Creationists: Explain how the designer created and/or modified living things on Earth

[pitabread]

Once again I see creationists claiming that "creation" is a valid explanation for life on Earth.

Therefore creationists should be able to explain the mechanisms, processes, forces, etc, involved in the creation and/or modification of living things on Earth via a designer.

Disclaimer: Not interested in Bible quotes. I know what the Bible says and it doesn't explain anything. If you want to invoke God "speaking" things into existence or shaping people out of clay, you need to explain the mechanism, processes, forces, etc behind such an act.

 

[VirOptimus]

The silence will be deafening.

 

[-Sasha-]

I'm not sure what you're asking for. Wouldn't the force be the power of the Creator, the process be His will? Or are you asking for the physical processes by which this will is expressed?

 

[pitabread]

I'm not sure what you're asking for. Wouldn't the force be the power of the Creator, the process be His will? Or are you asking for the physical processes by which this will is expressed?

Essentially both. Words like power and force by themselves don't actually tell us anything.

We need to understand what that power is, how it interacts with physical matter, and what the process by which living things are created and/or modified via said process.

It's like if you asked how a construction firm built a building. You wouldn't just stop at the "power of the construction firm". You'd get into details as how they did the necessary engineering, excavation, built a foundation, framed out the structure, etc.

The latter is what constitutes an explanation for how something occurred.

 

[Brightmoon]

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if you children wanted to be doctors they’de have to take mainstream biology courses . A lot of colleges won’t accept pseudoscience courses from bible colleges for science or pre med majors . I know for a fact that CUNY won’t .

 

[Anthony Edgar]

Once again I see creationists claiming that "creation" is a valid explanation for life on Earth.

Therefore creationists should be able to explain the mechanisms, processes, forces, etc, involved in the creation and/or modification of living things on Earth via a designer.

You're barking up the wrong tree. Creation, by definition is a miracle. Miracles, by definition, defy explanation. You can't demand a scientific explanation for a religious belief based on faith - religion and science are two very different games.

 

[pitabread]

No, we don't have to explain anything. We are free to believe whatever we want, and you are free to believe whatever you want. Who cares? Do you not have anything better to do with your life than post on a Christian forum on topics aimed only at causing strife?

Allow me to direct you to this: Statement of Purpose - Creation & Evolution Statement of Purpose

The Creation & Evolution Forum is a discussion and debate forum and is open to non-believers to address the similarities and differences of creation and evolution. ​

So you'll forgive me if this forum seems like the exact appropriate place for this particular topic. If it offends you though, you are more that welcome to ignore this thread.

 

[-Sasha-]

Essentially both. Words like power and force by themselves don't actually tell us anything.

We need to understand what that power is, how it interacts with physical matter, and what the process by which living things are created and/or modified via said process.

It's like if you asked how a construction firm built a building. You wouldn't just stop at the "power of the construction firm". You'd get into details as how they did the necessary engineering, excavation, built a foundation, framed out the structure, etc.

The latter is what constitutes an explanation for how something occurred.

I see what you mean. In explaining the precise processes, I think observation, human reason, etc. are the best methods we currently have. I doubt they are 100% accurate, because we don't have an objective point of observation & we lack a lot of information, but it can sometimes be accurate enough to have predictive power at least. I don't think these sorts of scientific explanations negate either the existence of a Creator who designed what we're observing, or that His "power" or "energy" is what allows for its continued existence and functionality.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationists: Explain how the designer created and/or modified living things on Earth.

Miracles.

 

[Speedwell]

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Yes, but this discussion is not about the existence of God or accepting Christ as Savior. And nobody is mocking God, not even the atheists party to the discussion.

 

[pitabread]

Miracles.

Do we need to have another discussion about what constitutes an explanation?

 

[Brightmoon]

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It’s because as Laplace once stated ( paraphrased) God is not necessary to explain a natural phenomena . And you don’t have to be an atheist to understand that.

 

[pitabread]

When the OP says they want a play by play account of the scientific process of creation but then won't allow the one book that gives us some insights into what God did...

