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Important Edit: This OP is heavily flawed; please disregard it at face value and instead turn to the responses as they have helped me. Thank you and may God bless you.

Hi all! I have been actively following Christ for a little over a month now, though I've had a close with the Faith for much longer. I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit is real, and that I have heard Him reach out to me in the past, however there are times where I feel confused and worry that I will mistake my own desires or some other foreign voice for the Holy Spirit and be lead astray. Here are some things I feel I have felt on the voice of the Holy Spirit, and please correct me if something seems off:
  • The Holy Spirit answers in terse responses, allowing the follower of Christ to explore the Truth further on their own will
  • The Holy Spirit will confirm when a thought or mental image is demonic interjection when inquired
  • The Holy Spirit will at times give several messages at once with a particular course of action, giving seemingly mixed responses until all messages have been explored
  • The Holy Spirit can at times be identified as the voice in your head that will contradict you for reasons you have to take time to ponder on, and following this voice will lead you to righteousness rather than contradict you to cut you down or for the sake of instant-gratification
  • The voice of the Holy Spirit grows farther away with transgressions; demonic thoughts and images will also occur more frequently as you fall further into sin. This might also occur with stress.
  • The Holy Spirit will give positive reaffirmation and console you when you fall into despair (e.g. a response given to a plea of "I'm scared of falling away from you Lord" would be "You will not fall. Keep going.")
If you have your own experiences with the Holy Spirit that you'd like to share, please feel free to share them, and thank you for reading :)
 
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Hi all! I have been actively following Christ for a little over a month now, though I've had a close with the Faith for much longer. I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit is real, and that I have heard Him reach out to me in the past, however there are times where I feel confused and worry that I will mistake my own desires or some other foreign voice for the Holy Spirit and be lead astray. Here are some things I feel I have felt on the voice of the Holy Spirit, and please correct me if something seems off:
  • The Holy Spirit answers in terse responses, allowing the follower of Christ to explore the Truth further on their own will
  • The Holy Spirit will confirm when a thought or mental image is demonic interjection when inquired
  • The Holy Spirit will at times give several messages at once with a particular course of action, giving seemingly mixed responses until all messages have been explored
  • The Holy Spirit can at times be identified as the voice in your head that will contradict you for reasons you have to take time to ponder on, and following this voice will lead you to righteousness rather than contradict you to cut you down or for the sake of instant-gratification
  • The voice of the Holy Spirit grows farther away with transgressions; demonic thoughts and images will also occur more frequently as you fall further into sin. This might also occur with stress.
  • The Holy Spirit will give positive reaffirmation and console you when you fall into despair (e.g. a response given to a plea of "I'm scared of falling away from you Lord" would be "You will not fall. Keep going.")
If you have your own experiences with the Holy Spirit that you'd like to share, please feel free to share them, and thank you for reading :)
If you really understood the Holy Spirit, you would BE the Holy Spirit.
 
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Hi all! I have been actively following Christ for a little over a month now, though I've had a close with the Faith for much longer. I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit is real, and that I have heard Him reach out to me in the past, however there are times where I feel confused and worry that I will mistake my own desires or some other foreign voice for the Holy Spirit and be lead astray. Here are some things I feel I have felt on the voice of the Holy Spirit, and please correct me if something seems off:
  • The Holy Spirit answers in terse responses, allowing the follower of Christ to explore the Truth further on their own will
  • The Holy Spirit will confirm when a thought or mental image is demonic interjection when inquired
  • The Holy Spirit will at times give several messages at once with a particular course of action, giving seemingly mixed responses until all messages have been explored
  • The Holy Spirit can at times be identified as the voice in your head that will contradict you for reasons you have to take time to ponder on, and following this voice will lead you to righteousness rather than contradict you to cut you down or for the sake of instant-gratification
  • The voice of the Holy Spirit grows farther away with transgressions; demonic thoughts and images will also occur more frequently as you fall further into sin. This might also occur with stress.
  • The Holy Spirit will give positive reaffirmation and console you when you fall into despair (e.g. a response given to a plea of "I'm scared of falling away from you Lord" would be "You will not fall. Keep going.")
If you have your own experiences with the Holy Spirit that you'd like to share, please feel free to share them, and thank you for reading :)
I wish I understood Him better than I do and yet I've had many experiences with Him. My assessment is that He is kind of like the Word Himself, the scriptures and Jesus. A teacher, He can be kind, He can be convicting ,nudging us in a direction. He doesn't speak clearly to me sometimes, it takes study and time to figure out what He means or wants. The choice is ours but through scripture you get a convincing word. If you are a bible reader He speak loudest through the scriptures. But experiences can be profound as well. If you are not a born again believer He will mainly point you towards salvation and He always points to Jesus and the cross. When we consider those things and also at important times in our lives He speaks up. Consider ( if to) the ministry, He should be speaking very clearly then.
 
