The Big Bang Theory

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 10, 2019

I had a few thoughts about the Big Bang theory. How did it happen. Did it happen spontaneously all of a sudden, or did someone or something light the fuse?

What was there before the Big Bang? The First Law to Thermodynamics says that energy cannot be created or destroyed. So it must have taken a humongous amount of energy to cause it. Where did it come from?

The most prominent and highly qualified scientists say that life has to come from life; that something that does not have life cannot produce life. This is a scientific law.

Therefore, if the Big Bang was a great fiery burst of energy creating mega temperatures that threw white hot material in all directions, wouldn't you think that everything would be sterile and totally devoid of life because of the great heat. We know that sterilizing medical implements kills all bacterial and makes them totally sterile. So, where did the life come from that produced life in the Primeval slime? A bolt of lightning couldn't have caused it because it is not life.

Also, science has proved that the universe is winding down like a clock. One day in the future the sun and stars would burn out. So, if the Big Bang happened a squillion billion years ago, or the universe has always been here, then would the sun and stars all be burned out by now?

It will be interesting if not done already, for scientists to calculate the rate at which the fuel of the sun is being burned up, and to calculate how long it will take for all the fuel in the sun to be used up and the sun will turn into a supernova. If, for instance, as the fuel in the sun burns up, it would get cooler, and just one degree cooler could causes many problems in the world. So, if it takes so many million years for the sun burns out, or that the sun cools down so that all life on earth becomes extinct, then it might be possible to calculate back to when the sun might have been one or two degrees hotter than it is now, causing life on earth not to survive. It would be interesting to find out whether it is millions or just thousands of years.

Your comments will be viewed with interest.

Jonathan Walkerin · Apr 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
It will be interesting if not done already, for scientists to calculate the rate at which the fuel of the sun is being burned up, and to calculate how long it will take for all the fuel in the sun to be used up and the sun will turn into a supernova.

Current estimates for our sun to turn in to a red giant and make our planet uninhabitable is something like five billion years. The mass of our sun is too low for it to become supernova.

Oscarr said:
The most prominent and highly qualified scientists say that life has to come from life; that something that does not have life cannot produce life. This is a scientific law.

Citation needed.

Oscarr said:
Also, science has proved that the universe is winding down like a clock. One day in the future the sun and stars would burn out. So, if the Big Bang happened a squillion billion years ago, or the universe has always been here, then would the sun and stars all be burned out by now?

Big bang theory is about the start of our current universe ; it does not mean that all the stars were created then. Stars are being born and dying all the time.

We are pretty new for researching this stuff and most of our findings are inconclusive at the moment. The time scale of these events are so long though that our species will not be around to worry about it.

Just because we do not have all the answers it is good idea not to fall for

Divine fallacy - Wikipedia

when thinking about cosmological theories.

trophy33 · Apr 10, 2019

Just a note, any current physical laws (like the laws of thermodynamics) apply in the universe, not outside of it or before it.

trophy33 · Apr 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
So, if the Big Bang happened a squillion billion years ago...

14 billion years ago

Oscarr said:
...then would the sun and stars all be burned out by now?

No, because stars had to form first, stars are not of the same age as the Big Bang.

Our sun is roughly 5 billion years old. And an average life span of a star is 10 billion years.

FireDragon76 · Apr 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
The most prominent and highly qualified scientists say that life has to come from life; that something that does not have life cannot produce life. This is a scientific law.

The best current evidence suggests that life came from non-life, that's called abiogenesis. Soviets did some experiments decades ago using electricity and chemicals that would have been present in the primordial Earth, and managed to make amino-acids, so the theory isn't without some evidence.

Also, science has proved that the universe is winding down like a clock. One day in the future the sun and stars would burn out. So, if the Big Bang happened a squillion billion years ago, or the universe has always been here, then would the sun and stars all be burned out by now?

Current evidence isn't that the universe is winding down, but accelerating and may eventually rip itself apart. There's all kinds of hypotheses about dark matter and dark energy to explain this.

It will be interesting if not done already, for scientists to calculate the rate at which the fuel of the sun is being burned up, and to calculate how long it will take for all the fuel in the sun to be used up and the sun will turn into a supernova. If, for instance, as the fuel in the sun burns up, it would get cooler, and just one degree cooler could causes many problems in the world.

The sun will become a red giant long before then and burn up the Earth and most of the nearby planets. That will happen in about 4-5 billion years or so.

