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As in .
..Its not works that save but works that prove faith.?
The oppurtunity of salvation being a gracious gift.
What we Do or do not do with it can squander it foolishly..
The foolish virgins...
The son who said he would Go but did not go work in the vineyard....
The wicked slothful servant that was "Gifted" the talant lost even what he had.. He lost the gift by what he did or did not do with it.
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If you can take the trouble of putting it forward prima facia, I and maybe others can show you how it doesn't say what you think it says.
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I know. What He said was that His sheep hear His voice and follow.
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I have a question and a comment.
How do you personally understand what ''the Gospel'' is and means, that would be valuable for dialogue.
Also, Christ said he came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it Matthew 5:17. So it could be argued that following Christ is faith and law combined.
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The gospel is the finished work of Christ. He not only bore the punishment for our sin, He also lived the perfect life for us. So in regards to Matt 5:17, He fulfilled the law. If we are in Christ, it’s as if we, too, have fulfilled it.
And in most cases, when I make a law/gospel distinction, it’s not always the Mosaic law that I have in mind. It’s any rule or work that someone thinks is necessary for salvation apart from faith in Christ. What it’s not is an idea that we can be antinomians and have no law at all. Those who have placed their faith and trust in Christ will be transformed, and will want to do good works, but out of love for Christ and not out fear that one will lose favor with God if they don’t perform.
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John 10
7Therefore Jesus said again, "Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep.
Very rarely does prima facie convey the actual meaning. Else commentaries would remain on the book shelves. In your case, the answer to the question I asked may not even be in the the passage you quoted. You could have got the wrong interpretation of the content.
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It does. It means that we read it as it was intended. If I read that the A’s beat the Rangers last night, I don’t need a long explanation that they didn’t take their bats and started beating the other team.
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Isn't the revelation that faith alone saved Abraham and can similarly save us the REAL good news? Why would Christ need to come into the picture? We could keep believing and finally be found so righteous that God would be fully satisfied, like He was satisfied on Mt Moriah, with Abraham.
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That's why I keep repeating that God didn't make the credit happen. It's never said anywhere.
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Yes it does.
Then he believed in the Lord; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.
— Genesis 15:6
Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God.
— Romans 5:1-2
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Leviticus 7
18If any meat of the fellowship offering is eaten on the third day, the one who offered it will not be accepted. It will not be reckoned to their credit, for it has become impure; the person who eats any of it will be held responsible.
By that logic, ie. if reckoning means doing, then God made the unacceptable sacrifice here.
So Abraham didn't go to heaven? Alternately, if God can forgive sin without Christ dying, why insist on it?
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First, Abraham was justified without the law, second, all the prophets, including Christ, rebuked Israel for not producing fruit ( the land owner sent His Son to collect RENT). No mention of law.
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Its irrelevant that the law came later because Christ still had to fulfill that law regardless. Also, didn't Abraham sacrifice sheep to God?
Genesis 22:6 Abraham took the wood for the burnt offering and placed it on his son Isaac, and he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them went on together, 7 Isaac spoke up and said to his father Abraham, “Father?”
“Yes, my son?” Abraham replied.
“The fire and wood are here,” Isaac said, “but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?”
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Why fix it of it ain't broke? Abraham believed and got the same results. We don't want no s*****n Law? And like you mentioned, there was a proto Law: sheep sacrifice. We really don't want no yada yada yada...
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