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For, “Who can know the LORD’s thoughts? Who knows enough to teach him?” But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ. (1 Cor.66 2:16)

The man who molested your daughter for years was deliberately stopping and restricting God's influence in the situation. Your daughter may have felt or heard that still voice within her telling her what he was doing to her was wrong, telling her to open up to you, telling her to stop him from touching but there's fear and manipulation going on at the same time being threatened by the evil fellow, there are also lies being told and pretence.


What I'm trying to say is this, God was doing something, but Satan was also doing his thing


I'm not trying to make excuses here, I'm just saying the devil doesn't sit back and watch, he also does his part to ensure that evil flourishes. In the end good will overcome evil

I pray your daughter receives all the help she can get, this must be really tough on your family, God bless
 
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(Trigger warning for sexual abuse survivors) Dear Friends, This is not clinical, sterile theology. This is a deep cry of the heart. If you haven't been here, you may not be able to understand. Six months ago I would have been giving people pat, superficial, cold answers to what I'm about to relate, but no more. Please read before you answer.

In February of this year, while I was struggling with my own health problems, my daughter confessed to me that our longtime friend had been raping her (I do NOT use the term "molested"). He was in his 50s, and she from 9-12 when most of the incidents occurred, although some incidents continued to happen until recently (she was 16 when she reported what had been going on). The same thing happened to the man's own granddaughter. We reported the man, he was arrested, confessed, and recently died in jail before official sentencing. A child forced into sexual contact is NOT like an adult having consensual relations. The emotional impact this had on my daughter was devastating. My daughter vomited for 30 minutes when she told me what had happened, and she continued to have vomiting spells about every 2 weeks after that for months, rapidly losing weight. She basically had/has a form of PTSD. She had nightmares and panic attacks for fear the man would somehow escape from jail, rape, and kill her. (Illogical fear like this is part of PTSD) She can't be hugged now because she is terrified to be held down. He both bribed and threatened her, and also made her think the abuse was normal. She is now in trauma counseling. The only reason the victims came forward was to protect another, younger, girl who might have been next.

We are conservative Christians. We homeschooled our daughter and did our best to 'protect' her as much as possible. We were careful about her friends and who she was with, and what she watched and read. (She DID know about the "birds and the bees." We live on a farm. She also knew about "bad touching," and "not to keep secrets." The terrifying thing for parents is that a child can "know" about things and still not understand or be able to apply general rules to specific situations. She was so modest she would not even undress in front of me, yet this man used her.) The man in question we'd known for 12+ years in church and as an employee. He was a "good" man. I literally saw him give money and food to the poor, and help widows. The children loved him. I thought I knew about sexual predators, and my husband is trained in his line of work to detect lies...but this man snowed us. When all of this came out, it has devastated our family, his family (who turned against him), his little church, etc. NO ONE suspected he'd ever do anything like this.

My friends, I used to teach Sunday School. I used to be an amateur apologist and answer Biblical questions, but God has brought me to a place that I never wanted to go, and to learn things I never wanted to know about. This isn't sweet, Sunday-morning pink cotton-candy Christianity; this is an open sewer. This is the fact that God allowed a man to rape and corrupt our daughter, who we had tried so hard to protect and raise according to Christian morals and values, over a period of YEARS. If you don't know much about child sexual abuse, these people skillfully "groom" these children to accept more, and more, and more intimate contact. They corrupt the children's worldview before the children know enough to distinguish good from evil, and they are so skillful that they can hide their activities from even their closest relatives.

Someone out there can try to be clinical, cold, and pious and say that "all things work together for good." In a sense, this is a very true statement. I'm already seeing good come out of this..but that doesn't mean that there's not a HUGE amount of suffering (for the man's wife, family, and us.)

I was waiting for my daughter in counseling today, and a lady was reading a Christian book to her son. I wanted to cry. The book promised that God answers prayers; but God did not answer my prayers for my daughter's safety, or my daughter's prayers for the abuse to stop. The book spoke of the love of God (and I DO believe that God loves us, in a spiritual sense), but His love is NOT the type of love many of us desperately want it to be. God may not "protect" us, or our children. God may allow some pretty horrible things to happen to us. A friend of mine said I was angry at God. I would characterize it more as deep, deep disappointment than anger. I NEVER believed that God promised us an easy life here on earth. (I'm actually pretty pessimistic.) I don't adhere to the "health and wealth" gospel; but I also never believed that God would allow my daughter to be used in this way.