So, if it takes so many million years for the sun burns out, or that the sun cools down so that all life on earth becomes extinct, then it might be possible to calculate back to when the sun might have been one or two degrees hotter than it is now, causing life on earth not to survive. It would be interesting to find out whether it is millions or just thousands of years.

Life on earth may be as old as four billion years old, according to scientists, possibly soon after the Earth formed oceans.

SinoBen · Apr 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
I had a few thoughts about the Big Bang theory. How did it happen. Did it happen spontaneously all of a sudden, or did someone or something light the fuse?

What was there before the Big Bang? The First Law to Thermodynamics says that energy cannot be created or destroyed. So it must have taken a humongous amount of energy to cause it. Where did it come from?

Well Big Bang scientists say that the universe is about 13.8 Billion years old. The Sun is about 4.6 Byo (middle-aged) and the Earth is 4.54 Byo. Taking into consideration the formation of the Elements as we find in the Periodic Table, and how those elements were produced as a result of the life cycle of stars, the earth is 3rd or 4th generation. The Sun's age is interesting because it is at it's most stable period earlier or later... they are catastrophic to Earth.

Anyway... I'll see where you want the direction of the thread to go before adding more.

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 10, 2019

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Current estimates for our sun to turn in to a red giant and make our planet uninhabitable is something like five billion years. The mass of our sun is too low for it to become supernova.

Informative.

Citation needed.

Biogenesis - Wikipedia

Big bang theory is about the start of our current universe ; it does not mean that all the stars were created then. Stars are being born and dying all the time.

We are pretty new for researching this stuff and most of our findings are inconclusive at the moment. The time scale of these events are so long though that our species will not be around to worry about it.

Just because we do not have all the answers it is good idea not to fall for

Divine fallacy - Wikipedia

when thinking about cosmological theories.[/QUOTE]
But the questions about it are interesting to think about.

SkyWriting · Apr 10, 2019

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Big bang theory is about the start of our current universe ; it does not mean that all the stars were created then. Stars are being born and dying all the time.

Yes. The theory covers the beginning of our entire Cosmos and the source of all known matter. It does not include a multi-verse theory where an infinite number of new universes are created every instant.

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 10, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
The best current evidence suggests that life came from non-life, that's called abiogenesis. Soviets did some experiments decades ago using electricity and chemicals that would have been present in the primordial Earth, and managed to make amino-acids, so the theory isn't without some evidence.

biogenesis
/ˌbʌɪə(ʊ)ˈdʒɛnɪsɪs/
noun

the synthesis of substances by living organisms.
- HISTORICAL
  the hypothesis that living matter arises only from other living matter.

Current evidence isn't that the universe is winding down, but accelerating and may eventually rip itself apart. There's all kinds of hypotheses about dark matter and dark energy to explain this.

It shows that if the universe was squadbillions of years old, it all would have happened by now.

The sun will become a red giant long before then and burn up the Earth and most of the nearby planets. That will happen in about 4-5 billion years or so.

I reckon it will happen long before that when God decides to wind it all up.

[/quote]Life on earth may be as old as four billion years old, according to scientists, possibly soon after the Earth formed oceans.[/QUOTE]
But where did the life come from? According to Biogenesis, something living had to have caused it.

usexpat97 · Apr 10, 2019

The most prominent and highly qualified scientists say that life has to come from life; that something that does not have life cannot produce life. This is a scientific law.

Which is fair. For that matter, by known SCIENTIFIC law, every thing has to have a cause. Yet we know that at least one thing in the beginning has to have no cause. Something had to be first; and that cannot have a cause. If it did, then it would not be first.

Also, Big Bang THEORY is just an attempt to explain red shift. It's possible that unknown astrophysical phenomena (such as in dark matter) cause photonic vibrations to dampen over extremely long distances. And if that's the case, back to the drawing board we go...

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 10, 2019

SinoBen said:
Well Big Bang scientists say that the universe is about 13.8 Billion years old. The Sun is about 4.6 Byo (middle-aged) and the Earth is 4.54 Byo. Taking into consideration the formation of the Elements as we find in the Periodic Table, and how those elements were produced as a result of the life cycle of stars, the earth is 3rd or 4th generation. The Sun's age is interesting because it is at it's most stable period earlier or later... they are catastrophic to Earth.

Anyway... I'll see where you want the direction of the thread to go before adding more.

If the universe is 13.8 billion years old, and the sun is just 4.6 billion years old, then how was it formed? It could not have been part of the material that blew in all directions with the big bang, because then it would be the same age as the rest of the universe.

