Emotions . . . Biblical theology . . .

com7fy8 · Jul 3, 2019

Do emotions have spiritual roots? Provide scripture which says what you say, if possible.

And, therefore, what is the main and best basic way to handle troubling emotions?

Does Jesus have emotions, in His love, and does Jesus in us share these emotions with us, so we are feeling what He is feeling and we are moved by what is emotionally moving Jesus???? scripture

Or, if you do not have or know which scripture, please share what authority you are going by. If it simply is your opinion from experience, please share for discussion and evaluation by anyone who might have scripture about it

nonaeroterraqueous · Jul 3, 2019

Dividing between body and spirit is a tricky discussion, and I don't expect to get far with this crowd, but the most essential way I know of distinguishing between the two is to say that all experience is spiritual. It may not be an accurate experience, and it probably originates with the body, but while a thought may happen in a physical brain, the experience of the thought is necessarily spiritual. No physical thing is capable of experience.

Therefore, if the brain formulates an emotion, whether rational or not, the experience of that emotion happens in the spirit. There must necessarily be a place in the spirit to accept that input. I think that emotions are largely a product of a physical brain, but I must also accept that the spirit is innately emotional, also, in a fashion, or such an experience would never translate from one to the other, and the motivation would remain subconscious.

trophy33 · Jul 3, 2019

com7fy8 said:
Do emotions have spiritual roots? Provide scripture which says what you say, if possible.

And, therefore, what is the main and best basic way to handle troubling emotions?

Does Jesus have emotions, in His love, and does Jesus in us share these emotions with us, so we are feeling what He is feeling and we are moved by what is emotionally moving Jesus???? scripture Or, if you do not have or know which scripture, please share what authority you are going by. If it simply is your opinion from experience, please share for discussion and evaluation by anyone who might have scripture about it

"But the fruit of the Spirit is .... self-control."
Gal 5:22

Its quite hard to imagine somebody who is good in self-control while being driven by his emotions.

I think most of emotions are from the body - anger, sexual desires, fears. If its too frequent or too serious, it may have also some deeper spiritual cause.

com7fy8 · Jul 3, 2019

nonaeroterraqueous said:
all experience is spiritual.

I can see that this is true.

nonaeroterraqueous said:
No physical thing is capable of experience.

A very simple reason why this is true

After all, we understand, I think, as humans, that molecules and atoms have no feeling. We never worry that a hammer and a nail will suffer if the hammer hits the nail.

But, then, when our bodies feel some pain or pleasure, it can seem as though the physical body is feeling it. But I see how there could be coincidence of bodily activity and the experienced pain or pleasure. My consideration is that the spirit can get an experience from interacting with the body. And this is why in our hearts we can have desire to have physical pleasure or relief of pain. Because our conscious spirit can somehow experience what's happening physically. But yes this is complicated, if we want to get into various examples and issues.

nonaeroterraqueous said:
It may not be an accurate experience, and it probably originates with the body, but while a thought may happen in a physical brain, the experience of the thought is necessarily spiritual.

I think the spiritual thought can cause brain functions. But ones who do not believe in spiritual existence can insist the thought is only what can show on an E.E.G.

But may be it is like how your computer can show your thoughts. There is plenty of complicated stuff involved in showing a thought in your post. But spiritually inside yourself, here is where you experience that thought > but what shows on the computer is not conscious since it's physical.

So . . . have fun

In any case, I think God's word shows us that we can have all our thoughts in obedience to Jesus. And the source of this success is in the Holy Spirit. And this is a good way to be sharing with God, by how He is producing our thoughts and then we are living them with Him.

com7fy8 · Jul 3, 2019

nonaeroterraqueous said:
Therefore, if the brain formulates an emotion, whether rational or not, the experience of that emotion happens in the spirit.

Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? . . . the brain function or the spirit function? I think God is spiritual and He creates what is physical or creates what the physical does. And likewise, our spirit is where an emotion is started, because of how the emotion is attached to a desire and/or motive which would be of the heart which is spiritual

nonaeroterraqueous said:
but I must also accept that the spirit is innately emotional, also, in a fashion, or such an experience would never translate from one to the other, and the motivation would remain subconscious.

So, I understand we think differently about "the egg or the chicken" being first, unless you already have changed your mind after reading what I just offered, above

In any case, thank you for sharing, taking the time, and for whatever now you might please to share.

