What commandments is Jesus talking about?

Saint Steven · Apr 1, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Israel is broken off of Israel...not all were broken off, you need to read it again

Not what it says. I already reread it twice.

Saint Steven · Apr 1, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
The olive tree which refers to Israel.

Is that biblical, or just a common misconception?

Saint Steven · Apr 1, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
You are not even discussing the topic within context!!! We were speaking of PRIOR to that...

You are not even discussing the topic. Period.

BNR32FAN · Apr 1, 2019

Saint Steven said:
I don't have a question. You have a question.
How do you measure remorse? You don't have to answer me.

I’m sorry are you asking me how someone measures remorse because I thought you said you weren’t asking the question. I think the problem is your too arrogant to admit when you’ve been proven wrong. You provided only a portion of the definition of repent (metanoia) and I provided the full definition and according to the full definition remorse is a part of repentance. When you repent of sin and turn to God you regret having offended Him. Your heart no longer desires sin and when you do stumble your heart aches with sorrow for having failed God. I don’t know how someone can have a genuine repentance without heart felt remorse of their sins.

BNR32FAN · Apr 1, 2019

Saint Steven said:
I don't have a question. You have a question.
How do you measure remorse? You don't have to answer me.

Here’s an example Matthew 26:75

“And Peter remembered the word which Jesus had said, "Before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times." And he went out and wept bitterly.”
‭‭MATTHEW‬ ‭26:75‬ ‭NASB‬‬

Saint Steven · Apr 1, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
I’m sorry are you asking me how someone measures remorse because I thought you said you weren’t asking the question. I think the problem is your too arrogant to admit when you’ve been proven wrong. You provided only a portion of the definition of repent (metanoia) and I provided the full definition and according to the full definition remorse is a part of repentance. When you repent of sin and turn to God you regret having offended Him. Your heart no longer desires sin and when you do stumble your heart aches with sorrow for having failed God. I don’t know how someone can have a genuine repentance without heart felt remorse of their sins.

Calling me arrogant was uncalled for.

Your claim was supported by a second definition. (with commentary bias, I might add)
Repentance is the same as forgiveness. An unemotional legal transaction is all that is required. Anything beyond that is unmeasurable. How much remorse is required? If you weren't remorseful enough was it "genuine" repentance? Again, how are these things measured.

Saint Steven · Apr 1, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
Here’s an example Matthew 26:75

“And Peter remembered the word which Jesus had said, "Before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times." And he went out and wept bitterly.”
‭‭MATTHEW‬ ‭26:75‬ ‭NASB‬‬

That's fine.
Would Jesus have forgiven him if he hadn't wept bitterly?
What if he only wept, but not bitterly?
Or if he was sad but didn't shed a tear?
How are these things measured?

BNR32FAN · Apr 1, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Calling me arrogant was uncalled for.

Your claim was supported by a second definition. (with commentary bias, I might add)
Repentance is the same as forgiveness. An unemotional legal transaction is all that is required. Anything beyond that is unmeasurable. How much remorse is required? If you weren't remorseful enough was it "genuine" repentance? Again, how are these things measured.

Why does there have to be a measurement? Who says there must be a measurement? I can’t even understand how repentance is unemotional. I can’t even fathom the idea of repentance without emotion. A legal transaction? How does that work? Ok here ya go God here’s your repentance now give me my grace, nice doing business with you, have a nice day?

Saint Steven · Apr 1, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
Why does there have to be a measurement?

Because you are making it a requirement.

This is why grace alone for salvation works, but grace plus works does not.

If salvation is by grace alone then it is measurable. Jesus paid it in full.
That is completely measurable. Done deal.

If we say grace plus works, now we have a problem. How do we measure that?
How much works is enough? Did you do enough? (who knows) Could you have done more? (of course) Did you do enough? (who knows) Right back to our vicious circle.

Saint Steven · Apr 1, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
I can’t even understand how repentance is unemotional. I can’t even fathom the idea of repentance without emotion.

You claimed I was arrogant with no emotion. I told you it was uncalled for and you still show no emotion. I think you are completely capable of an unemotional transaction.

Did it cost you money to pay your bills this month? Were you remorseful for the loss? Will the payment not count because you were not hurt by it emotionally?

BNR32FAN · Apr 1, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Because you are making it a requirement.

This is why grace alone for salvation works, but grace plus works does not.

If salvation is by grace alone then it is measurable. Jesus paid it in full.
That is completely measurable. Done deal.

If we say grace plus works, now we have a problem. How do we measure that?
How much works is enough? Did you do enough? (who knows) Could you have done more? (of course) Did you do enough? (who knows) Right back to our vicious circle.

Lol I didn’t write the definition of metanoia my friend.

BNR32FAN · Apr 1, 2019

Saint Steven said:
You claimed I was arrogant with no emotion. I told you it was uncalled for and you still show no emotion. I think you are completely capable of an unemotional transaction.

Did it cost you money to pay your bills this month? Were you remorseful for the loss? Will the payment not count because you were not hurt by it emotionally?

How does that even remotely compare to grace? Surely we’re not paying for grace now.

BNR32FAN · Apr 1, 2019

Saint Steven said:
You claimed I was arrogant with no emotion. I told you it was uncalled for and you still show no emotion. I think you are completely capable of an unemotional transaction.

Did it cost you money to pay your bills this month? Were you remorseful for the loss? Will the payment not count because you were not hurt by it emotionally?

Does the Bible day I need metanoia to pay my bills?

Saint Steven · Apr 1, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
Does the Bible day I need metanoia to pay my bills?

Only if you consider legal "tender" to be emotional.

BABerean2 · Apr 1, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Because you are making it a requirement.

This is why grace alone for salvation works, but grace plus works does not.

If salvation is by grace alone then it is measurable. Jesus paid it in full.
That is completely measurable. Done deal.

If we say grace plus works, now we have a problem. How do we measure that?
How much works is enough? Did you do enough? (who knows) Could you have done more? (of course) Did you do enough? (who knows) Right back to our vicious circle.

Amen to the above.

.

ace of hearts · Apr 1, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
No. And non-sequitur. You have no evidence at all for your post.

(I agree with Jesus and Jeremiah entirely, and all of Yahweh's Word)

Then why do you promote the law? Is any one obligated to keep the law? If so who and when.

ace of hearts · Apr 1, 2019

BNR32FAN said:
Let me rephrase what I said in reply to your message. In Judaism Jews are required to pray 3 times per day. I didn’t mean that God has required them to pray 3 times per day. I’m not aware of any such commandment.

News to me. Why does it matter?

ace of hearts · Apr 1, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
No one can fully at the present so your point is moot

Then you have a problem.

ace of hearts · Apr 1, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
See there you go again, implying my position where I have made no such position...

Then the law has no purpose.

ace of hearts · Apr 1, 2019

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
Yeah so. I posted a quote from Hillel. Rabbinic Jews also quote from the OT, does that mean I can't?

Would you be so kind as to link a post you quoted Scripture?

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