The Bible doesn't explain how it says God did what he did. You need to do better than just Bible quotes.

I included that disclaimer to avoid having to go explaining why the Bible is thoroughly inadequate as an explanation for how an alleged designer created and/or modified living things.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The silence will be deafening.

I heard myself laughing once again, and quite clearly, at that.

Once again I see creationists claiming that "creation" is a valid explanation for life on Earth.

Yep. All starts with, it makes much more sense than the alternative of pretty much happened on it's on (see why I was laughing now?

Therefore creationists should be able to explain the mechanisms, processes, forces, etc, involved in the creation and/or modification of living things on Earth via a designer.

Can you explain your idea of creation...no? Then why should we try to do something that is as unknown to us as yours is to you?

Actually, common sense dictates you should have know both those are unknown/lost in time, so???

 

[pitabread]

Can you explain your idea of creation...no?

I'll leave that up to you. I wouldn't want to get accused of leading anyone in that regard.

If you don't want to take a stab at it, that's fine too.

Then why should we try to do something that is as unknown to us as yours is to you?

I don't know what you mean by "as unknown to us as yours is to you". For example, we have a working scientific theory of evolution that explains the diversity of life on Earth based on observable processes that we can actually see happening in nature continuously.

We don't have a working theory of creation that does the same. This thread is to see if creationists have anything to offer. But like you say, it's probably not going to happen is it?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Once again I see creationists claiming that "creation" is a valid explanation for life on Earth.

Therefore creationists should be able to explain the mechanisms, processes, forces, etc, involved in the creation and/or modification of living things on Earth via a designer.

Disclaimer: Not interested in Bible quotes. I know what the Bible says and it doesn't explain anything. If you want to invoke God "speaking" things into existence or shaping people out of clay, you need to explain the mechanism, processes, forces, etc behind such an act.

What is the "non-creationist" explanation for life on Earth and how is it more "valid" than what the Bible claims?

 

[Kenny'sID]

I don't know what you mean by "as unknown to us as yours is to you". For example, we have a working scientific theory of evolution that explains the diversity of life on Earth based on observable processes that we can actually see happening in nature continuously.

Working? Doesn't work for me.

Yet you have never proven it's fact, and go all wacky when someone asks you too, meaning it's "unknown" to you. One hardly has to read between the lines.

 

[Kenny'sID]

What is the "non-creationist" explanation for life on Earth and how is it more "valid" than what the Bible claims?

Bingo!

 

[pitabread]

What is the "non-creationist" explanation for life on Earth and how is it more "valid" than what the Bible claims?

In terms of how the diversity of species formed, it's the theory of evolution. It's based on directly observable processes of changes in biological populations over time. This includes everything from how organisms reproduce, how genomes are replicated during reproduction, how changes to genomes occur via reproduction (genetic recombination, mutation, etc), how genomes form phenotypes, factors that effect population gene pools based on said phenotypes (selection, drift, etc), and so on.

Just to put it in context, your typical undergraduate textbook on evolution is anywhere from 600 to 800 pages long. And that's just to cover the basics. When you start looking at subsequent material, there are literally millions of publications to be found based on over a century of research, experimentation, observation, etc.

In contrast, the Bible has a few short passages that doesn't provide much beyond "God made some plants and animals". In terms of explanatory power, it's a bit lacking.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I'll leave that up to you. I wouldn't want to get accused of leading anyone in that regard.

If you don't want to take a stab at it, that's fine too.



I don't know what you mean by "as unknown to us as yours is to you". For example, we have a working scientific theory of evolution that explains the diversity of life on Earth based on observable processes that we can actually see happening in nature continuously.

We don't have a working theory of creation that does the same. This thread is to see if creationists have anything to offer. But like you say, it's probably not going to happen is it?

I believe the point he is trying to make is how life came to exist in the first place. Evolution only seeks to explain how existing live evolved into what we know of it today. The question is how did this object (life) come to exist that makes the process (evolution) possible?