God intervened (I believe) in our case. The man died of a heart attack in jail. (God have mercy on his soul.) But I can no longer teach children cute stories and tell them that "God loves them," at least NOT in the way that our society defines "love." It's VERY important to me to be completely truthful, and I'm struggling to try to reconfigure my theology to be more like that in the New Testament, in which God's love is NOT the soft, touchy-feely stuff we in the West want it to be, but rather that God often loves those who suffer horribly and yet keep the faith. I'm wondering if there is another denomination out there (Catholic, Orthodox, another Protestant line) that might teach a more realistic, if not quite as comforting, theology?

Those who have been through something like this are welcome to comment.

Hi,

It is horrible what your daughter has endured. I have not been through any thing like it. But seeing you are asking some questions to try to think through how God's love relates to this, I thought I would offers some thoughts.

The bible gives us a picture of God being sorely displeased with those who cause others to stumble. He even used the word child, to show that he is talking about innocents, and the young.

Mat 18:5-7 “Whoever receives one such child in my name receives me, but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened around his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.
Temptations to Sin “Woe to the world for temptations to sin! For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes!

We see above that for reasons we can not fathom, hurt does occur to others, but God hates, it. I guess the reality is that if God stepped in, every time a person sinned, no man or woman would be saved. God seems to allow a certain level of sin before He acts, to give people time to repent of evil.

We see however, that:

1Co 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

People do suffer, but no one will suffer beyond what they can handle. I know it is sore comfort in your situation, but God must have had his eye on the situation at least in the sense that He was measuring the suffering, and not allowing it to escalate to a form totally unbearable.

However I would not wish your situation on any of our children.
 
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Dear @FutureAndAHope

It is an oft repeated misinterpretation of the verse in 1Corinthians, that no one will suffer more than they are able to cope with, which l discovered during the birth of my fourth child.

The verse us actually about withstanding temptation: there is no temptation that can overcome a man who is in Christ Jesus, and who while tempted to sin, can escape it and remain without blame. This is nothing to do with suffering.
 
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(Trigger warning for sexual abuse survivors) Dear Friends, This is not clinical, sterile theology. This is a deep cry of the heart. If you haven't been here, you may not be able to understand. Six months ago I would have been giving people pat, superficial, cold answers to what I'm about to relate, but no more. Please read before you answer.

In February of this year, while I was struggling with my own health problems, my daughter confessed to me that our longtime friend had been raping her (I do NOT use the term "molested"). He was in his 50s, and she from 9-12 when most of the incidents occurred, although some incidents continued to happen until recently (she was 16 when she reported what had been going on). The same thing happened to the man's own granddaughter. We reported the man, he was arrested, confessed, and recently died in jail before official sentencing. A child forced into sexual contact is NOT like an adult having consensual relations. The emotional impact this had on my daughter was devastating. My daughter vomited for 30 minutes when she told me what had happened, and she continued to have vomiting spells about every 2 weeks after that for months, rapidly losing weight. She basically had/has a form of PTSD. She had nightmares and panic attacks for fear the man would somehow escape from jail, rape, and kill her. (Illogical fear like this is part of PTSD) She can't be hugged now because she is terrified to be held down. He both bribed and threatened her, and also made her think the abuse was normal. She is now in trauma counseling. The only reason the victims came forward was to protect another, younger, girl who might have been next.

We are conservative Christians. We homeschooled our daughter and did our best to 'protect' her as much as possible. We were careful about her friends and who she was with, and what she watched and read. (She DID know about the "birds and the bees." We live on a farm. She also knew about "bad touching," and "not to keep secrets." The terrifying thing for parents is that a child can "know" about things and still not understand or be able to apply general rules to specific situations. She was so modest she would not even undress in front of me, yet this man used her.) The man in question we'd known for 12+ years in church and as an employee. He was a "good" man. I literally saw him give money and food to the poor, and help widows. The children loved him. I thought I knew about sexual predators, and my husband is trained in his line of work to detect lies...but this man snowed us. When all of this came out, it has devastated our family, his family (who turned against him), his little church, etc. NO ONE suspected he'd ever do anything like this.

