When believers stop believing

Mountainmanbob · Mar 28, 2019

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Apologetic_Warrior · Mar 28, 2019

Please excuse me while I go grab some popcorn in expectation of attacks on the messenger and not the message. Brother Bob, could you give us a short summary? I would like to listen but life as I've known it for quite some time now rarely allows me the time for carefully listening to a sermon or lecture...it comes with the husband/father life.

Mountainmanbob · Mar 28, 2019

The ones that continued in the faith were the true believers.

Finish the good race.

The ones that didn’t were never really born again.

Judas although hanging out with Jesus and seeing many miracles and understanding the gospel still had the devil as his father.

M-Bob

Gregory Thompson · Mar 28, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:

I found the first half an hour helpful. from about 40 minutes on, I found it hypocritical, since their position is not the first version of Christian teachings.

Mountainmanbob · Mar 28, 2019

Michael Collum said:
I found the first half an hour helpful. from about 40 minutes on, I found it hypocritical, since their position is not the first version of Christian teachings.

Where did it go wrong?
The guys been preaching for over 50 years -- written his own study bible -- studied ever verse in the bible in detail.
MB

Gregory Thompson · Mar 28, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
Where did it go wrong?
The guys been preaching for over 50 years -- written his own study bible -- studied ever verse in the bible in detail.
MB

They're standing in judgment over other traditions in the faith saying they're not saved. That's something they cannot know.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 28, 2019

They also seem to be committing the unforgivable sin according to their interpretation.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 28, 2019

The part on doubt in the last 10 minutes was helpful.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 28, 2019

I found helpful things in the message but Catholic, Liberal, and Emergent Christians may feel "flamed" by one of the comments in the podcast.

com7fy8 · Mar 28, 2019

Michael Collum said:
standing in judgment

Ones can study every verse in the Bible, but only find how others are wrong, and this can be in comparison with themselves. Yet, they do not get into how we become because of growing in Jesus, and how we relate in God's love. Ones can be so expert at showing how others are wrong, but not at least as thorough to make us wise to how they themselves need God's correction.

So, the ones who are so into looking down on others could themselves be false believers.

critical spirit stuff

Mountainmanbob · Mar 28, 2019

Reminds me of some of the letters that Paul wrote to the churches.
M-Bob

com7fy8 · Mar 28, 2019

Mountainmanbob said:
Reminds me of some of the letters that Paul wrote to the churches.

Paul wrote >

"For we dare not to class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves; but they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise." (2 Corinthians 10:12)

How do we compare with Jesus?

Apologetic_Warrior · Mar 28, 2019

Michael Collum said:
They're standing in judgment over other traditions in the faith saying they're not saved. That's something they cannot know.

Most every tradition that comes to mind has a doctrine of apostasy, and one can teach the doctrine without calling out individuals, which may not be known with absolute certainty, but might be known to a great extent, provided they actually knew the person. I do believe as He wills at times of His choosing God gives some people the gift of spiritual discernment today, and to some believers a larger portion than others for various reasons. Having this belief does mean God has given me a larger portion, but that we can acquire spiritual knowledge by the Spirit of God.

Gregory Thompson · Mar 29, 2019

Apologetic_Warrior said:
Most every tradition that comes to mind has a doctrine of apostasy, and one can teach the doctrine without calling out individuals, which may not be known with absolute certainty, but might be known to a great extent, provided they actually knew the person. I do believe as He wills at times of His choosing God gives some people the gift of spiritual discernment today, and to some believers a larger portion than others for various reasons. Having this belief does mean God has given me a larger portion, but that we can acquire spiritual knowledge by the Spirit of God.

Spiritual knowledge is when you are in more intimate contact with God who is Spirit.

When believers stop believing

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