Creationists: Explain how the designer created and/or modified living things on Earth

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In terms of how the diversity of species formed, it's the theory of evolution. It's based on directly observable processes of changes in biological populations over time. This includes everything from how organisms reproduce, how genomes are replicated during reproduction, how changes to genomes occur via reproduction (genetic recombination, mutation, etc), how genomes form phenotypes, factors that effect population gene pools based on said phenotypes (selection, drift, etc), and so on.

Just to put it in context, your typical undergraduate textbook on evolution is anywhere from 600 to 800 pages long. And that's just to cover the basics. When you start looking at subsequent material, there are literally millions of publications to be found based on over a century of research, experimentation, observation, etc.

In contrast, the Bible has a few short passages that doesn't provide much beyond "God made some plants and animals". In terms of explanatory power, it's a bit lacking.
We are not talking about how the diversity of the species formed. We are talking about how life formed. The theory of evolution does not explain how life formed. It only seeks to explain how already existing life evolved. The floor is yours. Explain how life came to exist and explain how your explanation is more valid than, lets say, theistic evolution.
 
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We are not talking about how the diversity of the species formed. We are talking about how life formed. The theory of evolution does not explain how life formed. It only seeks to explain how already existing life evolved. The floor is yours. Explain how life came to exist and explain how you explanation is more valid than what the Bible claims.

For starters, this is my thread so I can talk about what I want. :p My OP is primarily concerned with explaining the diversity of life on Earth.

Though if you want to talk about the specific origin of life, we can talk about that too. I'll refer you to the work of Jack Szostak: Szostak Lab: Home

There's even a page which has some neat animations on how early protocells can form: Exploring Life's Origins: A Virtual Exhibit

Even the above references have more explanatory power than the Bible. So if you have more explanatory power for the creation of life via a designer, then by all means present it. Explain how a designer would go about creating the first life. What are the processes, mechanisms, forces, physical interactions, etc, involved?
 
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For starters, this is my thread so I can talk about what I want. :p My OP is primarily concerned with explaining the diversity of life on Earth.

Though if you want to talk about the specific origin of life, we can talk about that too. I'll refer you to the work of Jack Szostak: Szostak Lab: Home

There's even a page which has some neat animations on how early protocells can form: Exploring Life's Origins: A Virtual Exhibit

Even the above references have more explanatory power than the Bible. So if you have more explanatory power for the creation of life via a designer, then by all means present it. Explain how a designer would go about creating the first life. What are the processes, mechanisms, forces, physical interactions, etc, involved?
So you are shifting the goal post. I understand. Perhaps you should change the title of your OP to "Creationists explain how the designer modified living things on earth" and omit the "created" part.

Edit: From looking at Jack Szostak's work, it appears the answer to the origin to life on earth is "we don't know but we are still working on an answer."
 
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Working? Doesn't work for me.

Unless you're a professional biologist or work in an biology-related industry, that's mostly irrelevant.

Yet you have never proven it's fact, and go all wacky when someone asks you too, meaning it's "unknown" to you.

I've repeatedly referred you to educational material on the subject and you've refused to look at it every single time. That's still on you.
 
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So you are shifting the goal post. I understand. Perhaps you should change the title of your OP to "Creationists explain how the designer modified living things on earth" and omit the "created" part.

Please re-read the OP:

Therefore creationists should be able to explain the mechanisms, processes, forces, etc, involved in the creation and/or modification of living things on Earth via a designer.

I've given creationists the option to answer whichever they wish.

And even when it comes to the question of the origin of life, science currently offers more explanatory power in that regard. See the links I provided.
 
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That also is ridiculous. You weren't here 4.6 billion years ago... so you have conclusions that are drawn from theory with no ability to prove you point either. I have seen first hand when dates came back from a test saying one thing, and another lab comes back with entirely different dates. You cannot prove with >>100%<< certainty that you are correct. Therefore, there is some belief involved, whether you're willing to admit that, or not.
Nevertheless, the fossil record and geology show that life on earth began with bacteria a very, very, very long time ago - whether life it was billions of years ago or millions of years ago, it doesn't matter. But one thing is certain - science has proven that life on earth wasn't created in six literal days, meaning the Genesis creation accounts should be interpreted symbolically, not literally.
 
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Do we need to have another discussion about what constitutes an explanation?
Yes ... I'm familiar with the tactic.

Despite the fact we're given what God did, when He did it, where He did it, how He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were ... that's not good enough for academia.