God bless you, too

com7fy8 · Jul 3, 2019

myst33 said:
Its quite hard to imagine somebody who is good in self-control while being driven by his emotions.

First, I note how our first two posters here have given quite unique answers. We certainly are not copies of each other, are we?

Thank you for sharing what you believe.

Ok > so, if we are speaking about humans in our selfish nature, yes our emotions can tend to be drives which are controlling, dominating, dictatorial and we do not control them very well. Not to mention how our attention can be all over the place.

But Jesus says He is "gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:28-30)

In Jesus love, I see how we can have emotions which are gentle and humble like Jesus. And therefore we have rest which is emotional with spiritual rootedness in the Holy Spirit. So, such emotions are with self-control of love.

But yes humans can be in love which is not self-controlled.

So, in case I am correct, certainly we need to submit to God so more and more we are sharing with Him in His love with His emotions and thinking being shared with us.

Jeshu · Jul 4, 2019

com7fy8 said:
Do emotions have spiritual roots? Provide scripture which says what you say, if possible.

And, therefore, what is the main and best basic way to handle troubling emotions?

Does Jesus have emotions, in His love, and does Jesus in us share these emotions with us, so we are feeling what He is feeling and we are moved by what is emotionally moving Jesus???? scripture Or, if you do not have or know which scripture, please share what authority you are going by. If it simply is your opinion from experience, please share for discussion and evaluation by anyone who might have scripture about it

Of course they are the expressions of the truths living in our hearts both good and bad. We have tons of bad emotions and also many good ones, though most of the time emotions can be both for good or for bad and are the results of us eating the fruit of good and evil.

Indeed any one who's ever been stuck with bad life knows that a lot of good emotions died when we lost the truth and a lot of bad emotions come to life. Fallen people who come to new life in Christ show us the opposite, where bad emotions die dies and good emotions are resurrected. Emotions are very much an expression of what lives in our spirit at any given moment in time.

For example in paradise where no one lied or did evil, guilt, shame, lust, murderous rage, envy, arrogance, selfishness, dishonesty, judgemental-ness, greed, racist feelings, craving, addictions, hopelessness, despair etc etc did not exist within the human nature. Yet us becoming both good and bad birthed bad emotions into our spiritual reality. Where bad life destroys our God given good life. Yet Jesus brings good life back into our inner reality again and restores a loving thankful, praising, fearless and joyful heart.

Peace.

Revelation 19:1-11
After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:

“Hallelujah!
Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,
for true and just are his judgments.
He has condemned the great prostitute
who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
He has avenged on her the blood of his servants.”

And again they shouted:

“Hallelujah!
The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever.”

The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God, who was seated on the throne. And they cried:

“Amen, Hallelujah!”

Then a voice came from the throne, saying:

“Praise our God,
all you his servants,
you who fear him,
both great and small!”

Then I heard what sounded like a great multitude, like the roar of rushing waters and like loud peals of thunder, shouting:

“Hallelujah!
For our Lord God Almighty reigns.
Let us rejoice and be glad
and give him glory!
For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear.”

(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.)

com7fy8 · Jul 4, 2019

Jeshu said:
Where bad life destroys good life yet Jesus brings good life back into our inner reality again and restores a loving thankful, praising, fearless and joyful heart.

In our human nature, I understand, what is better can be destroyed by what is worse. But as much as we mature in Jesus we are in His almighty strength so bad can not corrupt us.

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

Notice how the "beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit" is "incorruptible". To me, this means no Satanic spirit emotion or feeling or lust can corrupt the "gentle and quiet spirit" of God's love, since God's love has immunity almighty and shares this with us > for example >

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love." (1 John 4:18)

So, when I find I am giving in to bad stuff, I need to pray and trust God to correct me and make me stronger and more sensitive and submissive to Him.

From 1 Peter 3:4, I see how God's love is gentle and quiet; so His emotions of love are gentle and quiet. And so we can share with Him and become submissive to Him, by becoming more and more quiet in His love. And, of course, God's love is all-loving and generously forgiving. So, we become all-loving and generously forgiving, in the process of His correction.

So, then, we can not become deeply sound by hiding somewhere from this world's people and problem church people, but Jesus almighty and all-loving left Heaven itself and came here to reach and save us and share with us.

Radagast · Jul 5, 2019

com7fy8 said:
Do emotions have spiritual roots?