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I wish I understood Him better than I do and yet I've had many experiences with Him. My assessment is that He is kind of like the Word Himself, the scriptures and Jesus. A teacher, He can be kind, He can be convicting ,nudging us in a direction. He doesn't speak clearly to me sometimes, it takes study and time to figure out what He means or wants. The choice is ours but through scripture you get a convincing word. If you are a bible reader He speak loudest through the scriptures. But experiences can be profound as well. If you are not a born again believer He will mainly point you towards salvation and He always points to Jesus and the cross. When we consider those things and also at important times in our lives He speaks up. Consider ( if to) the ministry, He should be speaking very clearly then.

This is very helpful. I feel like I should've made it clear that I was ready to throw out what I concluded if it should come to that. I don't want to be deceived in any way, and I've been worried about that lately especially since the situation in my personal life is fairly difficult right now. I will continue to read scripture and seek out fellowship, thank you.
 
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I know what you mean about the fear of just mistaking His voice for your own thoughts. Logically, then, if you only are hearing your own thoughts, then you wouldn't know if you are actually indwelt by the Holy Spirit and thus saved. So it's a disturbing thought.

The Holy Spirit has taught me Biblical truths in the past when my devotion time was basically non-existent. When I got back into the Word, I was shocked to discover that some of the theological conclusions I had come to were right there in Scripture all along! The fact that my conclusions lined up with the Scriptures is, I believe, one example of the Holy Spirit guiding my heart and thoughts.

I have had dreams in which a certain person sang a song. I woke up and composed an actual song based on what was in my dream and shared it with that person in real life and they were deeply blessed and encouraged. So I believe that could be another work of the Holy Spirit.

Again, with music, I like to write worshipful songs. Some I feel like I'm just trying to do on my own and they're just kind of mediocre. But every once in a while a song basically hits me out of the blue and when I do the actual work to compose and sing it, everything goes so smoothly and beautifully that I have to believe it's a gift from God and that it's happening through His Spirit. In fact, on at least one occasion I was just at work doing my job when a melody hit me so suddenly it almost took my breath away...!

The Holy Spirit also illuminates Scriptures to us. have you ever been reading the Word and suddenly a particular verse or passage just leaps out at you and seems so relevant to the moment? Or suddenly you understand it to a depth you never did before? I think that's the Holy Spirit, too.

And, of course, the Holy Spirit is also that "still, small voice" that nudges us when we face a decision or He wants us to do something that would glorify God. Maybe it's saying something encouraging to a woman at the store who is dressed provocatively to attract attention, but is actually deeply insecure. Or maybe it's giving a random gift to a lonely waitress who admits that she's working all day on her birthday and doesn't expect anyone to do anything for her. Or perhaps it's just sharing your faith with a friend you've known for years and have been afraid to lose his or her friendship over that conversation, without truly putting them in God's hands.

Those are some ways I think the Holy Spirit "speaks".
 
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Upon salvation, you are filled with the full power of the Holy Spirit inside you. However, your flesh is in constant battle against this spirit. What is of the flesh, or the world, is not of the Spirit. It's a life long journey of growing in the Spirit and dying to the pull of the flesh. So basically, you are dying to self (fleshly desires) and living in Christ (Holy Spirit). Continually studying in the Scriptures will help you to more clearly hear the voice of the Spirit and weaken the pull of the flesh. Maybe this blog post will help. Just keep studying and God bless!
 
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There are things that come with growing as a child of God. You need to develop before you can know you need to learn certain things. And then you need to grow in order to learn something, more and more.

So, trust this all to God >

"casting all your care upon Him, for He cares for you." (1 Peter 5:7)

And we are praying for you; and Jesus Himself is praying for us . . . according to His faith; plus, the Holy Spirit Himself is praying for you ! ! ! Romans 8:34, Romans 8:26

And maybe this can help > I personally understand, from the scriptures and personal experience, that God is quiet. God is not silent, but quiet. And we miss God by going along with all the noisy stuff in us, such as worry which is a pathological liar, and unforgiveness, and anger and wrath, and bitterness, and dominating and dictatorial drives for pleasure and security and adrenaline rush stuff.

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)
 
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Thank you everyone. I will remember what you've all said and I will keep looking for the Truth. I really hope for blessings in all of your lives. Please take care you guys.
 
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If you are not a born again believer He will mainly point you towards salvation and He always points to Jesus and the cross.

Can you define your definition of a born again believer? Are you referring to a non-Christian? Or a Christian that hasn't had the revelation of being saved/forgiven?

The reason I ask is because I had a couple of experiences in my life that I believe the Holy Spirit spoke to me, but I wasn't a Christian then. I had been to church and would pray to God when I was a kid, but I don't ever remember asking Jesus for his help, nor had I repented or anything. But I did ask God for help several times by my prayers. I wonder if somehow there was a covenant made in so doing that?
 
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I dont belive you will ever understand the holy spirit becuase HE is God, and we cannot understand God but the holy spirit directs us. He helps us understand the GIFTS of the spirit, such as love, and things like dreams and visions with thier interpretation
 
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When we come to understand that the whole mission of the Holy Spirit in us is to point lost sinners to Jesus, then we can discern whether we are sensing the voice of the Spirit or not in terms of: does the voice work to prepare us to be more effective in winning souls to Christ? Does the voice point us to pray without ceasing for lost souls? Does the work of the Holy Spirit in us give us a greater love and passion for lost souls in order to do what we can to point them to Christ and get them converted?