And how come the sun is at just the right temperature to support life on earth? Someone must have designed it that way, because otherwise the chance of it happening spontaneously is about 5 squadrillion to 1, wouldn't it?

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 10, 2019

If there was a Big Bang, then our universe with the billions of stars and galaxies must have a central point somewhere. We have yet to have the blinding light from that Big Bang to reach us, because the universe is not expanding at the speed of light, therefore the light from the Big Bang should catch up sooner or later from the central point of the expanding universe. But we don't know how far from the central point our galaxy is. We could be close, halfway out, or right out on the rim. Who knows?

trophy33 · Apr 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
If the universe is 13.8 billion years old, and the sun is just 4.6 billion years old, then how was it formed?

Oscarr said:
And how come the sun is at just the right temperature to support life on earth?

This question does not actually have sense. In other phases of sun there was no life, logically.

Oscarr said:
Someone must have designed it that way, because otherwise the chance of it happening spontaneously is about 5 squadrillion to 1, wouldn't it?

Because we are on a Christian forums, I suppose we all believe that the universe is designed.

FireDragon76 · Apr 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
biogenesis
/ˌbʌɪə(ʊ)ˈdʒɛnɪsɪs/
noun

the synthesis of substances by living organisms.

HISTORICAL
the hypothesis that living matter arises only from other living matter.

It shows that if the universe was squadbillions of years old, it all would have happened by now.

I reckon it will happen long before that when God decides to wind it all up.

But where did the life come from? According to Biogenesis, something living had to have caused it.

There is no reason to think that biology had to have a cause in that manner.

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 10, 2019

Here's an interesting couple of verses:
"God hung the stars in the sky - the Dipper, Orion, the Pleiades, and the stars of the south. 10 We cannot understand the great things he does, and to his miracles there is no end" (Job 9:9-10).

This suggests that there was no Big Bang at all! But God put all the galaxies in place at definite points in the universe, so that we could see those constellations. The fact that we can see combinations of stars that form the constellations shows design and not random placement.

I think that God is so big, we could never imagine how big He really is. If He can put all the galaxies, stars and planets in their places just through His words, then just to think about what He could do if He used more than just words is just mind-boggling!

My view, is that if God is so powerful that He can create a universe that to us is endless, because not even our most powerful orbiting telescope can see all the galaxies in it, then He is well able to supply everything we need in life.

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 10, 2019

myst33 said:
This question does not actually have sense. In other phases of sun there was no life, logically.

Because we are on a Christian forums, I suppose we all believe that the universe is designed.

That's right, but we have atheists who view these posts, and I hope the comments cause them to think a little more deeply.

Presbyterian Continuist · Apr 10, 2019

FireDragon76 said:
There is no reason to think that biology had to have a cause in that manner.

Well, if Biogenesis is correct, then something living had to have created life on earth. There is no evidence anywhere, historically, or current, that life ever occurred through a lifeless object. And if the Big Bang is true, then the whole universe is sterile, totally devoid of life because of the great heat generated by it.

Jonathan Walkerin · Apr 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
I reckon it will happen long before that when God decides to wind it all up.

You are free to reckon it.

Oscarr said:
If the universe is 13.8 billion years old, and the sun is just 4.6 billion years old, then how was it formed? It could not have been part of the material that blew in all directions with the big bang, because then it would be the same age as the rest of the universe.

The material is of same age. It has merely changed form.

Oscarr said:
And how come the sun is at just the right temperature to support life on earth? Someone must have designed it that way, because otherwise the chance of it happening spontaneously is about 5 squadrillion to 1, wouldn't it?

Just because something is improbable does not make it something that requires divine intervention to make it happen.

Also we have very narrow understanding of where life could evolve or sustain itself which makes places like Europa (moon) - Wikipedia possible places for life even if they are not quite in what we call habitable zones.

Also this argument is bit flat because 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999....% universe is clearly not habitable so it seems like odd design if everything is made for our benefit.

FireDragon76 · Apr 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
Well, if Biogenesis is correct, then something living had to have created life on earth. There is no evidence anywhere, historically, or current, that life ever occurred through a lifeless object. And if the Big Bang is true, then the whole universe is sterile, totally devoid of life because of the great heat generated by it.

Abiogenesis is considered the most credible contemporary hypothesis.

Jonathan Walkerin · Apr 10, 2019

Oscarr said:
Well, if Biogenesis is correct, then something living had to have created life on earth.

That is a big if, which is why current understanding is Abiogenesis - Wikipedia as mentioned above

Note that confirming Abiogenesis does not refute existence of God.

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