I would say yes, but none of your 4 options seem right.

com7fy8 · Jul 5, 2019

Radagast said:
none of your 4 options seem right.

I tried to add another one. I now do not remember what it is. But you are welcome to share here what you believe is correct . . . even though we might not be able to edit it in as another option in the poll.

Even so > still > I checked > I think the second and fourth choices are correct. Because I believe that spiritual beings have emotions, and they can share them with a human so the spiritual being's emotion is effecting the human's personality.

So, when I say emotions can have spiritual roots, I mean in sharing either with the Holy Spirit or with "the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." (in Ephesians 2:2)

If I am correct, then number two is correct.

And number four would be correct, if a wrong emotion started in Satan's spirit and worked in someone's "flesh", meaning one's sinful nature which is being corrupted by Satan's spirit. Ephesians 2:2 says Satan's disobedient spirit "works" in people who are disobedient. And this is how people become corrupted to be selfish. God's good creation did not get its own self to become selfish, but they were corrupted by Satan, in their nature. And I believe evil emotions, of selfishness, plus wrong ways of reacting are the result of a person giving in to the wrong spirit.

But Jesus is "gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." (in Matthew 11:28-30)

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

Jesus Christ's love changes us so we are gentle and humble and quiet in God's love. And the emotions of this love are gentle and humble and quiet.

But Satan's spirit is disobedient to this . . . anti-love, by getting us corrupted with dominating and dictatorial and nasty reacting stuff which is not gentle and quiet in God's love. And Peter talks about how there is "the corruption that is in the world through lust," in 2 Peter 1:4. I personally understand that "lust" is emotional stuff, and it corrupts people in their human nature, working in them to cause them to be disobedient; so it is from Satan's evil spirit, rooted in Satan's kingdom.

But Jesus is not emotionally dominating and dictatorial like the drives of lust which dominate people for pleasure and control. Jesus is kind and compassionate and sharing in God's own goodness of love and joy and peace. And His emotions of this are kind and sensitive and gentle.

So, in case I am correct about this, we can see what the Bible means is the cure for personality trouble.

"Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you." (James 4:7)

~Zao~ · Jul 6, 2019

Emotions proceed from the heart. Romans 10:10 the heart, not the mind, justifies.
Feelings are the language of the body, while thoughts are the language of the mind. Emotions are produced when our bodies and our mind communicate and reach agreement. The result is expression.
Iow, feelings, like that of the inner child, and the thoughts of the adult self, join together to ponder the essence in intuition. The expression is then the voice of the soul, which is the voice of the heart.

“For out of the heart cometh forth … “

Intuition is the receiver of the Spirit in the human spirit. New knowledge as truth, is built on previous truths, gained from concepts given and received intuitively. The intellect and intuition are separate functions. Intellect is soulish (soul-life) and intuition is a function of the human spirit.
Feelings, tied to thought, provide a glimpse into our inner and outer realities. Together they form the basis of the ability to reason. Emotions are an important vehicle for self-awareness.

Ephesians 4:17-24

The heart is the conscience of one's spirit plus the mind of one's soul. The heart is the administer for our spirit to express everything that is of the Spirit. And the soul, including what it feels from the outside, connects to the heart where all things are pondered. Yet we do not always do as we ought to do so ..... Therefore at this great 'meeting of the mind of the heart' our true self is revealed to us.

Psalms 4:4
Consider in your heart upon your bed, and be silent.
Proverbs 4:23
Keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.

Edit: I voted 2 but I really don’t know would have to be my answer now that I think about it. But I couldn’t erase the vote and none of the others seem to fit either.

com7fy8 · Jul 6, 2019

LoreneDD said:
Edit: I voted 2 but I really don’t know would have to be my answer now that I think about it. But I couldn’t erase the vote and none of the others seem to fit either.

Well, if 2 is correct, it is only part of what is involved, I think. I thought of what I believe is better than any of the four, but I forgot what that is! lolololol

So, may be we could offer your post as choice number 5

If I understand you correctly > I agree that the heart and mind are not totally separate in us. After all, among other things, Hebrews 4:12 says God's word is "a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." So, the heart has thoughts, and I would think thoughts are what are in our mind. Plus, our thoughts can be what we are intending to do, and our motives, which can be in our mind, but also in our hearts.

