Meet the Democratic candidates for 2020

Michie said:

*You are in the Catholic forum*

The largest field in history is running against President Trump.

(Here are the hopefuls and where they stand on key issues of concern to Catholics).

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Meet the Democratic Candidates for 2020

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Several candidates — including Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard and Ohio Rep. Tim Ryan, a Catholic — were once pro-life but subsequently changed their opposition in the face of an inflexible requirement that any serious figure in a presidential run in the Democrat Party today must be for abortion with no limits or restrictions.

Biden, a Catholic, himself was opposed to abortion when he arrived in the Senate in 1973. He abandoned his position over the years as his party grew increasingly extreme in its embrace of abortion.

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For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?

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Michie said:

*You are in the Catholic forum*

The largest field in history is running against President Trump.

(Here are the hopefuls and where they stand on key issues of concern to Catholics).

Continued below.
Meet the Democratic Candidates for 2020

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So please somebody cut to the chase for me. Which Democratic candidates are pro-life? I know, I know, read the link.

Since the party led ostracising of Bob Casey Sr in 1992, there are very few pro-life Democrats with any power in the party.

Michie said:

And what the deal with the comment??

( I know, I know, read the link.)

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Many times people comment without bothering to read the linked material. My comment was too subtle in pointing back to the article.

And I knew there were no pro-life Democrats running for president. But imagine if there actually was one that could survive the party machinery attacks and win enough primaries to win the nomination. Impossible I know. But Trump would be in real trouble then.

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I will go on record to say that I will never, never, ever again vote for another Democrat, under any circumstances, situations, or conditions whatsoever again. The people who are running that party and promulgating its platforms are completely, utterly, stark, staring, ranting, raving, drooling, babbling mad. They have totally lost their grip on both sanity and reality. They are dangers to themselves and others. This is simply my personal opinion, of course----and I'm not a fan of the Republicans, either, but I will at least vote for a Republican if it means making sure a Democrat won't get into office.

Wolseley said:

I will go on record to say that I will never, never, ever again vote for another Democrat, under any circumstances, situations, or conditions whatsoever again. The people who are running that party and promulgating its platforms are completely, utterly, stark, staring, ranting, raving, drooling, babbling mad. They have totally lost their grip on both sanity and reality. They are dangers to themselves and others. This is simply my personal opinion, of course----and I'm not a fan of the Republicans, either, but I will at least vote for a Republican if it means making sure a Democrat won't get into office.

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I pose to you a different possibility, which is to vote for a good candidate when one comes along, of any party. I doubt the Democrats will put up a good candidate in my lifetime. But the Republicans can blow it too, like they did with Trump. So look around outside of the two parties for someone not stark raving mad. Republican madness is not a virtue when it is only a bit less mad as Democratic Party madness. It really is time for a third party.

chevyontheriver said:

I pose to you a different possibility, which is to vote for a good candidate when one comes along, of any party.

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The problem you run into there is that candidates which are vetted and funded by political parties usually end up being controlled by the specific party. And what the party wants or demands may be 180° opposed to what the voters want.

I doubt the Democrats will put up a good candidate in my lifetime.

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I agree.

But the Republicans can blow it too, like they did with Trump.

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I voted for Trump for one reason: the alternative was unthinkable. Whatever one may think about Trump one way or the other, if Hillary Clinton had gotten in office, within six months we would have been living in a police state that would have made the Soviet Union look benevolent by comparison. That woman is 100% pure, unadulterated evil.

So look around outside of the two parties for someone not stark raving mad. Republican madness is not a virtue when it is only a bit less mad as Democratic Party madness. It really is time for a third party.

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I've covered this before, too, but it never hurts to bring it up again. The election laws are written by Republicans and Democrats, and they are not about to open things up to a system that might lead to their own demise. So, they throw every roadblock in the way of non-Republican, non-Democrat candidates that they possibly can, to bleed the funding from them, to tie them up in complex legal requirements, to do everything that they can, in short, to cause the non-party candidate to despair of the whole mess, throw up their hands, and quit.

That's one of the reasons why Trump was able to come in as a non-party vetted candidate: the man has enough money to hire the battalions of lawyers necessary to navigate through the expensive, complicated mess that our election process consists of and still remain viable. If you happen to be a member of the Old Boy Club, of course, the party will pay for all that stuff; if you're not (and Trump wasn't) then you better be pretty well-heeled, or you won't make it far, and the two major parties will make sure of that, make no mistake.

This link is quite a few years old now, but the system hasn't changed; it's the best exposition I have encountered to explain what it's like for a candidate to attempt a run for office without the backing of one of the two major parties: The Two-Party Monopoly

Wolseley said:

I've covered this before, too, but it never hurts to bring it up again. The election laws are written by Republicans and Democrats, and they are not about to open things up to a system that might lead to their own demise. So, they throw every roadblock in the way of non-Republican, non-Democrat candidates that they possibly can, to bleed the funding from them, to tie them up in complex legal requirements, to do everything that they can, in short, to cause the non-party candidate to despair of the whole mess, throw up their hands, and quit.

That's one of the reasons why Trump was able to come in as a non-party vetted candidate: the man has enough money to hire the battalions of lawyers necessary to navigate through the expensive, complicated mess that our election process consists of and still remain viable. If you happen to be a member of the Old Boy Club, of course, the party will pay for all that stuff; if you're not (and Trump wasn't) then you better be pretty well-heeled, or you won't make it far, and the two major parties will make sure of that, make no mistake.