Any prompting, leading or voice, purporting to be the Holy Spirit that does not have that purpose, can be regarded as coming from the world, flesh, or the devil. For example, if the voice or impression leads you to try and be a better Christian in yourself, then you know that voice is tempting you to self-righteousness which leads to religious hypocrisy and actually grieves the Holy Spirit in you and makes you useless for doing anything for God.
 
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Can you define your definition of a born again believer? Are you referring to a non-Christian? Or a Christian that hasn't had the revelation of being saved/forgiven?

The reason I ask is because I had a couple of experiences in my life that I believe the Holy Spirit spoke to me, but I wasn't a Christian then. I had been to church and would pray to God when I was a kid, but I don't ever remember asking Jesus for his help, nor had I repented or anything. But I did ask God for help several times by my prayers. I wonder if somehow there was a covenant made in so doing that?
Children are always on God's heart. Those experiences I'm sure stay on your heart and you cherish them.. Did you ever come to know Jesus Christ, accept Him as your savior ? If so, those voices may have been instrumental in your early faith experience and development. God is always with children is my belief, mostly as protection, a covering more than covenant. But we reach an age of accountability, different for everyone but usually between about 10 and 14 yo. An age where reason begins to kick in. I can't speak for God of course but that's my understanding as I have been taught and from there on we need to make a choice. It doesn't mean God left us but He draws back. But He will always point to Jesus, He may work in other ways too but He will surely do that. When we come to Christ, God is no more peripheral but inside us. This is born again: that we receive the Spirit in our hearts.

There is one name unto heaven, the name of Jesus. If the Spirit is working or not in our lives we still need Jesus for eternal life. He is the way the truth and the life. Right ? Our whole time with God is a long journey, I can look way back and think but just by this seeming stroke of luck ( God really) this happened or that did not. Pre salvation something may have happened where He worked knowing I'm coming to salvation. We don't know it but He does. Heck, by some of my stunts early on I shouldn't even be here. By a stroke of seeming "luck" I pulled into a business on a "whim" in 1968 that they might hire me part time while I finished up some schooling . They did, I finished school and was with them 44 years full time from 1970 on. A little voice inside me said to just stop in there. Was that voice the HS or me ? Considering the result I'd say HS, my thoughts don't tend to end so gracefully lol ! But I came to Christ in 1979. God has a plan, it's true. That job was there all those years, through marriage, raising 5 kids, coming to Jesus. And then when I grew weary, now aging, I prayed through Jesus " this is no longer fair to me or them, I can't do this anymore", that summer one day in Aug. I was offered full retirement two years early, in Oct I retired. God knew it all since before the foundation of the world. Thank you Jesus, because He was given orchestration of these things, nothing was that ever was but through Him !
 
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Would it make sense that the divinity of Scripture is one way that the Holy Spirit has sought to communicate with all mankind, from the start?

When you're reading something in particular, something that strikes you in a way that's more than an 'ah-ha' moment, it seems to feel a little different. And it seems these things stick around awhile, as long as you keep at it, conditioning you, a constant companion.

I'm speculating (which I shouldn't be)!
 
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Would it make sense that the divinity of Scripture is one way that the Holy Spirit has sought to communicate with all mankind, from the start?

When you're reading something in particular, something that strikes you in a way that's more than an 'ah-ha' moment, it seems to feel a little different. And it seems these things stick around awhile, as long as you keep at it, conditioning you, a constant companion.

I'm speculating (which I shouldn't be)!
The Scripture says that faith comes by hearing the Word of God - that is, the preaching of the gospel. God's speaks through the Bible, but for that to happen one has to read it continuously.
 
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I have no doubt that the Holy Spirit is real, and that I have heard Him reach out to me in the past, however there are times where I feel confused and worry that I will mistake my own desires or some other foreign voice for the Holy Spirit and be lead astray.

And this is why you ought to be very careful about not making the Holy Spirit into a feeling, or strong impression, or voice in your head. The Holy Spirit teaches us from God's word, so if you are wanting to "hear" from the Holy Spirit and you aren't studying Scripture, you're going to be disappointed - or deceived. If you are allowing the Spirit to teach you God's will from the Bible, you never have to be worried about confusing your own internal voice with that of God's.

Here are some things I feel I have felt on the voice of the Holy Spirit, and please correct me if something seems off:
  • The Holy Spirit answers in terse responses, allowing the follower of Christ to explore the Truth further on their own will

How is the Holy Spirit our teacher, as the Bible says he is, if he just stands back and let's us teach ourselves? We are blind without his guidance. We cannot understand the mind and will of God without him. There is no "exploring God's truth" without the constant supervision and illumination of the Spirit.