~Zao~ · Jul 6, 2019

com7fy8 said:
Well, if 2 is correct, it is only part of what is involved, I think. I thought of what I believe is better than any of the four, but I forgot what that is! lolololol

So, may be we could offer your post as choice number 5

If I understand you correctly > I agree that the heart and mind are not totally separate in us. After all, among other things, Hebrews 4:12 says God's word is "a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." So, the heart has thoughts, and I would think thoughts are what are in our mind. Plus, our thoughts can be what we are intending to do, and our motives, which can be in our mind, but also in our hearts.

haha, yah sure! It’s all on this old thread if you want to dig thru it to find more. The Nous of human spirit that relates to the Holy Spirit

com7fy8 · Jul 7, 2019

LoreneDD said:
It’s all on this old thread

Well, it does seem the mind and heart are related . . . even though, in the human body, ones claim the mind is in the brain and is not the heart or in the heart.

But what I got while reading your post in the other thread > of 2014 > is it could be the heart is you, like I think you said. And the mind is how you are > how you are in your heart can have to do with the character of your heart > this has to do with how you can be about things; so your mind can mean how your heart can be about things.

And in English, how you can be is "mind", plus acting on this is the verb "to mind" > this means what you mind and what you don't mind. I do mind if you look at me like that; I mind my manners; I mind things, meaning what I give attention to.

So, this has to do with our heart > what our heart cares about, because of how we are. And how our attention goes, because of how our heart is committed. So, now I can see that Paul means your heart is you and your mind is how your heart is > maybe we could say your disposition. Your mind can be the disposition of your heart.

And this can bring us to emotions > emotions come from motives. What we are committed to can decide what our emotions will be, and how we react to things and people. And how we are committed can be what your mind is . . . maybe we could say our mindset.

This is all connected to what really matters to us > to what we really mind.

What we really care about will get our attention.

So, don't we need prayer about this!!!!!

~Zao~ · Jul 8, 2019

com7fy8 said:
Well, it does seem the mind and heart are related . . . even though, in the human body, ones claim the mind is in the brain and is not the heart or in the heart.

But what I got while reading your post in the other thread > of 2014 > is it could be the heart is you, like I think you said. And the mind is how you are > how you are in your heart can have to do with the character of your heart > this has to do with how you can be about things; so your mind can mean how your heart can be about things.

And in English, how you can be is "mind", plus acting on this is the verb "to mind" > this means what you mind and what you don't mind. I do mind if you look at me like that; I mind my manners; I mind things, meaning what I give attention to.

So, this has to do with our heart > what our heart cares about, because of how we are. And how our attention goes, because of how our heart is committed. So, now I can see that Paul means your heart is you and your mind is how your heart is > maybe we could say your disposition. Your mind can be the disposition of your heart.

And this can bring us to emotions > emotions come from motives. What we are committed to can decide what our emotions will be, and how we react to things and people. And how we are committed can be what your mind is . . . maybe we could say our mindset.

This is all connected to what really matters to us > to what we really mind.

What we really care about will get our attention.

So, don't we need prayer about this!!!!!

The mind is purely physical, no doubt, but it is the tool of the vehicle that we’re living in now. Think about when all these things pass away and become new. The new thinking, in my limited calculations, would be from that point of intuition connected with the Holy Spirit. We will know, like animals know now, instinctively, but thru the intuition. Now we have the ability to figure this out for ourselves and I think that Ephesians 4:17-23 is the key to that. It explains that our mind(nous) can be darkened or enlightened according to that which is accredited to the old nature vs that which is accredited to the new.
Motives are another thing altogether. That’s what God judges us on.

com7fy8 · Jul 8, 2019

LoreneDD said:
The mind is purely physical, no doubt,

Did you mean to say the mind is "physical"?

"and be renewed in the spirit of your mind," (Ephesians 4:23)

~Zao~ · Jul 8, 2019

com7fy8 said:
Did you mean to say the mind is "physical"?

"and be renewed in the spirit of your mind," (Ephesians 4:23)

The brain that the mind functions in is physical. So ‘thinking' spiritually in a renewed way is what the verse says.

Emotions . . . Biblical theology . . .

Do our emotions have spiritual roots?

No, because emotions are only in our physical bodies

Yes, each emotion can be rooted in God's love . . . or in Satan's spirit

No > all emotions come only from physical brain chemistry and function

Yes > emotions can come from our "flesh", meaning our selfish nature which is spiritual and of sin

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