This link is quite a few years old now, but the system hasn't changed; it's the best exposition I have encountered to explain what it's like for a candidate to attempt a run for office without the backing of one of the two major parties: The Two-Party Monopoly

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All the more reason to abandon the TweedleDee Party and the TweedleDum Party and work for those outside of the Monopoly.

chevyontheriver said:

I pose to you a different possibility, which is to vote for a good candidate when one comes along, of any party. I doubt the Democrats will put up a good candidate in my lifetime. But the Republicans can blow it too, like they did with Trump. So look around outside of the two parties for someone not stark raving mad. Republican madness is not a virtue when it is only a bit less mad as Democratic Party madness. It really is time for a third party.

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I was going to be a third party voter for a time. I even briefly registered with the American Solidarity Party, but I just can't be convinced that the numbers will ever be there. Now, I grant you, the GOP lost the popular vote anyway and still won so I don't know whether my argument holds water to begin with. I just would hate to see the margin come down to a handful of votes and be the difference in a Dem takeover that leads to a real gutting of our countries morality.

Fenwick said:

I was going to be a third party voter for a time. I even briefly registered with the American Solidarity Party, but I just can't be convinced that the numbers will ever be there. Now, I grant you, the GOP lost the popular vote anyway and still won so I don't know whether my argument holds water to begin with. I just would hate to see the margin come down to a handful of votes and be the difference in a Dem takeover that leads to a real gutting of our countries morality.

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I hear you. It would be awful to be the one voter that led to the communizing of the whole country by not voting for the lesser of two evils.

And yet it is unacceptable to me to be voting for the lesser of two evils when there are more than two candidates. I feel bad voting for a candidate towards the bottom of the barrel when I can vote for a good person instead. It does seem wrong.

We had a situation in my home state, which routinely votes blue. Hillary squeaked out a victory by the tiniest of margins. McMullen got more votes than her margin of victory. So did the Libertarian Party candidate. The Green Party candidate almost got that many votes. I didn't have to feel bad that I caused Hillary's victory (even though I campaigned hard for McMullen) because she lost the electoral college. I'm glad she lost there. But the boor that did get elected doesn't please me.

It was obvious that one of those two unacceptable candidates was going to win. Why? because one side hated candidate X and plugged their noses to vote for candidate Y, while the other side plugged their noses to vote for candidate X to stop the hated candidate Y. Few bothered to find a better one because, of course, everybody knew they had no chance and you shouldn't 'waste' your vote. So we got one of the two worst candidates. Hurrah! We didn't get the other one.

The Solidarity Party seems to have lead boots on. In this moment where we are ripe for new parties to bury the failed Democratic Party AND the Trump Party, they don't seem to have the vision thing about how to actually grow. Maybe that will change and on Monday they will get some fire in their belly. I don't know.

chevyontheriver said:

The Solidarity Party seems to have lead boots on. In this moment where we are ripe for new parties to bury the failed Democratic Party AND the Trump Party, they don't seem to have the vision thing about how to actually grow. Maybe that will change and on Monday they will get some fire in their belly. I don't know.

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If a compelling and legitimately qualified candidate were to join the race in the ASP, I'd probably back them. But the guy they put forward in 2016 was laughable.

We need a statesmen. Someone who hearkens back to the grandness of our Founding Fathers with dignity, someone who quells the moral rebellion of our society with authority, and curbs this campaign the left is waging that's trying to rewrite history and the English language like they're some Orwellian Ministry of Truth. Someone with a rich education who can actually put forward strong ideas to govern our country.

Fenwick said:

If a compelling and legitimately qualified candidate were to join the race in the ASP, I'd probably back them. But the guy they put forward in 2016 was laughable.

We need a statesmen. Someone who hearkens back to the grandness of our Founding Fathers with dignity, someone who quells the moral rebellion of our society with authority, and curbs this campaign the left is waging that's trying to rewrite history and the English language like they're some Orwellian Ministry of Truth. Someone with a rich education who can actually put forward strong ideas to govern our country.

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So where is a statesman that I might vote for him (or her)? Democrats got any? Is Trump a statesman? Given their very short supply in the Big Two parties I don't think I should feel compelled to stick with the Big Two parties.

What? Do I have to run?

chevyontheriver said:

All the more reason to abandon the TweedleDee Party and the TweedleDum Party and work for those outside of the Monopoly.

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I agree with you on this, Chevy. The right wing and the left wing are part of the same bird and they are both foul. Just take a look at the two final nominees who were chosen to represent these parties during the last presidential election. If Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton were the best nominees that each of these two major political parties could produce to represent their party as a whole, then the entire political system in America is truly screwed up and is in dire need of a major overhaul.

Was there honestly a 'lesser than two evils' during the last election? Are Donald Trump's sins worse than Hillary Clinton's sins or vice versa? If both are blatantly guilty of perpetually lying and both are guilty of a multiple of other sinful behavior, then which one of them is the lesser of two evils?

(I'm not trying to argue and debate... I'm only trying to be involved in this discussion)

chevyontheriver said:

What? Do I have to run?

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Hey if you did, I'd vote for ya.

That's my point though, I don't know why we're all lowering the bar for a qualified candidate. I mean, nobody looking for the Democratic nomination has any class, any tact, or any morals, and I question their qualifications given the Marxist love-in they all seem to have just come from. And while the GOP might actually be stabilizing a bit, I've yet to see a shining example of someone who would champion good values. Tom Crenshaw might be the closest thing, but he's not running and I think he would have a hell of a time if he did.