Heliocentric model explains it easily.
Nobody has ever been able to postulate a flat earth model in which these 3 basic simple things work together (day and night, seasons, moon phases).
It says something.
Brother...again this is being presumptuous on your part: God has shown as the Creator of our world that He has made day and night, the seasons, and the Moon phases possible on His flat earth with no problems. Didn't God tell this to Noah in His promise to not flood the whole world anymore? Just because you, me, nor anyone else are unable to fully explain these things on a flat earth does not disprove that God in His wisdom made it work. I believe that when we inherit the new heavens and the new earth promised to those of us who keep the instructions of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ, will have all of the mathematical equations explained. Otherwise why don't you pray to God to give you wisdom concerning this? I believe He will give you the answer if you ask Him instead of asking those of us who cannot comprehend these things.
I have just read my own posts in this thread and have noticed an apparent shift in my demeanor towards flat earthers. To begin I was saying that as Christians we should all share our opinions and be patient and respectful of each other.
However, the more I read their posts, the more depressed, irritable and frustrated I became. Some ad hominem attacks particularly annoyed me.
I thank you all for giving me this experience, but as I have already said, all I can do is pray for you, as I do with atheists and non-Christians, and let you go.
Brother Norman70...I laid out clear irrefutable evidence soly from the Word of God that He does not support a globe earth nor, any other kind of earth except for a flat earth. If you are convicted it is because the Word of God is convicting and pricking your heart. It's on you if you want to resist His Truth or hold onto your falsehood.
Tell me, is Genesis account described from the perspective of a human standing on dry land or is it from the perspective of somebody looking down at the galaxy?
If its from the human point of view (as it obviously is), there is no problem to solve. From our point of view, we do not move in space and the sun goes in the sky from east to west.
Oooo....huge misplay there brother....when Moses writes:
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In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
Moses is literally saying that God created the world first: therefore Moses would have had no earth to stand on at the time of his writing. Because this is not the case, it means then that he is recounting the events as they have been revealed to Him by God or an angel sent to Moses from God.
And of course from our view it looks that way...because it is precisely that way. Remember that God created the world and everything in it...and man and woman were the last of His creations to be put into the world: therefore the only vantage point He gave us was from the inside looking out. The Sun, Moon and stars move regardless of whether or not we are moving. This shouldn't be any surprise as the waters behave in the same manner, as do people and animals.
I have deliberately avoided joining in on the exchanges in this thread, but now I find the first mention of frames of reference. myst33 brings a sound explanation for our (us Christians together) differences of opinion.
The mathematical and physical concept of a frame of reference is so easy to understand. If we stand on the roadside the cars are moving past us, but if we are in one of the cars the trees are moving past us! Flat earthers are simply holding onto their frame of reference, and they are perfectly entitled to do that, which is different to ours.
Mathematics has been described as the language of God and science, in this case physics, as a gift of God. Therefore sisters and brothers let peace reign between us!
However, flat earthers must accept this too, release their literal interpretation of the whole of the Bible, and release their dependence on conspiracy theories in which there may be some truth.
This is a poor argument for if the trees were never moving to begin with then it stands that they never moved from their place at all: even a child is aware of this. When I take my children to the playground they know that the playground never moves but we move to and from it. That being said your frame of reference is a poor one. For when traveling to or from the park with my children we are moving to and from the park: the park has always remained in place...your theory for frame of reference would cause GPS to be a living nightmare! No travel could ever be successfully accomplished if places in the world decided to move away from us at will. But then again this is what happens when we lean on our own understanding instead of sticking to the Word of God which says that He has established the world on foundations that it shall not be moved.
The Bible nowhere says that the Earth is flat.
The Bible is full of colloquial metaphorical language like ... "the ends of the earth", "the four corners of the earth", "the pillars of the earth", etc.
Isaiah 40:22 says ... "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth; its dwellers are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."
The word
metaphor comes from the Greek word
metaphora which means 'to transfer'. That being said God in the passages dealing with the 'four corners of the earth' is not likening the earth having four corners to anything else with four corners.
As for your passage cited from Isaiah, note that Isaiah qualifies what he means by the circle of the earth: they are the outstretched heavens. And we know this to be true for God is sitting on this circle (i.e. the heavens): and this aligns with the words of David which says the Throne of God is heaven and the earth is His footstool. Therefore Isaiah is telling us that God is seated above the heavens looking down to us on the earth: and because of the great distance between heaven and earth, mankind looks like grasshoppers in His sight.
There is no "bible is flat" verse in the bible, but many places clearly imply that the authors thought it is. If you believe in "every word is perfect", i.e. in some kind of automatic dictation and a perfect preservation, you really will have a problem with the modern knowledge.
No, it's not what they think it is...the authors are stating it as a matter of fact with no need for an explanation. And again brother I have huge problems with Satan and the falsehood he has spread from the time he was cast out of heaven. I have no problem with ancient or modern knowledge so long as either does not conflict with truth: for God is Truth and never contradicts Himself.