John 14:26
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

1 Corinthians 2:12-14
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


The Holy Spirit will confirm when a thought or mental image is demonic interjection when inquired

If the thought or mental image is not in accord with Scripture, with its principles, truths, wisdom and commands, it doesn't require the Holy Spirit's confirmation to be rejected as wrong or demonic.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


The Holy Spirit will at times give several messages at once with a particular course of action, giving seemingly mixed responses until all messages have been explored

Where do you see this in Scripture? I see instead the following:

1 Corinthians 14:33
33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.


I also don't see God behaving this way in the record of Scripture when He communicated His will to various people. Always God was very explicit and clear about what He wanted.

The Holy Spirit can at times be identified as the voice in your head that will contradict you for reasons you have to take time to ponder on, and following this voice will lead you to righteousness rather than contradict you to cut you down or for the sake of instant-gratification

You don't need a "voice in your head" when you have the Bible. See above.

The voice of the Holy Spirit grows farther away with transgressions; demonic thoughts and images will also occur more frequently as you fall further into sin. This might also occur with stress.

Not at all. Just the opposite, in fact. The more a genuine child of God sins, the more the Spirit convicts them about it and the more God brings His discipline to bear upon His wayward child. When the sheep got lost in the wilderness (Luke 15:3-6), the Good Shepherd went out to find it, he didn't withdraw from the wandering sheep and leave it to its own devices. A believer can grieve the Spirit, however, by persistently ignoring the Spirit's convicting pressure and by refusing to be under the Spirit's control. In such a state, the believer can grow hardened toward the Spirit and his conscience may become "seared as with a hot iron." In such a condition, intimate fellowship with God is impossible.

The Holy Spirit will give positive reaffirmation and console you when you fall into despair (e.g. a response given to a plea of "I'm scared of falling away from you Lord" would be "You will not fall. Keep going.")

Yes, the Holy Spirit is called The Comforter (or Paraklete in Greek). (John 14:16)
 
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The Person and Work of the Holy Spirit


Quick facts:

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Called the Comforter or Helper (“Paraklete” in Greek) Jn. 14:16; the Spirit of Christ – Ro. 8:9; the Spirit of GraceHe. 10:29; Spirit of the Lord 2 Cor. 3:17, 18.

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The third Person of the Trinity. (Matt. 28:19; Ac. 5:3, 4; 1 Cor. 2:10, 11)

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He is not a force, or divine spiritual energy, but a distinct personal entity who may grieved (Eph. 4:30), who teaches and reminds (John 14:26; 1 Cor. 2:13), who speaks (Ac. 8:29; 13:2), who makes decisions (Ac. 15:28), who can be lied to (Ac. 5:3, 4), who has a mind (Ro. 8:26, 27), and so on.

Common Questions:

1.) What is the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Christian?

- He imparts spiritual life by dwelling within every believer. (Jn. 7:39; Ac. 2:3, 4; Ro. 8:8-11; 1 Cor. 6:19, 20; Tit. 3:5, 6)
- He convicts of sin. (Jn. 16:8)
- He illuminates our minds to God's truth. (Lu. 12:12; Jn. 14:26; 16:13)
- He comforts and helps. (Jn. 14:16)
- He enables the believer's obedience. (Ac. 4:7, 8; Ro. 8:13; 15:13, 19; Phil. 2:13)
- He produces in the believer the character of Christ. (Ga. 5:22, 23)
- He is the “down payment” or “guarantee” of a believer's future spiritual and eternal inheritance. (Eph. 1:13, 14)

2.) Is the Holy Spirit ever physically violent in his interactions with believers? Should a believer expect or desire to be “slain in the Spirit”?

No. There is no instance in the entire New Testament, nor is there any teaching in it, that supports the idea that the Holy Spirit in manifestation of himself will act upon anyone with physical violence. Instead, we are told by the apostle Paul that peace and gentleness are fruit of the indwelling Holy Spirit. (Ga. 5:22) Even in the instance with lying Ananias and his wife Sapphira, the Holy Spirit does not throw the two around, or convulse them, or make them scream in agony. They simply drop to the ground dead. (Ac. 5:1-11)

Not once in all of the New Testament is anyone “slain in the Spirit.” What's more, not one writer of the New Testament ever uses the phrase or implies such an idea in his writing. Ecstatic prostration accompanied by convulsions, and/or incoherent babbling, and/or manic laughing or crying have no biblical parallel except in instances of demonic possession! (Mk. 9:17-27; Lu. 8:26-36)

3.) Should all believers prove that the Spirit is in them by speaking in tongues and performing miraculous healings?

No. Scripture doesn't even hint at such a test. Instead, those things we are told in the New Testament to expect as signs of the Spirit indwelling the believer are things like holiness (Jn. 16:8), the fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, etc. - Ga. 5:22, 23), changed thinking (Eph. 4:23, 24), and transformed desires (Phil. 2:13).

4.) What is the “baptism of the Spirit”?