My friends, I used to teach Sunday School. I used to be an amateur apologist and answer Biblical questions, but God has brought me to a place that I never wanted to go, and to learn things I never wanted to know about. This isn't sweet, Sunday-morning pink cotton-candy Christianity; this is an open sewer. This is the fact that God allowed a man to rape and corrupt our daughter, who we had tried so hard to protect and raise according to Christian morals and values, over a period of YEARS. If you don't know much about child sexual abuse, these people skillfully "groom" these children to accept more, and more, and more intimate contact. They corrupt the children's worldview before the children know enough to distinguish good from evil, and they are so skillful that they can hide their activities from even their closest relatives.

Someone out there can try to be clinical, cold, and pious and say that "all things work together for good." In a sense, this is a very true statement. I'm already seeing good come out of this..but that doesn't mean that there's not a HUGE amount of suffering (for the man's wife, family, and us.)

I was waiting for my daughter in counseling today, and a lady was reading a Christian book to her son. I wanted to cry. The book promised that God answers prayers; but God did not answer my prayers for my daughter's safety, or my daughter's prayers for the abuse to stop. The book spoke of the love of God (and I DO believe that God loves us, in a spiritual sense), but His love is NOT the type of love many of us desperately want it to be. God may not "protect" us, or our children. God may allow some pretty horrible things to happen to us. A friend of mine said I was angry at God. I would characterize it more as deep, deep disappointment than anger. I NEVER believed that God promised us an easy life here on earth. (I'm actually pretty pessimistic.) I don't adhere to the "health and wealth" gospel; but I also never believed that God would allow my daughter to be used in this way.

God intervened (I believe) in our case. The man died of a heart attack in jail. (God have mercy on his soul.) But I can no longer teach children cute stories and tell them that "God loves them," at least NOT in the way that our society defines "love." It's VERY important to me to be completely truthful, and I'm struggling to try to reconfigure my theology to be more like that in the New Testament, in which God's love is NOT the soft, touchy-feely stuff we in the West want it to be, but rather that God often loves those who suffer horribly and yet keep the faith. I'm wondering if there is another denomination out there (Catholic, Orthodox, another Protestant line) that might teach a more realistic, if not quite as comforting, theology?

Those who have been through something like this are welcome to comment.

I suppose from your final comment, dear one, that I should not comment, since I have not been through "something life this", as you say; however, since I detected blame against God for "allowing" this terrible thing, I should say that we MUST NEVER suggest that God does a bad thing for souls. We must always be humbled before our Creator-God who is "holy"; "righteous"; and loves mankind, though we face terrible things in life. There is a more biblical explanation for all this, and we can often miss it by our religious reasoning about God. I will not engage in further discussion on this sad thing here, but you are free to inquire privately to me for discussion ---not that I have all answers, but that after over 60 years of walking with God and studying His Word, I believe I have some understandings of evil and the good and love of God. There have been some good counsel shared with you herein about evils by Satan through man, and speaking also of God's perfect love. Keep looking up, friend!
 
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Everyone who is a Christian has been through something bad..

As Jesus says; "The rain falls on the just and unjust alike" Matthew 5:45

I've not been saved my whole life, but I've been through the wringer and now that I've found God the trials aren't stopping, they still exist.. I just have Jesus through it all now - which is more than enough, and more than I deserve.

My daughter was raped at 15. I have a granddaughter born out of that. My daughter died at 23 of cancer. Once she told me she didn't have a day of her life that was good, she was either sick all the time (unstable type 1 diabetes in her childhood, abusive father, followed by rape at 15, followed by cancer..) or in emotional pain and she was tired of fighting.

I cried when she told me there was nothing good.. I cried so hard because it had been my job as a parent and I failed her..

I wasn't saved then, but as I lay here with my own health failing me, I don't suppose God owes me anything... I know Him, and that's enough..

Your daughter, my God, she's innocent... and this will change her in fundamental ways. But WITH God she will get through and come out on top.

It's NOT God's fault we are evil.. it's man's. On the Day of Judgement the evil ones will have no excuse... but then, neither will we if we begin blaming God for the crimes of mankind..

God saved us... and that's enough. We have something better in the next life - the trial of this one is the question; will we trust in Christ, and lean on Christ no matter what comes our way, and persevere to the end?

Get counseling, it can help you.. Your feeling like your falling apart, but you can't because your family needs you.. Go where you can work through your emotions.. You desperately need that too.
 
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I am so sorry that has happened to your family. Frankly, I'm glad the man died as that makes it easier to move on, as much as you can, I would guess.