Just out of curiosity, do you think God would stoop to academics to answer your question?

What would you do with that knowledge (or try to do with it) anyway?

(If I answered that question honestly, I'd get moderated.)
 
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how He did it,

We're not given this, that's the point.

Just out of curiosity, do you think God would stoop to academics to answer your question?

What would you do with that knowledge (or try to do with it)?

If I were a creationist, this would be the first thing I'd try to explore answering.

And besides, why would you think that a supernatural deity would have a problem with that?
 
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We're not given this, that's the point.
But you're given some of it (viz., He spake).

Are you familiar with the Prime Directive on Star Trek and why it was instituted?
 
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Once again I see creationists claiming that "creation" is a valid explanation for life on Earth.

Therefore creationists should be able to explain the mechanisms, processes, forces, etc, involved in the creation and/or modification of living things on Earth via a designer.

Disclaimer: Not interested in Bible quotes. I know what the Bible says and it doesn't explain anything. If you want to invoke God "speaking" things into existence or shaping people out of clay, you need to explain the mechanism, processes, forces, etc behind such an act.
Simple, everything you see in science, God did it. Without Him there would be no big bang, no theories, no opinions.
 
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What is the "non-creationist" explanation for life on Earth and how is it more "valid" than what the Bible claims?
because we can actually use it. Natural selection for engineering and medical research and common descent for medical research . If it weren’t an accurate description of nature we wouldn’t be able to use it.
 
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And how does speaking cause living things to appear? Explain the how.
I can't.

God was wise enough not to give us the whole story.

Deuteronomy 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

If you went back in time with the knowledge you have today, would you spill the beans?
 
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Please re-read the OP:
The OP says:
Once again I see creationists claiming that "creation" is a valid explanation for life on Earth.

Therefore creationists should be able to explain the mechanisms, processes, forces, etc, involved in the creation and/or modification of living things on Earth via a designer.

Disclaimer: Not interested in Bible quotes. I know what the Bible says and it doesn't explain anything. If you want to invoke God "speaking" things into existence or shaping people out of clay, you need to explain the mechanism, processes, forces, etc behind such an act.

So again. I ask what the is the "non-creationist" explanation of the "mechanisms, processes, forces, ect, involved in the creation of living things on Earth" without a designer and how is your explanation more valid than a biblical answer?

I've given creationists the option to answer whichever they wish.

And even when it comes to the question of the origin of life, science currently offers more explanatory power in that regard. See the links I provided.
From a creationist point of view, I believe that live evolved in the exact same way that a wolf can "evolve" into a Pomeranian or a poodle. Through selective breeding. God did not necessarily need to create every single species of life on earth. Only a feline, canine, reptile, equestrian, pachyderm, ect. Over time, new breeds will naturally evolve much like new dog breeds are made every other day. In regards to creationists being able to explain the modification of living things on Earth, there are numerous scientists who have provided a wealth of evidence that support theistic creation. However, because they do not fit with the religious paradigm of secular science, they are immediately dismissed. "We know God doesn't exist therefore we can only assume that all scientific evidence pointing toward a divine creator must be wrong."
 
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The OP says:

I know what the OP says I wrote it. Please note the "and/or" in the sentence you quoted. It gives an option to do either A or B, or both A and B. That's how the "and/or" in a sentence works. ;)

So again. I ask what the is the "non-creationist" explanation of the "mechanisms, processes, forces, ect, involved in the creation of living things on Earth" without a designer and how is your explanation more valid than a biblical answer?

I already responded to this.

From a creationist point of view, I believe that live evolved in the exact same way that a wolf can "evolve" into a Pomeranian or a poodle. Through selective breeding. God did not necessarily need to create every single species of life on earth. Only a feline, canine, reptile, equestrian, pachyderm, ect. Over time, new breeds will naturally evolve much like new dog breeds are made every other day.

Do you believe that God selectively bred animals then? That God effectively evolved life over time to create the diversity we see today?

Is this process still ongoing? Can we see it in action?

In regards to creationists being able to explain the modification of living things on Earth, there are numerous scientists who have provided a wealth of evidence that support theistic creation. However, because they do not fit with the religious paradigm of secular science, they are immediately dismissed. "We know God doesn't exist therefore we can only assume that all scientific evidence pointing toward a divine creator must be wrong."

I'm not particularly interested in this thread turning into a debate over whether there is evidence for creationism/ID. I'm interested in the explanations as to how these allegedly things took place.
 
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