The answer to this question has become increasingly confused in recent times by the erroneous teaching of two baptisms of the Spirit: One to save a person and another to supernaturally empower them. Does the Bible teach two baptisms of the Spirit? No, it doesn't. The phrase “baptism of the Spirit” refers to one's conversion, to the moment when one is indwelt by the Holy Spirit and thus “made alive” unto God spiritually. Nowhere does the Bible teach a second baptism of the Spirit after one's conversion. In fact, the phrase “baptism of the Spirit” itself does not actually appear in the Bible. The following verses are pertinent to this matter:

Galatians 3:27
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


The lost person is saved by being “baptized into Christ” and made a “new creature” (2 Cor. 5:17) in him. How is one “baptized into Christ”? Paul the apostle explains:

Titus 3:5
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,


The Holy Spirit “washes, regenerates and renews” the lost person, by coming to dwell within him or her (Jn. 14:17; Ro. 8:9). Called the “Spirit of Christ” (Ro. 8:9), the Holy Spirit's presence within a person infuses them with spiritual life, the life of Christ himself, and in this sense the newly born-again person has “put on Christ,” or been “baptized” into him. It is by the Holy Spirit that the lost person, dead in trespasses and sins, is “quickened” or made alive spiritually unto God.

Ephesians 2:1
1 And you
He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

Romans 8:10-11
10 And if Christ
is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.


5.) Is there any teaching in Scripture that directs us to expect and seek after a second baptism of the Spirit in order to be specially empowered by God for the performance of supernatural acts?

No. The very first baptism of the Spirit happened at Pentecost, described in Acts 2:1-4. It was at this time that the first born-again believers came to be and the prophecy of John the Baptist was fulfilled:

Matthew 3:11
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


The immediate result of the Spirit indwelling (baptizing) those in the upper room was evangelism. The newly-indwelt disciples began to preach the Gospel in the street, heard by those listening in their own mother tongues (not some unintelligible “spirit language” - Acts 2:7-11) Unfortunately, some have focused on the ability of the first Spirit-indwelt believers to be heard in various tongues and have made speaking in tongues a litmus test for being saved and supernaturally-empowered by God. The tongues in which these first Christians spoke, however, were manifested in order that they might share the Gospel, not prove they were saved or possessed of supernatural power.

Three times in the book of Acts, the Spirit comes upon people (Acts 2:1-4; 10:44-48; 19:1-6), baptizing them spiritually (Ro. 6:1-5) making them “new creatures in Christ.” By this overt supernatural means the Christian Church began. Only in Acts, however, do we read of the Spirit coming upon groups of people this way. What's more, there is no teaching in the New Testament by any of the apostles that a Pentecost-like event should be expected to occur commonly, or that there should be multiple baptisms into the Spirit. Perhaps what is most significant, however, is that there is no recorded instance in the New Testament of anyone being baptized into the Spirit more than once. The apostles are repeatedly filled by the Spirit but this is not the same as being baptized into the Spirit which is to be born-again spiritually.

6.) What does it mean to be “filled with the Spirit”?

When a believer is “quickened,” or made alive spiritually for the first time, the Holy Spirit takes up permanent residence (He. 13:5) inside that believer; the believer becomes a “temple” of the Spirit of God. (1 Cor. 6:19, 20) But although the Spirit lives inside the born-again believer, he may not have full control of that believer. So long as this is the case, the believer will not be able to manifest the Spirit's character, wisdom, holiness and power in full degree in his life.

Romans 8:5-6
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those
who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded
is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:13
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.


The apostle Paul distinguishes between being indwelt by the Spirit and being controlled by him as the the difference between “living by” the Spirit and “walking by” him.

Galatians 5:25
25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.


Every born-again believer “lives by the Spirit,” that is, they have spiritual life by virtue of the Spirit being within them. But not every believer is “walking by the Spirit.” They are not living in obedience to the Spirit's will and way, moment-by-moment, throughout each day; they are not resting in his transforming power, patiently trusting him to make them more and more like Christ.

Paul goes further in his letter to the Christians at Rome and explains that being under the control of (“led by”) the Spirit is a mark of being a true child of God:

Romans 8:14
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.


When a believer is controlled by the Holy Spirit, when he is spiritually-minded rather than controlled by the impulses of his flesh, the life and power of the Spirit flows without hindrance in him, filling, transforming and equipping him for service to God. This is what it means to be “filled with the Spirit.” As often as a believer steps out of the flow of the Spirit's power by disobedience and self-will, he must turn again to God, submit himself to the Spirit's control, and be filled once more. So it is that a believer may be filled by the Spirit many times throughout his life.

Blaspheming the Spirit.

In a growing section of the evangelical Christian community, the pursuit of a sensual experience of God has led to a kind of blasphemy against the Spirit. In an effort to “experience God,” many believers today are chasing after tingles, warm sensations, and electrical pulses that run over and through them. They cheer at fog (aka “glory clouds”) coming out of air vents, and gasp at gold dust and feathers falling from above. “This is the Spirit of God!” they say. But when they are pressed to explain how they know this, the answer is ultimately “I just know! And if you knew the Spirit like I do, you would, too!” Thus, without good grounds, believers assign to the Holy Spirit experiences and actions to which they cannot adequately connect him. It may well be that he is not involved at all in the things they are feeling and experiencing and so to say that he is amounts to lying about the Spirit which is tantamount to blasphemy.