Child sexual abuse is so pervasive, now, in this society. You are right that the perpetrators "groom" the children and use confusion and fear to keep them as victims.

Your underlying question is one we so often ask, "Why?" and you are asking yourself Whom the Lord really is on a deeper level. That is all understandable.

The only One Who can really give you light on that and on what happened and why is the Lord. I know when we have been badly hurt, it is harder to pray to Him with confidence. I will pray, too.

As far as denominations, well, there are no denominations in the Bible. There is just the Word. Nothing in there says to go to Church and "Church" is just a Greek word meaning "ecclesia" which is a gathering of believers at any time or any place. There were Synagogues they could go to on the Sabbath for the the early believers, and they also fellow shipped in others' homes, but they never heard of a big building with a cross on top where people go to worship on Sundays. I personally think there is no denomination that can really help you. In any denomination you might or might not find some people who are wise and sympathetic and that can help a lot. But....

"You need not that anyone should teach you, but the Holy Spirit will teach you."

Of course He is also the comforter and you are surely due for some comfort and healing right now, and your daughter and all who have been hurt.

Again, I will pray for you, your daughter and your family and no doubt others here have done the same.
 
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First of all your "handle" caught my eye. There is a lot that could be read into it. But your post shared so much of what I have questioned. I do not believe the "church" is being equipped to handle "heart cries" of this level. I also believe that the "church" should be able to bring the only hope for this situation: which is Jesus Christ, into the lives of members and those who attend. But for me "para church" organizations have done a much better job of listening and bringing hope to those who have been betrayed by life. I have not found a denomination that deals with this effectively but have experienced great healing and witnessed many miraculous healings thru the ministry of Elijah House Prayer Ministry.

However, I have seen people who were so wounded it seemed as if they could never live a "normal" life, rise from their "tomb" and live again. I have also seen others who no matter what came about or was offered, they just couldn't seem to get past the experience and into hope. The difference may lay in the resilience and strength that they were endowed with from conception. So much contributes to our genetic makeup and pre and post natal life that we are not even beginning to tap.

My heart goes out to you. You must feel betrayed in every way. I pray that you will be able to accept the hope that Jesus offers and live in it. I also pray for your family and the family of the perpetrator. I really appreciate your articulating so well and sharing your feelings and thoughts. It is truly helpful for others who walk in this confusion. I know that I will not understand on this side of eternity, why God allows this and have personal difficulty excepting scriptural "platitudes." This tragedy shatters my rational thought and I can't even ascend to the supernatural level for understanding. I just have to stand in faith and agreement that God is there and He is real.

I do trust God. I do know that "greater is He that is in me than he that is in the world." It seems that I am just not able in this life to grasp the depth of His word in such a way to explain and/or justify circumstances such as you experienced. I only know that someday I will meet my Father in heaven face to face and all will be revealed. Until then "Help my unbelief, Father God." I pray for you and your family. God bless you.
 
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God did not answer my prayers for my daughter's safety, or my daughter's prayers for the abuse to stop.
There are things that God expects us to do for ourselves. Some people even believe that is why we are here on this earth. There are areas where up to 50% of the children are abused. 20% is the usual amount. Women by the time they are 30 are onto men. By then they learn to take authority and control.

The problem with counseling is that they try to heal memories and that does not work very well. God goes back into the past, to when the event took place to bring about healing. Somehow all of this needs to be resolved between people in Heaven. The Bible does talk about forgiveness.

My father and my brother were Pediatricians and my other brother is a child psychologist. So they are professionals and this is the sort of thing they did for a living. But they never talk about it so people do not know how much of this sort of thing goes on.

It may be a good idea for parents to put their children in classes where they can learn to protect and defend themselves. Do you think maybe the church should do more to educate people about this?

God can even go back generations. There are people who believe that they have inherited the trauma suffered by their ancestors. They say they can feel it in the blood. God is able to go back and heal all of that.
 
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God expects people to learn how to do things for themselves. Most people believe it has something to do with free will. I had a pastor who said the devil just wants to get his big toe in the door. Then he can force the rest of his way in if we allow just a little bit. We are the gate or the doorkeeper. Jesus said: "I am the gate". (John 10:9)

Matthew 7:14 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.

All of creation waits for redemption. I believe you are right. People will learn and understand things in Heaven that we do not understand here. I struggle with the same thing you do. Why does God allow things.
 
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