Court allows Ohio to defund Planned Parenthood

Hammster said:

How else would you categorize it?

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Women making difficult decisions, exercising their own agency, and assuming responsibility for their own lives.

hislegacy said:

No, but it is the main way to get pregnant.

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That is only a social convention. Women could as easily get pregnant now days through sperm banks or in vitro fertilization.

DaisyDay said:

More than that, from body invaders.

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If you mean rapists, I hear tell that guns offer pretty good defense against them.

No Username Found said:

Yes, abortion out of convenience is very irresponsible and selfish. More irresponsible than a deadbeat father who doesn't pay child support.

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I disagree. If she is having an abortion because she can't afford more kids and she needs to dedicate those resources to her family, abortion may in fact be less selfish.

thecolorsblend said:

If you mean rapists, I hear tell that guns offer pretty good defense against them.

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Yes, we could issue guns to all women and train them to shoot, then they couldn't complain that they wanted an abortion because they'd been raped. Good idea.

Or, we could give rape victims access to the "morning after" pill, however much it got up the nose of religious zealots.

Speedwell said:

Yes, we could issue guns to all women and train them to shoot, then they couldn't complain that they wanted an abortion because they'd been raped. Good idea.

Or, we could give rape victims access to the "morning after" pill, however much it got up the nose of religious zealots.

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Funny how pills offend the religious, but firearms don't.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition, indeed.

thecolorsblend said:

If you mean rapists, I hear tell that guns offer pretty good defense against them.

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Speedwell said:

Good idea.

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Thank you.

Hammster said:

Could be.

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Gotta say... still not seeing the down side. YHVH, Allah, Zeus, Odin, Ra, Papa Shango, The Flying Spaghetti Monster... I find a "don't call us, we'll call you" policy works best with any pantheon...

You, however, may or may not take issue with the First Amendment, which demoted God from "absolute sovereign," to "a voice in the crowd, to be heeded, humored, or ignored at will."

Hammster said:

There’s always adoption. The child isn’t killed, and a family that wants a baby gets one. Win-win.

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Don't we have adoption now? And yet, not every kid gets picked for the team, do they?

Hammster said:

There are non-religious people that are pro-life. They understand the immorality of killing the unborn.

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That's correct. But they lack the extended religious agenda of the Christian Right, who make up the bulk of pro-lifers. They are not culture warriors.

Hammster said:

There’s always adoption. The child isn’t killed, and a family that wants a baby gets one. Win-win.

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Because adoption agencies and foster care isn't already overloaded with kids that they can't find homes for. Why not add tens or hundreds of thousands more?

Hammster said:

So they are irresponsible for getting pregnant, but it’s responsible to kill their child because of it..

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No, I'm not the one judging women here.

Hammster said:

There’s always adoption. The child isn’t killed, and a family that wants a baby gets one. Win-win.

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Adoption requires pregnancy, complete with all the burdens entailed by that. See my previous argument about slavery.

I'm not saying a woman should choose abortion, or that there is nothing good about putting a child up for adoption, but I am affirming within reasonable limits, that she ought to have that choice.