The apostle James warned of the “wisdom that is not from above” (Ja. 3:15), describing it, among other things, as “sensual,” that is, oriented on what appeals to our physical senses and our emotions. We are fundamentally sensual creatures, interacting with reality in large part through our physical senses. When we are confronted with interacting with God, who is a Spirit and not accessible to our senses like the material reality in which we constantly move, we may begin to try to force an experience of Him that conforms to our natural sensuality. But when we do this, we corrupt and diminish the spiritual nature of our fellowship with God and open ourselves to demonic deception. So it is we are commanded in Scripture:

John 4:23-24
23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 God
is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

In the record of Scripture, when God “showed up” He did not resort to fog, feathers and gold dust; He did not confine Himself to trivial things like giving people shivers, and tingles, and warm oozies; He did not make them laugh like maniacs, or writhe about in ecstatic prostration. No, when God manifested Himself, He empowered one man to kill a thousand with the jaw-bone of an ass, the wicked were swallowed alive by the earth, cities were destroyed by heavenly fire, seas were parted, mountain tops were clouded in thunder and lightning, and the dead were raised to life! How is it, then, that the expectations of modern believers of God have grown so small? How is it that so many have settled for a momentary shiver instead of fire from heaven? How is that believers enthuse over gold dust from air vents instead of the conviction of the Holy Spirit driving them to their knees in deep and full confession of, and repentance from, their sins? How is it that when a person claims God is manifesting Himself in these trivial ways, so many are eager to believe it without skepticism? This is where a sensual pursuit of God leads people: Grasping for anything that might provide a sensual experience of God, however silly and trite.

Matthew 12:38-39
38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."
39 But He (Jesus) answered and said to them, "
An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.



Satan is the Great Counterfeiter. At every turn he is looking to deceive believers with false facsimiles of God's truth, presence and power. He comes to us as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14), offering us half or twisted truths, and/or outright lies made to look like “good sense.” If we aren't “sober and vigilant,” as Scripture warns us to be (1 Pe. 5:8), we will soon fall prey to his deceptions. So, it is that we must have more than “I just know!” as a basis for our claims that the Spirit is at work. If we say, “These shivers are the Holy Spirit!” we must be able to prove it; if we say, “This healing is by the Spirit's will and power!” we must be able to show that it really is; if we say, “This vision is from the Spirit!” we had better be able to fully justify our claim. When believers get in the habit of making unfounded, unproved and unprovable claims about the work of the Spirit, they run the very great risk of falling under false beliefs and the destructive manipulations of the devil.

We would not accept “I just know” from an atheist or Hindu making a case for their beliefs; we would scoff at the man who said, “Zeus exists because I just know He does!” We ought to show the same skepticism toward any believer who makes a claim about the Holy Spirit that cannot be properly justified from Scripture and proved to be true by standard rules of evidence. If someone claims the Holy Spirit gave sight to a blind person, produce the once-blind person for examination and verification of the claim; if someone claims to have healed a person's bad back, let them show there really was a genuine back problem to begin with and that true healing of it has actually occurred; if a person claims the Spirit raised someone from the dead, such an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence in its support. If believers don't insist on solid justification for claims made concerning the Holy Spirit, they will soon become guilty of blaspheming him.
 
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The Person and Work of the Holy Spirit


Quick facts:

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Called the Comforter or Helper (“Paraklete” in Greek) Jn. 14:16; the Spirit of Christ – Ro. 8:9; the Spirit of GraceHe. 10:29; Spirit of the Lord 2 Cor. 3:17, 18.

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The third Person of the Trinity. (Matt. 28:19; Ac. 5:3, 4; 1 Cor. 2:10, 11)

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He is not a force, or divine spiritual energy, but a distinct personal entity who may grieved (Eph. 4:30), who teaches and reminds (John 14:26; 1 Cor. 2:13), who speaks (Ac. 8:29; 13:2), who makes decisions (Ac. 15:28), who can be lied to (Ac. 5:3, 4), who has a mind (Ro. 8:26, 27), and so on.

Common Questions:

1.) What is the role of the Holy Spirit in the life of the Christian?

- He imparts spiritual life by dwelling within every believer. (Jn. 7:39; Ac. 2:3, 4; Ro. 8:8-11; 1 Cor. 6:19, 20; Tit. 3:5, 6)
- He convicts of sin. (Jn. 16:8)
- He illuminates our minds to God's truth. (Lu. 12:12; Jn. 14:26; 16:13)
- He comforts and helps. (Jn. 14:16)
- He enables the believer's obedience. (Ac. 4:7, 8; Ro. 8:13; 15:13, 19; Phil. 2:13)
- He produces in the believer the character of Christ. (Ga. 5:22, 23)
- He is the “down payment” or “guarantee” of a believer's future spiritual and eternal inheritance. (Eph. 1:13, 14)

2.) Is the Holy Spirit ever physically violent in his interactions with believers? Should a believer expect or desire to be “slain in the Spirit”?

