Philly Catholic foster agency loses appeal to discriminate against gay people

RestoreTheJoy said:

So, one bio parent.

Wonder how much that costs? God's way is free. I cannot imagine intentionally depriving a child of a father (or a mother).

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The price is not your problem. A bad birth can cost heterosexuals a lot of money. Some hetrosexauls have to go through artificial insemination. And my nieces kids are lucky to have a relation ship with their bio dad. Even though the sperm came from a sperm bank.Plenty of uncles, nephews and grand parents. Which some adopted kids won't know their biological parents at all. Two loving parent trumps a mom and dad. That aren't the best parents.

RestoreTheJoy said:

You said this: Just as much as the Catholic ban on gay clergy says that priests have heterosexual sexual proclivities. Doesn't mean that either can't be celibate - meaning your claim that the group's problem was with behavior rather than orientation is incorrect.

I responded to demonstrate that indeed it is behavior inconsistent with Catholic values (and scripture) that is the issue.

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All I can conclude is that you totally missed my point.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Absolutely false. It is directly and specifically because the religious tenets define family, and the agency has always abided by this. Until now.

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The fact that the agency hides their discrimination behind religion doesn't mean they aren't practicing gender discrimination.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Same sex couples are not and cannot ever be "bio parents" (plural).

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False.

RestoreTheJoy said:

So, one bio parent.

Wonder how much that costs? God's way is free. I cannot imagine intentionally depriving a child of a father (or a mother).

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No need to imagine. There are religious groups, such as the one listed in this thread, are willing to deprive a child of a father (or a mother) simply based on the gender of the other parent.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Absolutely false. It is directly and specifically because the religious tenets define family, and the agency has always abided by this. Until now.

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there were no families before religion??? i think you're confused.

mala said:

there were no families before religion??? i think you're confused.

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Read a little more carefully. The agency has ALWAYS placed children with families (a married couple, mom and dad) based on its faith tenets. Not an issue until suddenly it is.

KCfromNC said:

No need to imagine. There are religious groups, such as the one listed in this thread, are willing to deprive a child of a father (or a mother) simply based on the gender of the other parent.

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Yes! There are. There are actually people willing to intentionally deprive children of being placed in a family, with a mom and dad, simply because pushing their agenda is more important. Shameful.

KCfromNC said:

False.

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True. Can either person be an actual biological parent based on a former marriage with someone of the opposite gender?

Yes. Can two same sex individuals - two men or two women- ever become bio parents together. Nope. Biology is a given. Man and a woman only, just as God determined and created us to procreate.

KCfromNC said:

The fact that the agency hides their discrimination behind religion doesn't mean they aren't practicing gender discrimination.

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Well, according to this tenuous "logic", God discriminates, as only a man and a woman can reproduce. The Catholic agency is just abiding by the pattern God established, and biology confirms.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

The price is not your problem. A bad birth can cost heterosexuals a lot of money. Some hetrosexauls have to go through artificial insemination. And my nieces kids are lucky to have a relation ship with their bio dad. Even though the sperm came from a sperm bank.Plenty of uncles, nephews and grand parents. Which some adopted kids won't know their biological parents at all. Two loving parent trumps a mom and dad. That aren't the best parents.

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You are trotting out a straw man here. Just because worse situations exist does not mean this situation is best for children. It isn't. A mom and a dad who love each other and the child is best.

RestoreTheJoy said:

You are trotting out a straw man here. Just because worse situations exist does not mean this situation is best for children. It isn't. A mom and a dad who love each other and the child is best.

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Loving parents are what's best for children. Gay parents are better , than a child staying in foster care.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Loving parents are what's best for children. Gay parents are better , than a child staying in foster care.

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yes but he "believes" that same sex parents (and probably anything outside the norm) would adversely affect the child (more so than anything else) so better to leave them in foster care than to "damn them for eternity" or whatever.
now is there any truth to his beliefs. no most definitely not.
at best that viewpoint is comically outdated (as in it has always belonged in the realm of fiction) and at worst it has enabled and encouraged abuse. i had a mother and a father. my father was a monster and an alcoholic. my mother raised me by herself and i am glad for it. according to these nuclear family people it would have been better if that had not happened and my mother had stayed with my father to keep a complete family unit regardless of the situation.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN said:

Loving parents are what's best for children. Gay parents are better , than a child staying in foster care.

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Still, it is interesting that the argument has been deflected. It has somehow been twisted around to imply that the government is forcing a Catholic adoption agency to act against its religious beliefs, when all that is really being argued is that federal funds should be withdrawn.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Yes! There are. There are actually people willing to intentionally deprive children of being placed in a family, with a mom and dad, simply because pushing their agenda is more important. Shameful.

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I know, I can't believe this agency is pushing their religious views onto people who don't want them instead of actually helping children.

RestoreTheJoy said:

True. Can either person be an actual biological parent based on a former marriage with someone of the opposite gender?

Yes.

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So, like I said, your claim was false.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Well, according to this tenuous "logic", God discriminates

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God is conspicuously absent from this situation. Lots of people talking about what they feel it would want, but it isn't showing for some reason.

RestoreTheJoy said:

So, only one bio parent, just as I said.

Wonder how much that costs? God's way is free. I cannot imagine intentionally depriving a child of a father (or a mother).

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I guess it is a good thing we are not limited by your imagination.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Read a little more carefully. The agency has ALWAYS placed children with families (a married couple, mom and dad) based on its faith tenets. Not an issue until suddenly it is.

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You can say the same about every issue. Slavery wasn't an issue until suddenly it was.

Nithavela said:

You fought a war over adopting children?

Which one was that? I believe you, I just don't know which of the dozens of wars the US fought was about adoption rights.

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The US fought a war over, among other things, whether or not human beings could be considered someone else's property, which that someone else was entitled to possess.