The Communist Takeover Of America - 45 Declared Goals - Goal by Goal

98cwitr said:

Care not to strawman the site host, and address the points? Are you saying the list is fabricated by non-Communists?

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The list mirrors others I have seen on Communist plots to take over the US. It is probably legit.

What is NOT legit is calling it "Zionist."

98cwitr said:

Whoops...I always confuse my fallacy definitions; ignoring the list while attacking the site is an ad hominem, not a strawman. May bad.

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I'm sorry, but if you wanted to quote Mein Kampf, I'd feel justified dismissing the source. Grats on finding the website equivalent of it.

98cwitr said:

Whoops...I always confuse my fallacy definitions; ignoring the list while attacking the site is an ad hominem, not a strawman. May bad.

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You are still dodging the question.

What do you think Zionism is?

98cwitr said:

Specifically uses the phrase "Global Zionism"...completely different context and meaning. No need to get hung up on a single word.

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Global Zionism is a very old antisemitic trope that there is a secretive cabal of Jews that run everything behind the scenes. Perhaps most famously laid out in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which your amazing site links to, a propaganda piece written to stir up anti-Jewish sentiment in Russia. The idea was also used by Hitler. Literally. I'm not comparing it to Hilter; he spoke about this.

98cwitr said:

Specifically uses the phrase "Global Zionism"...completely different context and meaning. No need to get hung up on a single word.

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"Global Zionism" is returning Jews from everywhere.

India. China. The US. Russia. Europe.

The list has NOTHING to do with Zionism of any stripe. It is just a blatant antisemitic jab.

There was a booklet circulating around before WW1 which said that Jews were going to take over the world marketing system. It was quoted by the Nazis to bolster their killing the Jews. Perhaps the term is a reference to that old (and disproved) conspiracy theory.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion - Wikipedia

98cwitr said:

You know the website is quoting the congressional record of January 10th, 1963 right?

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The man never said Zionism once in his remarks.

98cwitr said:

Zionism is the return of the Jews is Israel. Global zionism, as I understand it, is to form a one world government, and has nothing to do with Judaism.

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"Zion" is the name of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. How can it have nothing to do with Judaism?

Bruh, if you wanna talk about Jews, just talk about Jews. "Global Zionism" is a weird cop-out.

LoAmmi said:

The man never said Zionism once in his remarks.

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The link was never made; just used the term "Zionism" a few times in his opening paragraphs.

98cwitr said:

SPLC is known to mischaracterize people that they don't like and discredit them. No one wants to look at the list and would rather throw ad hominems around?

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Actually all they did was compile what he's said many times in his career. You want to quote a famous anti-semite pro-nazi supporter in your OP shouldn't you be prepared to discuss the source of your information?
tulc(thinks that seems to be pretty obvious that was bound to happen)

Barely 40 minutes old and this thread explains soooooo much. This is great.

98cwitr said:

The list is in the congressional record:

Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 .

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Right. Congressmen can read anything they want into the record. In this case it was a list composed by W. Cleon Skousen.

W. Cleon Skousen - Wikipedia

98cwitr said:

As a huge Ben Shapiro fan and a Christian, I abhor antisemitism. While the owner of the website might be antisemitic (I usually don't just to such conclusions on a whim), the list was comprised and delivered to congress in 1963. Now if you wish to discuss the points of the list, which Rense did not author, I invite you to do so.

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Well, as a huge Ben Shapiro fan, perhaps you could find this list in a less terrible locations, where the first part of the article that was authored by Rense specifically attacks Jews? Perhaps not link people on this forum to a site that actively pushing anti-Jewish sentiment?