No. There is no instance in the entire New Testament, nor is there any teaching in it, that supports the idea that the Holy Spirit in manifestation of himself will act upon anyone with physical violence. Instead, we are told by the apostle Paul that peace and gentleness are fruit of the indwelling Holy Spirit. (Ga. 5:22) Even in the instance with lying Ananias and his wife Sapphira, the Holy Spirit does not throw the two around, or convulse them, or make them scream in agony. They simply drop to the ground dead. (Ac. 5:1-11)

Not once in all of the New Testament is anyone “slain in the Spirit.” What's more, not one writer of the New Testament ever uses the phrase or implies such an idea in his writing. Ecstatic prostration accompanied by convulsions, and/or incoherent babbling, and/or manic laughing or crying have no biblical parallel except in instances of demonic possession! (Mk. 9:17-27; Lu. 8:26-36)

3.) Should all believers prove that the Spirit is in them by speaking in tongues and performing miraculous healings?

No. Scripture doesn't even hint at such a test. Instead, those things we are told in the New Testament to expect as signs of the Spirit indwelling the believer are things like holiness (Jn. 16:8), the fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, etc. - Ga. 5:22, 23), changed thinking (Eph. 4:23, 24), and transformed desires (Phil. 2:13).

4.) What is the “baptism of the Spirit”?

The answer to this question has become increasingly confused in recent times by the erroneous teaching of two baptisms of the Spirit: One to save a person and another to supernaturally empower them. Does the Bible teach two baptisms of the Spirit? No, it doesn't. The phrase “baptism of the Spirit” refers to one's conversion, to the moment when one is indwelt by the Holy Spirit and thus “made alive” unto God spiritually. Nowhere does the Bible teach a second baptism of the Spirit after one's conversion. In fact, the phrase “baptism of the Spirit” itself does not actually appear in the Bible. The following verses are pertinent to this matter:

Galatians 3:27
27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


The lost person is saved by being “baptized into Christ” and made a “new creature” (2 Cor. 5:17) in him. How is one “baptized into Christ”? Paul the apostle explains:

Titus 3:5
5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,


The Holy Spirit “washes, regenerates and renews” the lost person, by coming to dwell within him or her (Jn. 14:17; Ro. 8:9). Called the “Spirit of Christ” (Ro. 8:9), the Holy Spirit's presence within a person infuses them with spiritual life, the life of Christ himself, and in this sense the newly born-again person has “put on Christ,” or been “baptized” into him. It is by the Holy Spirit that the lost person, dead in trespasses and sins, is “quickened” or made alive spiritually unto God.

Ephesians 2:1
1 And you
He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

Romans 8:10-11
10 And if Christ
is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.


5.) Is there any teaching in Scripture that directs us to expect and seek after a second baptism of the Spirit in order to be specially empowered by God for the performance of supernatural acts?

No. The very first baptism of the Spirit happened at Pentecost, described in Acts 2:1-4. It was at this time that the first born-again believers came to be and the prophecy of John the Baptist was fulfilled:

Matthew 3:11
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.


The immediate result of the Spirit indwelling (baptizing) those in the upper room was evangelism. The newly-indwelt disciples began to preach the Gospel in the street, heard by those listening in their own mother tongues (not some unintelligible “spirit language” - Acts 2:7-11) Unfortunately, some have focused on the ability of the first Spirit-indwelt believers to be heard in various tongues and have made speaking in tongues a litmus test for being saved and supernaturally-empowered by God. The tongues in which these first Christians spoke, however, were manifested in order that they might share the Gospel, not prove they were saved or possessed of supernatural power.

Three times in the book of Acts, the Spirit comes upon people (Acts 2:1-4; 10:44-48; 19:1-6), baptizing them spiritually (Ro. 6:1-5) making them “new creatures in Christ.” By this overt supernatural means the Christian Church began. Only in Acts, however, do we read of the Spirit coming upon groups of people this way. What's more, there is no teaching in the New Testament by any of the apostles that a Pentecost-like event should be expected to occur commonly, or that there should be multiple baptisms into the Spirit. Perhaps what is most significant, however, is that there is no recorded instance in the New Testament of anyone being baptized into the Spirit more than once. The apostles are repeatedly filled by the Spirit but this is not the same as being baptized into the Spirit which is to be born-again spiritually.

6.) What does it mean to be “filled with the Spirit”?

When a believer is “quickened,” or made alive spiritually for the first time, the Holy Spirit takes up permanent residence (He. 13:5) inside that believer; the believer becomes a “temple” of the Spirit of God. (1 Cor. 6:19, 20) But although the Spirit lives inside the born-again believer, he may not have full control of that believer. So long as this is the case, the believer will not be able to manifest the Spirit's character, wisdom, holiness and power in full degree in his life.

Romans 8:5-6
5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those
who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded
is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Romans 8:13
13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.


The apostle Paul distinguishes between being indwelt by the Spirit and being controlled by him as the the difference between “living by” the Spirit and “walking by” him.

Galatians 5:25
25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit.


Every born-again believer “lives by the Spirit,” that is, they have spiritual life by virtue of the Spirit being within them. But not every believer is “walking by the Spirit.” They are not living in obedience to the Spirit's will and way, moment-by-moment, throughout each day; they are not resting in his transforming power, patiently trusting him to make them more and more like Christ.

Paul goes further in his letter to the Christians at Rome and explains that being under the control of (“led by”) the Spirit is a mark of being a true child of God:

Romans 8:14
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.


When a believer is controlled by the Holy Spirit, when he is spiritually-minded rather than controlled by the impulses of his flesh, the life and power of the Spirit flows without hindrance in him, filling, transforming and equipping him for service to God. This is what it means to be “filled with the Spirit.” As often as a believer steps out of the flow of the Spirit's power by disobedience and self-will, he must turn again to God, submit himself to the Spirit's control, and be filled once more. So it is that a believer may be filled by the Spirit many times throughout his life.

Blaspheming the Spirit.

In a growing section of the evangelical Christian community, the pursuit of a sensual experience of God has led to a kind of blasphemy against the Spirit. In an effort to “experience God,” many believers today are chasing after tingles, warm sensations, and electrical pulses that run over and through them. They cheer at fog (aka “glory clouds”) coming out of air vents, and gasp at gold dust and feathers falling from above. “This is the Spirit of God!” they say. But when they are pressed to explain how they know this, the answer is ultimately “I just know! And if you knew the Spirit like I do, you would, too!” Thus, without good grounds, believers assign to the Holy Spirit experiences and actions to which they cannot adequately connect him. It may well be that he is not involved at all in the things they are feeling and experiencing and so to say that he is amounts to lying about the Spirit which is tantamount to blasphemy.

The apostle James warned of the “wisdom that is not from above” (Ja. 3:15), describing it, among other things, as “sensual,” that is, oriented on what appeals to our physical senses and our emotions. We are fundamentally sensual creatures, interacting with reality in large part through our physical senses. When we are confronted with interacting with God, who is a Spirit and not accessible to our senses like the material reality in which we constantly move, we may begin to try to force an experience of Him that conforms to our natural sensuality. But when we do this, we corrupt and diminish the spiritual nature of our fellowship with God and open ourselves to demonic deception. So it is we are commanded in Scripture:

John 4:23-24
23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father
in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
24 God
is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."

In the record of Scripture, when God “showed up” He did not resort to fog, feathers and gold dust; He did not confine Himself to trivial things like giving people shivers, and tingles, and warm oozies; He did not make them laugh like maniacs, or writhe about in ecstatic prostration. No, when God manifested Himself, He empowered one man to kill a thousand with the jaw-bone of an ass, the wicked were swallowed alive by the earth, cities were destroyed by heavenly fire, seas were parted, mountain tops were clouded in thunder and lightning, and the dead were raised to life! How is it, then, that the expectations of modern believers of God have grown so small? How is it that so many have settled for a momentary shiver instead of fire from heaven? How is that believers enthuse over gold dust from air vents instead of the conviction of the Holy Spirit driving them to their knees in deep and full confession of, and repentance from, their sins? How is it that when a person claims God is manifesting Himself in these trivial ways, so many are eager to believe it without skepticism? This is where a sensual pursuit of God leads people: Grasping for anything that might provide a sensual experience of God, however silly and trite.

Matthew 12:38-39
38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, "Teacher, we want to see a sign from You."
39 But He (Jesus) answered and said to them, "
An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.



Satan is the Great Counterfeiter. At every turn he is looking to deceive believers with false facsimiles of God's truth, presence and power. He comes to us as an angel of light (2 Cor. 11:14), offering us half or twisted truths, and/or outright lies made to look like “good sense.” If we aren't “sober and vigilant,” as Scripture warns us to be (1 Pe. 5:8), we will soon fall prey to his deceptions. So, it is that we must have more than “I just know!” as a basis for our claims that the Spirit is at work. If we say, “These shivers are the Holy Spirit!” we must be able to prove it; if we say, “This healing is by the Spirit's will and power!” we must be able to show that it really is; if we say, “This vision is from the Spirit!” we had better be able to fully justify our claim. When believers get in the habit of making unfounded, unproved and unprovable claims about the work of the Spirit, they run the very great risk of falling under false beliefs and the destructive manipulations of the devil.

We would not accept “I just know” from an atheist or Hindu making a case for their beliefs; we would scoff at the man who said, “Zeus exists because I just know He does!” We ought to show the same skepticism toward any believer who makes a claim about the Holy Spirit that cannot be properly justified from Scripture and proved to be true by standard rules of evidence. If someone claims the Holy Spirit gave sight to a blind person, produce the once-blind person for examination and verification of the claim; if someone claims to have healed a person's bad back, let them show there really was a genuine back problem to begin with and that true healing of it has actually occurred; if a person claims the Spirit raised someone from the dead, such an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence in its support. If believers don't insist on solid justification for claims made concerning the Holy Spirit, they will soon become guilty of blaspheming him.
Hi I've been continuing to study the Gospels and Scripture since then and I understand now that I was far off and wrong in OP. Proverbs 3:5-6 speaks out to me regarding this thread. I hope to continue my understanding. I feel like there's many good responses here so I want to leave up the thread, but I understand if it should be deleted. May God bless you.
 
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